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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 24th, 2003 @ 01:45 AM Reply

Good with less pop-ups !!

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 24th, 2003 @ 03:12 AM Reply

If you put in a system where only a few thousand people are aloud on at any one time, this would work, ive seen it done on other sites, you should only be allowed to stay on for 30 mins till you have to join the queue again, and also have a paid service where you get in all the time (skip the queue) and get to stay in as long as you want. Until you get your new bandwith, this will work, its been proven to work on lots of sites, if its coded correctly :)

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 24th, 2003 @ 05:51 AM Reply

paying service = BAD IDEA
some people can't afford it, college students, people form other countrys, not every body has a credit card.
paying for a site is not a good idea, remember what happened with IGN.

I've thought up a couple of ideas, but every single one of them has their downsides
for example,
1) Don't let new users (lvl1, lvl2, lvl3) submit movies. Downside : Lately there are a lot of excellent movies submitted by these levels.
2) Prevent users from certain ages to submit movies (13-14-15). Downside : They just make a new account, lie about their age and submit it anyway. + there are older users who make crap too.
3) If users gets a certain amount of movies blammed, they can't upload anymore. downside, this isn't really fair, and they can improve their skills, so what if they make a good one???
4) limit the uploadsize. If they want to see their movie up, they have to send it to a special mail, and have their movies reviewed by Tom, Wade, liljim, and the other NG crew. If they notice it's crap, they have the right to turn it down, and thus sparing us from viewing it and preserving bandwith (it's not much but it's a start, and if there let's say 10 or 20 movies like this submitted a day ...) Downside : i don't really see a downside here.

Its very hard to find a fool-proof system. And i'm sure the NG crew is thinking on a working system and is taking note's from our ideas.
we'll just have too see what time brings us.

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 24th, 2003 @ 06:33 AM Reply

At 2/24/03 05:51 AM, MrPrez wrote: paying service = BAD IDEA
some people can't afford it, college students, people form other countrys, not every body has a credit card.
paying for a site is not a good idea, remember what happened with IGN.

U dont need a credit card
I make money from the internet just beeing online.
With that money I can donate it to NG

I've thought up a couple of ideas, but every single one of them has their downsides
for example,
1) Don't let new users (lvl1, lvl2, lvl3) submit movies. Downside : Lately there are a lot of excellent movies submitted by these levels.

Thats stupid

2) Prevent users from certain ages to submit movies (13-14-15). Downside : They just make a new account, lie about their age and submit it anyway. + there are older users who make crap too.

Are u some kind of Nazi Dude?? Im 15 and I make decent movies!

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 24th, 2003 @ 06:40 AM Reply

i've tried those online moneymaking thingies too, and let's ay, the profits aren't great.
and no, it's not stupid, there are some lvl1, 2 and 3's who do make decent movies, and offcourse, same goes for the age part, but you have to admit, most crap movies are being made by 13-14 years old

and don't you be calling me Nazi, boy

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 24th, 2003 @ 08:44 AM Reply

At 2/24/03 06:40 AM, MrPrez wrote: i've tried those online moneymaking thingies too, and let's ay, the profits aren't great.
and no, it's not stupid, there are some lvl1, 2 and 3's who do make decent movies, and offcourse, same goes for the age part, but you have to admit, most crap movies are being made by 13-14 years old

and don't you be calling me Nazi, boy

I have to admit than the generation of 13-15 years old makes a looooooooot of craps movie
That sux hard.
BUT, u have to give them a chance
IF REALLY THEY WANNA TO LEARN..

Online moneymaking its stupid, I know
I earn a few pennies, like 1,78 cent per hour just for doing nothing, hehehehe
:P

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 24th, 2003 @ 08:47 AM Reply

At 2/22/03 01:43 PM, Doomhammr wrote: tom, you can also encourage authors who submit large movies to do what thomas (from allergic to life and bentframe) did with his "chipmunks with attitude" movie:

host it out your own site and submit a 16k file to the portal that redirects to the movie you submitted (with a button so people know they're being redirected).

We don't like that method because NG works well as an "eternal archive", whereas individual web sites come and go. If more users did that, we would end up with a bunch of dead links a few years from now.

It is especially hard now, because if we showcase something on the frontpage, it will eat anyone's bandwidth. Tactics Core was originally hosted from the authors website - but his site was shut down after the first day on the frontpage, when it consumed 60 gigs of transfer. :)

-Tom


This is the game JohnnyUtah and I have been working on.

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 24th, 2003 @ 09:19 AM Reply

At 2/24/03 08:47 AM, TomFulp wrote: We don't like that method because NG works well as an "eternal archive", whereas individual web sites come and go. If more users did that, we would end up with a bunch of dead links a few years from now.

It is especially hard now, because if we showcase something on the frontpage, it will eat anyone's bandwidth. Tactics Core was originally hosted from the authors website - but his site was shut down after the first day on the frontpage, when it consumed 60 gigs of transfer. :)

-Tom

Holly Sh1t!! 60 Gigs of bandwith!!
Why u dont put my movies on the frontpage? They are very light ;)
heheh
Just kidding
I sux, I know, I know...
xD

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 24th, 2003 @ 10:30 AM Reply

At 2/24/03 09:19 AM, Stomped wrote: Holly Sh1t!! 60 Gigs of bandwith!!
Why u dont put my movies on the frontpage? They are very light ;)
heheh
Just kidding
I sux, I know, I know...
xD

Nah man, i've seen your movies and they are quite good.
And to clearyfy my previous posts, they were just ideas, with their downsides posted.

1.78 pennies, hmmm i know that from somewhere :)

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 24th, 2003 @ 10:57 AM Reply

At 2/24/03 10:30 AM, MrPrez wrote: Nah man, i've seen your movies and they are quite good.
And to clearyfy my previous posts, they were just ideas, with their downsides posted.

1.78 pennies, hmmm i know that from somewhere :)

Rofl! I mean 1,78 cents per hour, hehe

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 24th, 2003 @ 11:52 AM Reply

I'm not typing this again, Tom, please check your e-mail and find out what I said to you about this topic.

Oh, and hi everybody!!

Sincerly,
Christopher J.

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 24th, 2003 @ 12:07 PM Reply

At 2/24/03 05:51 AM, MrPrez wrote: paying service = BAD IDEA
some people can't afford it, college students, people form other countrys, not every body has a credit card.
paying for a site is not a good idea, remember what happened with IGN.

I've thought up a couple of ideas, but every single one of them has their downsides
for example,
1) Don't let new users (lvl1, lvl2, lvl3) submit movies. Downside : Lately there are a lot of excellent movies submitted by these levels.
2) Prevent users from certain ages to submit movies (13-14-15). Downside : They just make a new account, lie about their age and submit it anyway. + there are older users who make crap too.
3) If users gets a certain amount of movies blammed, they can't upload anymore. downside, this isn't really fair, and they can improve their skills, so what if they make a good one???
4) limit the uploadsize. If they want to see their movie up, they have to send it to a special mail, and have their movies reviewed by Tom, Wade, liljim, and the other NG crew. If they notice it's crap, they have the right to turn it down, and thus sparing us from viewing it and preserving bandwith (it's not much but it's a start, and if there let's say 10 or 20 movies like this submitted a day ...) Downside : i don't really see a downside here.

Its very hard to find a fool-proof system. And i'm sure the NG crew is thinking on a working system and is taking note's from our ideas.
we'll just have too see what time brings us.

No, very bad ideas all of them! 12-15 year olds are the majority of the movie submitters, and all of the amazing ones (almost) are by kids!! for the last thing you said...... if you did that there would be thousands less people going to the site, this website is how tom lives, he would starve! i doubt anyone on NG 'cept tom and wade can really sort any problems out (do they even have problems?)

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 24th, 2003 @ 12:37 PM Reply

Well, that's great, coz i can't d/l anything for days now and i watch only movies up to 100kbytes (and also: "come on, 100 kb movie... load... looaaaad....")
But on the other hand, this way i racked up some blam points:)

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 24th, 2003 @ 03:15 PM Reply

i know they were stupid ideas, and yes there are some good artists at the age of 15, which is also a reason that idea would not work (which i should have added)
but enough of this.
i've noticed there was a link on the frontpage where you could sign up for free things, thus helping NG.

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 24th, 2003 @ 03:55 PM Reply

With all the bandwith being taken up, it really leaves us dial up users out of the picture. The majority of movies on newgrounds nowadays are over 1mb in size. So many movies are crap, and waiting a half hour to see the movies really isnt worth a dial up users time. It takes even longer lately to load a movie, I personally find that a movie loads to about the half way mark and then stops loading and this is very annoying (if anyone knows why, please tell me). I was and still am a huge newgrounds fan, but I find myself less willing to wait for a movie to download lately. If you ask me there should be a special collection for dial up users, good movies with a size under 1mb, so we can still enjoy newgrounds. With so many people using high speed internet connections, its easy for you to forget about the rest of us, but please dont forget us people with 56k's.

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 24th, 2003 @ 04:51 PM Reply

Newgrounds is the best site ever!!!! But movies of 500kb take over 10 minutes with T1 cable which i have. Its to much for such a small file. cant wait to April. Are you making some money on Newgrounds? How?

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 24th, 2003 @ 04:57 PM Reply

At 2/24/03 03:55 PM, johnkilo wrote: If you ask me there should be a special collection for dial up users, good movies with a size under 1mb, so we can still enjoy newgrounds. With so many people using high speed internet connections, its easy for you to forget about the rest of us, but please dont forget us people with 56k's.

That's not a bad idea, I think. Why not make a collection of GOOD movies (maybe movies rated over a 3.0?) that are under, say, 1.5 mb (or 1 mb, if it's a hassle). I mean, there are lots of pages for individual collections, so why not make a big collection of good, small movies and games?

Not too long ago, before I got cable, I used to be on dialup, so johnkilo, I feel your pain. I was there not too long ago.

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 24th, 2003 @ 05:09 PM Reply

Only let users with Profiles on NG. Have a little log-in thing on the beginning site when you type in Newgrounds.com have a log-in box at the main site. Users with Profiles only and put profile I.D.'s on the Profiles. And log in with your User name. but after 5 minutes you have to put in your I.D. code so you dont get kicked off.

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 24th, 2003 @ 05:16 PM Reply

tom i personally think you should lower the flash size limits..instead of making the limit 5mb it should be 3.5 or 3mb...it would save bandwdth and it would also make the site a little faster cuz you wouldnt be using so much bandwidth...i as a poor 56k user would appreciate it so it doesnt take a fucing hour to load the flash..i believe my fellow 56k users would appreciate it too...well thanks for taking the time to read this.

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 24th, 2003 @ 05:21 PM Reply

tom i for one and probably many of my other 56k users think you should ower the flash size limit so people cant send in 4999kb files...change it to 3000 or 4000 so it would use less bandwidth cost u less money and the site would run faster...thenks for reading this.

~Trouser_Snake~

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 24th, 2003 @ 08:13 PM Reply

For some reason some of the games will not load all the way. I was wondering if this was a problem just I am experiencing or many people, and also if anyone has any suggestions on how I can fix it.

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 24th, 2003 @ 09:06 PM Reply

i noticed less ads. then before. Now i have a question for the Fulps, i was wondering if i can advertise your website for when i play paintball. all i need from you guys is a patch that has N.G on it?
i really want to help out any way i can.

i posted this a while back. i hope that you guys look this over:)

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 24th, 2003 @ 10:54 PM Reply

CAEK IS TEH GOD FOOD PLS SIR

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 25th, 2003 @ 01:28 AM Reply

I have the same problem when I try to load a movie, it never finishes loading. I know its not just my computer, it does the same thing on the other computer in the house.

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 25th, 2003 @ 06:54 PM Reply

At 2/25/03 01:28 AM, johnkilo wrote: I have the same problem when I try to load a movie, it never finishes loading. I know its not just my computer, it does the same thing on the other computer in the house.

Don't worry, I experience the same problem.

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 25th, 2003 @ 09:59 PM Reply

We are working on doubling our current bandwidth with the addition of a second 100mbps pipe.:

i cant load any movies over 1k...

what the hell?!

get the pipe!

wuddever...

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 25th, 2003 @ 10:57 PM Reply

Well, I currently browse NG on a cable modem, but I used to use a 56k, so I know how the modem users feel. I really think, though, that flash artists need the file space to make high-quality flash. I mean, look at Taisha 2 for example. The original version was 2.2MB - it received a nice score, having fluid animation, good graphics/background, and synched sound with the action. The new version, about 960k, takes a lot of fluidy out of the motion (i.e. less lines for effect, frame skipping, etc.). Anybody who has seen both versions would see what I mean. Artists who are able to make good flash should not be asked to tone down their abilities for the sake of file size.

I don't really mind waiting for a flash to load, as long as I can be sure of the quality of the flash. The thing that usually bugs me is when flash artists incorporate bad animation and insert a 3MB song file! Perhaps we can include a measure that raises the file size limit of artists who have a high batting average (create good flash). In any case, can't wait for that next line to come up in April!

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 26th, 2003 @ 01:04 PM Reply

O my god that most cost a lot still it must be cool to have so many fans come to your site.

unlike my site I never get any body coming in mine.
jotos_leader.tripod.com

STAR CRAFT RULEZ

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 26th, 2003 @ 06:17 PM Reply

i'm getting sick of these damn ads...i know you've cut down on the popups but now there's ads sometimes when you try to view a movie, and you have to click "skip this ad"...i REALLY don't like it, i'd rather have popups than that.

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 26th, 2003 @ 08:03 PM Reply

Nobody likes having to sift through ads when they're just trying to chill, but they really are a neccessary evil. Without them, Tom would get no money, and he'd have to make us pay for a subcription... now wouldn't that suck gigantic balls? I do wish he had less porn ads however; it's hard to pay attention to a serious flash movie when some ad is blaring at you to "cum on in". But I guess they're just trying to appeal to the 13-year old computer nerd demographic (which includes to significant amount of NG users).