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At 9/9/07 05:52 AM, Ursine wrote: So what you are basically trying to say is that the government should not interfere in a church's decision on whether or not said church decides not to perform homosexual marriages because that would go against what the first amendment dictates in the first place?

You do realize that marriage is not a purely Christian exercise in this country, right? Two people can be legally married secularly by a judge. At least, straight people can. So, if legalization would allow gays to have secular marriage ceremonies, then it has nothing to do with the Church or religion at all. So basically, the Church's opinion is completely invalid in this debate, and by not allowing gays to be secularly married, the government is denying them a right that they, as American citizens, deserve, which is super-un-Constitutional.

If a church wants to bar gays from being married, then fine, nobody can really stop them, but the government doesn't have the right to.

At 9/9/07 05:52 AM, Ursine wrote: So what you are basically trying to say is that the government should not interfere in a church's decision on whether or not said church decides not to perform homosexual marriages because that would go against what the first amendment dictates in the first place?

No, what i said was the government shouldn't be aloud to to prohibit gay marriage.

im sure that some one has already said but im not reading 36 pages of foruming but marriage is not Christian it is a contract and who the fuck are you to say who can love who.

where in the bible is it written that being gay is wrong? I've read the bible and never found anything that says homosexuality is ultimately wrong.

At 9/13/07 04:33 PM, Kilgayne wrote: where in the bible is it written that being gay is wrong? I've read the bible and never found anything that says homosexuality is ultimately wrong.

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Stupid overflow.

Read the fucking first post in this page. Or just google "Bible homosexuality". Or just read the actualy Bible, instead of lying about it. It directly says that a man who lies with another man should be put to death.

I honestly don't believe in gay marriage, for religon reasons yes, but also for the fact its all out creepy! I mean what if two men or two women get married and adopt a son/daughter? He/she would be mocked and everything and all the parents of the other children would tell their kids to stay away and everything!!!

At 9/13/07 04:59 PM, smc316 wrote: I honestly don't believe in gay marriage, for religon reasons yes, but also for the fact its all out creepy!

so just because you think it is wrong, makes it wrong

:I mean what if two men or two women get married and adopt a son/daughter? He/she would be mocked and everything and all the parents of the other children would tell their kids to stay away and everything!!!

Well those people includeing you, need to pull their heads out of their prejudice asses.

At 9/13/07 06:48 PM, LordJaric wrote: Well those people includeing you, need to pull their heads out of their prejudice asses.

Well I don't hate gays, as long as they don't come onto me I can deal with having gay marriage being allowed but what i'm worried about is another thing like with the blacks being prejuced for likee 40 years(??? I don't know my dates well and am too lazy too look up) I know someone akin to Dr. Martin luthor king will eventually come along but before that would be a long period of abuse for the gays....

At 9/13/07 07:15 PM, smc316 wrote:

:: Well I don't hate gays, as long as they don't come onto me I can deal with having gay marriage being allowed but what i'm worried about is another thing like with the blacks being prejuced for likee 40 years(??? I don't know my dates well and am too lazy too look up) I know someone akin to Dr. Martin luthor king will eventually come along but before that would be a long period of abuse for the gays....

There shouldn't need to be someone like King, this country is based on freedom, but no their is still prejudice running through enough peoples vains that they will not allow these people to have their rights that should be rightfully thiers.

well I think if we non gays have to suffer marriage then gays should also feel the pain with us.

At 12/27/07 11:58 PM, DraGoN-RaGe-9001 wrote: well I think if we non gays have to suffer marriage then gays should also feel the pain with us.

Lol, they'll beg for gay marriage rights to be revoked.

At 9/13/07 04:33 PM, Kilgayne wrote: where in the bible is it written that being gay is wrong? I've read the bible and never found anything that says homosexuality is ultimately wrong.

Have a digital computer do the searching for you. Everywhere homosexuality is mentioned someone condemns it.

For starters and future reference, Jesus forgave sins, not excuse them.

Homosexuality is not only wrong in the religious sense, but logically too. If you are attracted to the wrong sex (as in the opposite sex), by Darwinist ideals there is something wrong with you, wrong enough to prevent you from reproducing, as in that sense is life's purpose. "Gay marraige" is a parody of marraige. Telling people that this is right is showing down the traditional and much more effective structure will only bring havoc upon society itself. It is not the same thing. Besides, 36 states already ratified DOMA (Defense of Marraige Act).

me being religous(SRAIGHT) and a scientist
it is UNNATURAL for gays to have intercourse
im not fond of gay marigde but when it reachs sexual level the relationship to me is offically UNNATURAL
as in the primitive human bioligy it is simple to say man + woman = babys + egosystem = survival
but gay(inculding lesbians) + gay = NOTHING + egosystem = on large scale humans die out/ EXTINTION
so what i say is do NOT FORNICATE(for dim people sex) WITH OTHERS OF THE SAME SEX(for idiots gender)
now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At 12/28/07 12:56 AM, mash4077th wrote: me being religous(SRAIGHT) and a scientist
it is UNNATURAL for gays to have intercourse
im not fond of gay marigde but when it reachs sexual level the relationship to me is offically UNNATURAL
as in the primitive human bioligy it is simple to say man + woman = babys + egosystem = survival
but gay(inculding lesbians) + gay = NOTHING + egosystem = on large scale humans die out/ EXTINTION
so what i say is do NOT FORNICATE(for dim people sex) WITH OTHERS OF THE SAME SEX(for idiots gender)
now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That seems a bit volatile. I think you could have just said it doesn't work and your not supposed to. You do you have somthing wrong with you.

At 12/28/07 12:58 AM, crazy-eye2 wrote:

At 12/28/07 12:56 AM, mash4077th wrote: me being religous(SRAIGHT) and a scientist
it is UNNATURAL for gays to have intercourse
im not fond of gay marigde but when it reachs sexual level the relationship to me is offically UNNATURAL
as in the primitive human bioligy it is simple to say man + woman = babys + egosystem = survival
but gay(inculding lesbians) + gay = NOTHING + egosystem = on large scale humans die out/ EXTINTION
so what i say is do NOT FORNICATE(for dim people sex) WITH OTHERS OF THE SAME SEX(for idiots gender)
now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That seems a bit volatile. I think you could have just said it doesn't work and your not supposed to. You do you have somthing wrong with you.

wat do u mean do i have somthing wrong with me

the reason for all of that information is to prove the point not yip and yap bullshit about nothing

At 12/28/07 12:56 AM, mash4077th wrote: me being religous(SRAIGHT)

Wow, I bet your WHOLE post will totally not be biased or anything.

it is UNNATURAL for gays to have intercourse

Homosexually naturally occurs, it may be an abnormality, yes, put it is too prevalent to oppress the ones affected.

im not fond of gay marigde but when it reachs sexual level the relationship to me is offically UNNATURAL

Why the fuck do you care if people want to fuck each other. IT'S NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS. LEAVE YOUR BULLSHIT RELIGIOUS IDEALS OUT OF POLITICAL DEBATES.

as in the primitive human bioligy it is simple to say man + woman = babys + egosystem = survival
but gay(inculding lesbians) + gay = NOTHING + egosystem = on large scale humans die out/ EXTINTION

The world is well on it's way to overpopulation. A few less babies being born will, if anything, help the world, not harm it.

so what i say is do NOT FORNICATE(for dim people sex) WITH OTHERS OF THE SAME SEX(for idiots gender)

WHY THE FUCK SHOULDN'T THEY YOU IGNORANT HOMOPHOBE.

At 12/28/07 01:20 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

At 12/28/07 12:56 AM, mash4077th wrote: me being religous(SRAIGHT)

Wow, I bet your WHOLE post will totally not be biased or anything.

it is UNNATURAL for gays to have intercourse

Homosexually naturally occurs, it may be an abnormality, yes, put it is too prevalent to oppress the ones affected.

im not fond of gay marigde but when it reachs sexual level the relationship to me is offically UNNATURAL

Why the fuck do you care if people want to fuck each other. IT'S NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS. LEAVE YOUR BULLSHIT RELIGIOUS IDEALS OUT OF POLITICAL DEBATES.

as in the primitive human bioligy it is simple to say man + woman = babys + egosystem = survival
but gay(inculding lesbians) + gay = NOTHING + egosystem = on large scale humans die out/ EXTINTION

The world is well on it's way to overpopulation. A few less babies being born will, if anything, help the world, not harm it.

so what i say is do NOT FORNICATE(for dim people sex) WITH OTHERS OF THE SAME SEX(for idiots gender)

WHY THE FUCK SHOULDN'T THEY YOU IGNORANT HOMOPHOBE.

THERE OVER--POPLATION IS BAD BUT IF THEE IS A WHOLE GENRATION AF HOMOSEXUAL WITH NO STRAIGHT PPL WE WILL SOON BEGUN UNDER POULATED TO WEE FORGET howwwwwww TO REPODUCE now !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!

At 12/28/07 02:26 AM, mash4077th wrote:

THERE OVER--POPLATION IS BAD BUT IF THEE IS A WHOLE GENRATION AF HOMOSEXUAL WITH NO STRAIGHT PPL WE WILL SOON BEGUN UNDER POULATED TO WEE FORGET howwwwwww TO REPODUCE now !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*IF*
Keyword there, buddy.

At 12/28/07 02:45 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

At 12/28/07 02:26 AM, mash4077th wrote:

THERE OVER--POPLATION IS BAD BUT IF THEE IS A WHOLE GENRATION AF HOMOSEXUAL WITH NO STRAIGHT PPL WE WILL SOON BEGUN UNDER POULATED TO WEE FORGET howwwwwww TO REPODUCE now !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*IF*
Keyword there, buddy.

JUST GIVE UP ive been here five hoursarguing u cant beat what im saying MatE
basiclly in ur case i would say look at nature ull see the point also u have a pm saying te same thing

Yup--
Homosexuality = doomned world.

and YES PEOPLE... no use arguing...
People may be dumb enough to forget how to have heterosexual sex if they readily turn to sodomy. Never heard the expression... Use it or Lose it?

A-dur...

At 12/28/07 12:50 AM, crazy-eye2 wrote: For starters and future reference, Jesus forgave sins, not excuse them.

Homosexuality is not only wrong in the religious sense, but logically too. If you are attracted to the wrong sex (as in the opposite sex), by Darwinist ideals there is something wrong with you, wrong enough to prevent you from reproducing, as in that sense is life's purpose. "Gay marraige" is a parody of marraige. Telling people that this is right is showing down the traditional and much more effective structure will only bring havoc upon society itself. It is not the same thing. Besides, 36 states already ratified DOMA (Defense of Marraige Act).

Nonono, you've gotten this all wrong. The evolution isn't just between individuals, it's also between families, tribes, and all other such groupings. It has been shown in for example dolphins that the naturally occuring homosexuality may be an evolutionary advantage, lowering competition and aggression between the males and leaving some dolphins to take care of "orphans". A group with a certain amount of homosexuality would have a higher chance of survival, and thereby reproducing, than a group with no homosexuals.

And tradition means bull in this discussion. Marriage has been around for thousands of years, and has been both heterosexual and homosexual in nature.

At 12/28/07 02:26 AM, mash4077th wrote: THERE OVER--POPLATION IS BAD BUT IF THEE IS A WHOLE GENRATION AF HOMOSEXUAL WITH NO STRAIGHT PPL WE WILL SOON BEGUN UNDER POULATED TO WEE FORGET howwwwwww TO REPODUCE now !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!

If you got a meteor in your head you could stop all that nonsense.
About the unnatural part, except for it being ridiculous seeing that homosexuality has been observed in over 500 species, see my post above for the evolutionary benefits that may be the cause of a certain rate of homosexuality.

And guess what? There has been cases where homosexuals have gotten children together with one of the opposite sex. Even married them for the sake of children.

Whether you like the idea or not, you would be completely ignorant to say they can't get married.

If the gays wan't to be bored all day, have their lives stripped from them, be around the same person every day and deal with their in-laws for the rest of their lives....

So be it

At 12/28/07 02:49 AM, mash4077th wrote: JUST GIVE UP ive been here five hoursarguing u cant beat what im saying MatE

I have continually "beaten" your points, it's just you are so blinded by your delusional faith to see it.

basiclly in ur case i would say look at nature ull see the point

Oh okay let's look at nature. We've observed homosexual tenancies in a wide variety of organisms, especially in our closest genetic species, primates.
I think it is you who needs to look at nature, asshole.

At 12/28/07 11:38 PM, LordJaric wrote: Whether you like the idea or not, you would be completely ignorant to say they can't get married.

I really don't get the argument, and I'm sure reading this thread wouldn't clarify anything.

Like, it can't be such a weak argument as 'keeping the word 'marriage' sacred'. There has to be some latent dislike of homosexuality. Which ruins the argument.

You are out of your mind! According to the constitution, marraige is entitled to all people ,homosexual men and women have that right as much as you and I. So according to your logic, they aren't people? Just "things" that have as much a heart, soul, and mind as you and I? People like you will bring about the end of our world over the belief that they don't have the same rights us! I also hope we can get people to Mars or any other planet. Why am I posting this? Because then we can send you monsters away to your little simple-minded world a man can't marry another man that he loves!

Someone tell me if I'm wrong, but marriage isn't a Christian ceremony. Think about how many other countries in the world, with different religions, that practice marriage. Hinduism, Islamic, Judaism, Arabic, etc. The practice of marriage was practiced way before Christianity, and is actually performed secularly. If, marriage was a Christian belief, and Satanists, people who are actually against Christ, can marry, then homosexuals should be able to (not saying that Satanists shouldn't, which they can, and should be able to). Outlawing gay marriage is unconstitutional on many levels. It denies gays their right to marry, because homosexuality is thought of as a sin in Christianity, and 77% of the country is Christian, so majority rules, which contradicts our right to religious freedom. Sorry that gays are harming you in any way, shape, or form, and will continue to torture you if they get these magical rights.

Ok, there's a typo in that paragraph that makes it sound like I'm gay, which I'm not.