Forum Topic: need help/tips making a song

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d-yeahweah

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Posted at: 7/20/06 07:51 AM

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hello i would like some tips for making a good song,i know the basic stuff about making a song,
im using fl studio 6.0.8 xxl version

all help is welcome

d-yeahweah


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Posted at: 7/20/06 07:58 AM

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maybe you sould use fruity loops that program is also good


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ye i know fl studio is frooty loops. but thx 4 writing


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heartbeatz, first post and you already made yourself look like a noob.

fl studio is Fruity Loops

As far as songwriting goes, how much do you know already? Do you know chord progressions, orchestration, etc.? What instruments do you play, if any? We need a starting point.

One of the most basic chord progressions is the I IV V IV progression. For example, if you were in the key of G, You'll have a measure of G, a measure of C, a measure of D, a measure of C, and repeat. That'll give you a solid four-bar phrase on which most of the rock today is based. To not make crappy music, i'd recommend either getting really good lyrics or go with no lyrics at all. And lastly, try not to suck. : )


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d-yeahweah

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Posted at: 7/20/06 08:19 AM

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lol sure i know about chords and know about vst and plugins and effects and more
but thx for explaining that 2 me, i actualy meant the pro stuff


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d-yeahweah

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oh yeah almost forgot to thank you for the help, ill try that chord, when my song is done i will let u know

d-yeahweah


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XGM-Zeth

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At 7/20/06 08:34 AM, d-yeahweah wrote: oh yeah almost forgot to thank you for the help, ill try that chord, when my song is done i will let u know

d-yeahweah

Use everything you know---do it better than you used to.
(I amuse myself).

....or not.


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d-yeahweah

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lol off course ill use evrything i use, beat isnt really hard but im having troubles with melodies, i use vst like vanguard and z3ta,

also ty for your review


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XGM-Zeth

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At 7/20/06 09:47 AM, d-yeahweah wrote: also ty for your review

Eh?
Review? You have no songs submitted.


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d-yeahweah

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lol sorry i mean reply ;p haha lol i was preparing myself for when i have submitted my song :P


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Posted at: 7/20/06 10:08 AM

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At 7/20/06 09:58 AM, d-yeahweah wrote: lol sorry i mean reply ;p haha lol i was preparing myself for when i have submitted my song :P

Though it really didn't help too much, now did he?
Ok, for starters.
Most professional's go either for "very advanced and progressive" or "very catchy".
This is one of the things you should choose.
Melodies, as you know chords.
I also believe you know that your melodies should be reflected in your chord-choice.
It doesn't have to be, but if you're going for a "C minor" (example), You might want your melody at that moment to either have C, D# or G.

If you don't, this will result in dissonance.
Dissonance can be very neat in some situations, but as you're using Z3ta+, I do believe you're making trance/techno.
In candytrance, as it's so well formulated, there's very little of dissonance, as it tend's to kill a bit of the harmonic side.
The key to successful trance is really simplistic but catchy.
See B0unc3 for example, I checked him out after the "overrated artist" thread.
And he doesn't have something very technically advanced, but his stuff is great non-the-less, because of his songs have these "catchy" themes.

Another thing about trance, is that you might don't wanna go to the whole level of "Kick every one and third hit, bass every second and fourth."
That's just overused and really annoying.

If you can formulate your question a bit better, as in, what do you want help with.
I'm more than happy to respond and aid you in the future.
(feel free to differ here, as I'm no trance artist, I will stand corrected)


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d-yeahweah

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Posted at: 7/20/06 10:29 AM

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ah ty 4 the usefull reply,

ill try making a good melodie, i gues i know wath u mean with the c thing,
i will make trance and techno but id like to make dnb cuz i like that even more than trance.

idd like it if u would help me more on the forums
(or just add my msn if u like cuz it talks easier d-yeahweah@hotmail.com )


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Dj-Fanta5t1c

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At 7/20/06 07:58 AM, Heartbeatz wrote: maybe you sould use fruity loops that program is also good

LOL HAHAHAHAHAH NOOB


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Love-Hate-War

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lol, that wasn't constructive, would you like it if people laughed at you? We were all noobs once...lol


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At 7/20/06 01:15 PM, Love_Hate_War wrote: lol, that wasn't constructive, would you like it if people laughed at you? We were all noobs once...lol

agreed... but people laughjed at me =P


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First Get an Idea of what kind of song you want it to be.

Then think about what would give you the right sound.

find a good layout for your song and maybe a good intro or outro.

Find an Inspiration.


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d-yeahweah

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Posted at: 7/21/06 02:25 AM

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lol inspiration is always good,


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WinTang

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At 7/20/06 10:08 AM, _Arbiter_ wrote: if you're going for a "C minor" (example), You might want your melody at that moment to either have C, D# or G.

Blasphemy!!

C minor has Eb, not D#.

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Love-Hate-War

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At 7/20/06 07:51 AM, d-yeahweah wrote:
im using fl studio 6.0.8 xxl version

...Im pretty sure he didn't buy that, lol


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Love-Hate-War

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And even though the key sig for C minor has an Eb written in it, Eb is still nonetheless excatly the same note as D#


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WinTang

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At 7/21/06 10:39 AM, Love_Hate_War wrote: And even though the key sig for C minor has an Eb written in it, Eb is still nonetheless excatly the same note as D#

No dude, sorry, but it's not. A lowered E has a totally different harmonical value than I highered (?) D. A note is not just a note, it's part of a coherent whole, in which flats and sharps definitely have different functions. Besides, they're the same frequency on the piano, but not on a violin or a trumpet.


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Love-Hate-War

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Arghhh *is beaten to death by over-powerful musical knowledge*

Sorry, i am but a simple guitarist/pianist, which on both instruments a D# is the same is an Eb *hangs head in shame*


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WinTang

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Posted at: 7/21/06 11:59 AM

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YESSS

REPENT!!


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Love-Hate-War

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Haha, you may have won this time...but i'll be waiting for you to slip up one day..you'll see, YOU'LL ALL SEE MWHAHAHAHAHAHA

Ok...im done now :P


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MackerelSalad

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just listen to some of my new tunes, enough inspiration :-]
no, seriously, i've worked with FL for a year exactly now
just review it, and maybe i will respond to yer questions, da?

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Haha, self promotion in the advertisments section mate! I saw that shameless plug!


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WinTang

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And a wise man (-Steve- IIRC) once said that self-downloading kills puppies.


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MackerelSalad

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ahh come on! haha, "love_hate_war", i seriously love your works! 5R's everywhere dude:P
but ehh, it was just, ehm a little inspiration for him, and a nice little ad for me:)

peace, and good luck to your work... i'll be sure to check it when ur finished ; )

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d-yeahweah

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Posted at: 7/21/06 05:33 PM

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omg no i dont get it anymore, a b c d? lol ill try something with that chord thingy


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Love-Hate-War

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Haha thanks Jay3, i checked yours out, im seriously loving "Jungle Psychue", 5's all round me think :D nice production there!


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