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If anyone would have me, I could move to America and start my own Christian cult that allows same-sex-marriage. Marriages on mondays and thursdays, sundays only by appointment.

At 7/19/06 09:17 PM, C-Damage wrote: Marriage is not a "christian ceremony", and the christian bible says nothing about homosexuals.

Probably not, one could interpret the passages which condemn man-on-man sex as the perversion of heterosexuals. People back then didn't know anything about homosexuality compared to what we know now, so how could they write about it? Plus: have you read the first book of Samuel (OT)? The relationship between David and Jonathan might actually be a record of homosexuality.

The thing with marriage is that it had correlated with the government, that religion has lost the monopoly on it and that marriage really isn't such a big deal anymore (read: divorce isn't such a big deal anymore). Because of the last two there should be no secular reason to keep gay marriage out. The religious reasons, whichever those people may come up with; are not important because marriage is provided by the government - and in a secular country, that means it can't discriminate on religious reasons. End of debate.

Besides, what harm is it to have to guys marry each other in the first place? It doesn't open the doors for bestiality marriages, or paedophilia marriages; as the religious right wishes you to believe; because it still takes consent from both sides. In the range of the degrading of discrimination, homosexuality is next: after rights for women, rights for slaves, rights for blacks (and other colours). If not now, then it'll come with a new generation, after the old backward generation is finally dead. *spits in the face of an elderly person*

Well, while i disagree with what you say, Im glad you agree that the government should stay the fuck out of religion and marriage

At 7/19/06 08:26 PM, Cuppa-LettuceNog wrote: Gay people should not be allowed to marry, for one simple reason: Marriage is a Christian Ceremony

This is where I stopped reading. How can marriage be a christian ceremony when marriages existed LONG before Christianity?

The problem with gay marriage is a mix of religious propaganda and psychological tendencies. Homosexuality is, let's admit it, not the "default" for living things. So, since the beginning, religions, especially the R.C.C., have opposed it, calling it unnatural or unholy. Now, in a country with a huge Christian majority, and natural aversion against homosexuality, one could understand how our Christian officials -because yes, america still votes Christian 97% of the time- vote against gay marriages.

The problem is religion, the bible states that gay and lesbian acts are punishable acts, but has god come down and killed anyone for commiting said acts? No. Has he enforced anything in the bible? No.

The bible is a lie created by the Romans as a desperate attempt to keep the empire together. It failed. Move on.

There is nothing wrong with gayness if you want to be gay i really dont give a damn.

There is nothing wrong with lesbians, and the only reason they're not a problem is that you jack off to them.

-Lord High admiral of The Terran Fleet Sara O'Connel
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At 11/28/08 05:42 PM, UTFPImperialWorks wrote: The problem is religion, the bible states that gay and lesbian acts are punishable acts, but has god come down and killed anyone for commiting said acts? No. Has he enforced anything in the bible? No.

The bible is a lie created by the Romans as a desperate attempt to keep the empire together. It failed. Move on.

Arguments against religion =/= arguments for gay marriage.

Try again.

At 11/28/08 05:56 PM, dySWN wrote: Arguments against religion =/= arguments for gay marriage.

Try again.

And give one secualar non-religious reason for banning gay marriage.

At 11/28/08 05:42 PM, UTFPImperialWorks wrote: The problem is religion, the bible states that gay and lesbian acts are punishable acts, but has god come down and killed anyone for commiting said acts? No. Has he enforced anything in the bible? No.

The bible is a lie created by the Romans as a desperate attempt to keep the empire together. It failed. Move on.

There is nothing wrong with gayness if you want to be gay i really dont give a damn.

There is nothing wrong with lesbians, and the only reason they're not a problem is that you jack off to them.

-Lord High admiral of The Terran Fleet Sara O'Connel
^- EPIC TITLE

LOL personally I think the bible was created by jews who wanted to DESTROY the empire because the romans attacked the jews. Seems like a fair trade of revenge to be honest.

At 11/28/08 07:11 PM, aninjaman wrote:

At 11/28/08 05:56 PM, dySWN wrote: Arguments against religion =/= arguments for gay marriage.

Try again.

And give one secualar non-religious reason for banning gay marriage.

I was pointing out that the argument was fallacious, not that I care very strongly one way or the other.

At 11/28/08 10:05 PM, dySWN wrote:

At 11/28/08 07:11 PM, aninjaman wrote:

At 11/28/08 05:56 PM, dySWN wrote: Arguments against religion =/= arguments for gay marriage.

Try again.

And give one secualar non-religious reason for banning gay marriage.

I was pointing out that the argument was fallacious, not that I care very strongly one way or the other.

I was pointing out that the arguement was fine because people against gay marriage tend to be very religious.

Heh, i really dont care at all, i just like laughing at the stupid people who do :3

At 7/19/06 08:26 PM, Cuppa-LettuceNog wrote: Gay people should not be allowed to marry, for one simple reason: Marriage is a Christian Ceremony, and the Christian bible specifically say's homosexuality is wrong.

Uh oh! Referring to that fateful passage of Ezekiel? According to that same passage the sexually perverse should not be allowed to marry, yet urophaginists do it all the time.

Or are you referring to Leviticus, the same book which is a champion for genocide, war, destruction and all the things Jesus stood against?

No, do like most Christians and understand those who interpret "God", and prophecise His will, evolve with the society, from Ezekiel's self righteousness, yet good will, to "Jesus" the ultimate prophet, a believer in equality and ahisma. What would he say about gay marriage? As an apparently unmarried 30 year old travelling with twelve men throughout Eurasia, I honestly think he would not see sexuality as an issue at all. He seems like he would be able tolook past sexuality, and so try to interpret "God" by the most recent of the "prophets".

Atheists for Jesus!

At 11/27/08 10:09 PM, crazy-eye2 wrote: Some stuff some stuff some stuff some stuff. Now you may say that behavior has no direct connection with genetics. Quite the contrary. Enter Behavioral Genetics. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_
genetics

Hey straw man. Nice hat.

At 11/29/08 04:15 PM, aninjaman wrote:

At 11/28/08 10:05 PM, dySWN wrote:

At 11/28/08 07:11 PM, aninjaman wrote:

At 11/28/08 05:56 PM, dySWN wrote: Arguments against religion =/= arguments for gay marriage.

Try again.

And give one secualar non-religious reason for banning gay marriage.

I was pointing out that the argument was fallacious, not that I care very strongly one way or the other.

I was pointing out that the arguement was fine because people against gay marriage tend to be very religious.

And what about those of us who oppose gay marriage on purely secular grounds? There are some of those, and in those cases your argument carries no water.

At 11/29/08 05:51 PM, dySWN wrote: And what about those of us who oppose gay marriage on purely secular grounds? There are some of those, and in those cases your argument carries no water.

Well then give me a secular reason to oppose gay marriage.

At 11/29/08 05:55 PM, aninjaman wrote:

At 11/29/08 05:51 PM, dySWN wrote: And what about those of us who oppose gay marriage on purely secular grounds? There are some of those, and in those cases your argument carries no water.

Well then give me a secular reason to oppose gay marriage.

I just said that I was pointing out a flaw, not expressing any strong opinion one way or the other.

If you really must know, I am all for civil unions with equal protections under the law. I don't like the term "marriage" in that context, but that's merely because this way the gays get their rights and religious people aren't as angry.

At 12/28/07 02:26 AM, mash4077th wrote: THERE OVER--POPLATION IS BAD BUT IF THEE IS A WHOLE GENRATION AF HOMOSEXUAL WITH NO STRAIGHT PPL WE WILL SOON BEGUN UNDER POULATED TO WEE FORGET howwwwwww TO REPODUCE now !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yeah, like thatll happen. Gay sex can be transferred to heterosexual sex and have reproductive effects. Dogs are allowed to fuck each other and we still got plenty of them.

I don't mind gays, and I support them in their quest to get married. No gay person bothers me one bit, as long as I don't think that they may have a crush on me... no bad feelings will come to them.

Hey I just thought of this. In a world that is undergoing a population rise that could doom us ALL. Why are we not encouraging the notion of inventing a new homosexual family unit that would redistribute population instead of adding to it?

At 12/9/08 05:38 PM, Yamor wrote: No gay person bothers me one bit, as long as I don't think that they may have a crush on me... no bad feelings will come to them.

You know, have you ever wondered if any girls have bad feelings towards you because they think you have a crush on them? What an idiotic way of thinking. There's no need for bad feelings, just tell them you're not gay. Simple as that.

The arguments against gay marriage that I often hear are usually based around these.

Tradition: Saying this has been how marriage has always been and always will be and changing it for any reason is blasphemy and/or wrong.

My counter view is this, on tradition.
If you look back, marriage has changed many times. It used to be that marriage was about gaining land, not love. You would marry so that you may have children that would work on the land with you. Royalty marriage wasn't about love at all ether.

Even having multiple wives way back when, it was normal.

In America, not too long ago, inter racial marriage was considered wrong.

This makes the whole aspect of tradition a matter that can change, that it isn't solid as some would say.

Another point they bring up is that they say gays choose to be gay.
Let me ask you this...did you choose to be straight? When did you? If being gay is a choice, then you could be gay easily.

I know I didn't choose to be straight. I just am. I couldn't be gay even if I tried. So if I can't just choose myself to be gay, then I don't see how gays have chosen to be gay.
As well, with the amount of people that are gay, and are being tormented for it, if being gay was a choice, wouldn't many of them then choose to be straight?
I know of some that have tried but they just couldn't.

If you say that being gay is a choice, how do you know that? What makes you say it is a choice? If you can be gay for a year, actual gay. Meaning have no interests in the opposite sex at all in the heterosexual terms, then maybe being gay could be a choice. But I am sure that if you tried, and were honestly trying, I believe you will find that being gay isn't a choice.

I think the real reason so many are against gay marriage, is that they feel threatened by it. Like if gay marriage is allowed, they will have to marry the same sex or that heterosexual marriage would be seen as weird. The truth is, no one is telling you who or how to marry. This is matter of a people trying to have the same privileges and rights as anyone else. This is no different then people of other races trying to have the same rights to marry other races if they choose to.

I don't mind if you are against gay marriage, just as long as you keep it as an opinion on the matter. I do mind if you try to make it a law.

I dont support Gay Marriage, but I dont run around going "OMFGWTFBBBQ BURN IN HELLLLLLL" to every gay couple in America.

What you do in the bedroom is your own buisness. If you like Sheep, thats A-O-K. But dont go marching and waving flags in a Beastiality Pride Parade. Same way with gay people; if you like people of your own gender, thats A-O-K, but I dont want you marching down my street trying to force me to accept your ways, in leather, and flamboyant outfits that make you look like a Las Vegas Stage Dancer, kthnx.

At 12/10/08 12:37 PM, Xavierthewarlord wrote: I dont support Gay Marriage, but I dont run around going "OMFGWTFBBBQ BURN IN HELLLLLLL" to every gay couple in America.

What you do in the bedroom is your own buisness. If you like Sheep, thats A-O-K. But dont go marching and waving flags in a Beastiality Pride Parade. Same way with gay people; if you like people of your own gender, thats A-O-K, but I dont want you marching down my street trying to force me to accept your ways, in leather, and flamboyant outfits that make you look like a Las Vegas Stage Dancer, kthnx.

It's a fucking parade for a reason.
Geezus... how boring a parade would be if you just business atire. Don't like parades, don't go.

this is more than sex. You don't need to marry to have sex.
But many gay people have families but they don't have the legal protections that the law provides to other families.

Looking solely on the sexual level is just plain ignorant when there's a larger picture to the whole situation. Gay people have lost everything because their wills were contested... solely because they were gay. Some places still deny hospital visitation, and gaurdian rights.

It's long over due to give them these rights.

At 12/10/08 04:38 PM, fli wrote:

At 12/10/08 12:37 PM, Xavierthewarlord wrote: I dont support Gay Marriage, but I dont run around going "OMFGWTFBBBQ BURN IN HELLLLLLL" to every gay couple in America.

What you do in the bedroom is your own buisness. If you like Sheep, thats A-O-K. But dont go marching and waving flags in a Beastiality Pride Parade. Same way with gay people; if you like people of your own gender, thats A-O-K, but I dont want you marching down my street trying to force me to accept your ways, in leather, and flamboyant outfits that make you look like a Las Vegas Stage Dancer, kthnx.

It's a fucking parade for a reason.
Geezus... how boring a parade would be if you just business atire. Don't like parades, don't go.

I'm saying that they dont need these parades.

I guarentee you if I went around in a "WHITE PRIDE PARADE", I would get labled as a member of the KKK.

And if I was in a "STRAIGHT PRIDE PARADE", I'd get laughed at.

I'm asking what the point of a Gay Pride Parade is. So your different, woopy. They want to be treated the same, yet they get a PARADE?

I want a parade.

I'm asking what the point of a Gay Pride Parade is. So your different, woopy. They want to be treated the same, yet they get a PARADE?
I want a parade.

There are gays that parade and gays that do not. It is the way things are, some gays wish to emphasize their differences. Yet other gays emphasize that they are not different, that they are just the same as any other form of partnership. But the thing is, it is always the loudest part that attracts the most public interest. And that, my friend, is also the sole purpose of a gay parade.

Gays shouldn't even be allowed to be allowed to have any form of relationships.

I believe gays should be treated as criminals.

At 12/10/08 05:51 PM, redzone wrote: Gays shouldn't even be allowed to be allowed to have any form of relationships.

I believe gays should be treated as criminals.

And do you have any reasoning behind this? Or have you just been hanging with a bunch of rednecks and your grandpa lately.

At 12/10/08 05:02 PM, Xavierthewarlord wrote: I'm saying that they dont need these parades.

I guarentee you if I went around in a "WHITE PRIDE PARADE", I would get labled as a member of the KKK.

And if I was in a "STRAIGHT PRIDE PARADE", I'd get laughed at.

I'm asking what the point of a Gay Pride Parade is. So your different, woopy. They want to be treated the same, yet they get a PARADE?

They have a parade because people like you that don't support gay marriage are taking their rights and after years of discrimination a gay pride parade is saying "You want stop us we are here and there is nothing you can do."
Whites and straight people do not have parades because they have not been discriminated against.

I want a parade.

Is this what you not supporting gay marriage is all about?
You don't hate gays you just want to be in a parade.
Isnt that cute.

At 12/10/08 08:41 PM, aninjaman wrote: Whites and straight people do not have parades because they have not been discriminated against.

Ever watched BET or Bravo?