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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 22nd, 2003 @ 12:56 PM Reply

Heres an idea: Get people to stop submitting crap movies!! Thats probably thw whole problem! If people would stop submitting all kinds of worthless crap movies, then NG wouldnt be so damn cloged up.

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 22nd, 2003 @ 01:07 PM Reply

It sounds like a good idea, but i forsee some problems with it.
Let's say i don't like your movies , for whatever reason it may be, and they are for quite some time on NG and don't have much votes (lets say, between 100 and 250) and I vote 0 and 1 on your movies every day with several accounts.
this means eventually your movie well get to a point he will reach the crital point ready to be blammed.
Before the whole monitring of the 0 and 1 voters, this was an good way to vote down animators who were in the top 50, mostly by jealous noobs.

Maybe you could make it so that when a movie does reach this point tom, wade, or some other suppervisor are alerted when the score hits what ever the mark is and then they decied whether or not to keep it.

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 22nd, 2003 @ 02:02 PM Reply

Bandwidth means how much data, how fast - the system can push out to people (and take in).
33kbps modem = bandwidth = 33kbps.
So i don't think removing crap entries that no-one watches would improve anything.
The Portal is what consumes the bandwidth, not the old forgotten entries.
Solution: sell house, buy more bandwidth.
or just make a mirror server in europe or zimbabve.
Or maybe it's all the animated signatures, I would never use one..

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 22nd, 2003 @ 02:22 PM Reply

I don't agree necessarily of removing "crappy" movies unless they are repeatedly unwatched or do not have any value to the site. Part of what makes Newgrounds unique is the ability to upload movies and be subject to the intense criticism (or praise). With only "good" movies on the site, it makes the idea of voting and feedback seem pointless. I do think however, that getting rid of movies that are not watched within a certain period of time is a good idea. The ultimate solution, as indicated, is the increased bandwidth. I think it would solve it all.

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 22nd, 2003 @ 02:23 PM Reply

I hate to say it, but if NG needs money for the servers, we have to donate money or.....*hesitate*..
Get more sponsors.

Dammit, New York Times, why the hell haven't you done an article on NG yet?

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 22nd, 2003 @ 03:10 PM Reply

I'm surprised that there are only a few people that use the site redirection method that the one poster mentioned. Using only a miniscule amount of space on NG itself with a large bulk of animators would be something significant.

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 22nd, 2003 @ 04:16 PM Reply

At 2/21/03 10:45 PM, G2 wrote: Yeah, I noticed all those stupid coca cola ads that use to pop up while I'm trying to download stuff are now gone. I still think all those anime porn ads are pretty stupid, (IF YOU HAVE EVER JACKED OFF TO ANIME PORN, YOU ARE PATHETIC)Anyways, Im glad your always trying to make newgrounds better and better, keep it up Tom.

Yeah, you should have different ads! Those anime porn ads are really stupid.

Or are they just for geeky anime freaks? Since NG is filling with them...

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 22nd, 2003 @ 06:25 PM Reply

Perhaps a graph showing bandwidth usage during the day would allow people to optimize the time of day they log on?

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 22nd, 2003 @ 06:41 PM Reply

Just add a few more rubber bands to increase your bandwith, and you'll be adding more bands all at the same time.

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 22nd, 2003 @ 06:57 PM Reply

the speed is worst than before, and it's still bad after the off peak hours.

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 22nd, 2003 @ 06:59 PM Reply

if this is so popular why isn't it getting enough publicity?

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 22nd, 2003 @ 06:59 PM Reply

man Tom that is awesome. i didn't realize how many people actually visited NG everyday! but i think if you did get a pay-pal account alot of people would pay money to see that their favorite site was always up and running


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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 22nd, 2003 @ 07:00 PM Reply

i wish i can donate some my for a new server, but i'm a poor ass mutha fucka.

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 22nd, 2003 @ 07:01 PM Reply

I meant to say money.

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 22nd, 2003 @ 07:17 PM Reply

when u think about it, its actually a good thing

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 22nd, 2003 @ 07:20 PM Reply

on weekends i CANNON View this site, it took me a few minutes on cable just to load the text, then i had to wait for the reply IMAGE to load before I could click to write a review,
Im not even gonna attempt to view a movie, i NEVER can on a weekend with my cable,
so im posting this and leaving, sheesh,

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 22nd, 2003 @ 07:23 PM Reply

At 2/22/03 04:16 PM, Boo_Destroyer wrote:
At 2/21/03 10:45 PM, G2 wrote: Yeah, I noticed all those stupid coca cola ads that use to pop up while I'm trying to download stuff are now gone. I still think all those anime porn ads are pretty stupid, (IF YOU HAVE EVER JACKED OFF TO ANIME PORN, YOU ARE PATHETIC)Anyways, Im glad your always trying to make newgrounds better and better, keep it up Tom.
Yeah, you should have different ads! Those anime porn ads are really stupid.

Or are they just for geeky anime freaks? Since NG is filling with them...

WHy not place adds for computers and other crap up top instead of anime, Ill bet it pays more if you have big companies up there like coke or westwood instead of crap porn noone clicks..... unless everyone who visits this site does click, then I guess you reached your demographic.

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 22nd, 2003 @ 07:51 PM Reply

Yeah, I think that might be my problem, I have a hell of a time trying to watch movies and play games during the day.

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 22nd, 2003 @ 08:14 PM Reply

well i am happy that more people like NG now thats kool.i hope you get every thing up to speed soon good luck tom

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 22nd, 2003 @ 08:40 PM Reply

At 2/22/03 09:02 AM, TomFulp wrote: I want to set up a PayPal subscription system... So users who want to support the site can commit to $5-10 per month. Subscribers could get some fun extra features, but we wouldn't want to take away any of the current features. It would mainly be like public radio - if you enjoy it, you should want to support it. :)

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My Friend Juan Antin create an paypal account and it got frozen, dunno why..
Its soo fucking strange this system

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 22nd, 2003 @ 09:06 PM Reply

At 2/22/03 09:27 AM, caninecomics wrote:
Great job----a million page views a day is no small feat. I'd imagine that the bandwidth issue makes that bittersweet. As for donations, I would gladly support Newgrounds to keep it alive and well!! It's an awesome site.
-Rob

We've been getting 1.1 million submission views, not page views. If you add in all the HTML page views (front page, collection pages, series pages, etc) we probably do around 1.5-2 million page views a day, maybe more.

Also Tom doesn't serve NG out of his house. Our webservers are in a hosting facility. They are rack mounted (they don't look like your home computer box).


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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 22nd, 2003 @ 09:14 PM Reply

I noticed the lack of pop-ups. Nice change.

As far as the bandwidth usage, I'm not surprised. I think the bar has been raised recently with all of the incredible submissions.. it was bound to happen.

Keep up the good work!

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 22nd, 2003 @ 09:23 PM Reply

I have an idea to save some bandwith. Make stricter penaltys for people who subbmit the same work twice by changing the name a little bit. I see it a lot everyday and it pisses me off.

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 22nd, 2003 @ 09:22 PM Reply

Let me clear up some things for some people. :)

As far as pop ups we hope to stop most of them. We still might have some here and there, but overall they will be scarace. However, if we can't generate enough money with the banners, we might have to occasionally run pop ups. However, we would do our best to set the popups up so visitors would only see 1 popup a day, or once every 6-12 hours or something. This wouldn't be bad. We hope to never return to the days of pop ups with every page view.

As far as bandwidth and what it is. Bandwidth is how much data you transfer. So crappy movies on NG that no one watches don't use any bandwidth, they just take up HD space which we have plenty of at the moment.

As far as users suggesting things on the BBS or users having to watch movies before voting using more bandwidth, it doesn't really. You have to think of things in perspective. We've been doing like 1.1 million submissions views a day. If we get 200 new entries and they are all watched 100 times that's only 20,000 views! That's nothing! The bulk of the views come from the movies on the front page which can get anywhere from 10,000 to 60,000 views a day, each! So 1 movie on the front page could get way more views than all the new portal submissions coming in. Then after the front page the most viewed things are in the games, toons, and genres and series sections.

As far as the BBS it hardly uses any bandwidth. It's more database intensive if anything, but our database is running very well lately. Rarely do I see the old "NG under extreme load" errors. In the past we had enough bandwidth but not enough server power. Now we have enough server power and not enough bandwidth. If you do get error messages it is probably because there is an error or problem with one of our servers from a bad script, not over use.

Again, we do not host NG out of our house. It is hosted out of a professional hosting facility in NYC.

However, if contributers optimize their Flash files better it will help with the bandwidth.

We will be working on a page on optimization tips.

For starters always import your sounds and music as .WAV files! Get a MP3 to WAV conversion program. A typical 3MB MP3 will covert to a 30MB .WAV. Now you say "That's bigger! WTF!" Well, when you export to a .swf from your .fla Flash can't recompress an imported MP3. A 3MB MP3 exports as a 3MB MP3, probably at 128kbps or whatever they are. If you import a .WAV file Flash can compress that bitch down to 24-32kbps. Sure it's not CD quality, but if you watch my bumble bee movie I compressed a pretty long MP3 down to 32kbps and it sounds good to me and the file size is like 500k for the whole movie! The other option would be to compress the MP3's down to 24-32kbps before importing them into Flash. I find it's easier to just import a .WAV and let Flash compress it.

Then as far as images go, if you import a high quality JPG at 1280x960 pixels that's 500k or something, it will export at 500k. If you import a .BMP Flash can compress it into a heavier JPG. What I do is make my images as small as I can pixel wise (If my movie size is 550x400 and the image is only half the size of the screen I could make it 275x200 pixels, or whatever), and then compress them as much as I can without making them look to artifacted (grainy). So after all this most of my images would be 10-30k.

Then try not to make more keyframes than you need. Set your audio to STREAM if you are syncing animation to it. Also be sure to make everything symbols, etc.

Also when you import music if you can get away with using a loop rather than a whole song this will greatly reduce your file size. Hope this helps.


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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 22nd, 2003 @ 10:26 PM Reply

Ok, I get that now, Wade.

*sigh* I wish I can tell Katherine Ulrich about this place.

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 22nd, 2003 @ 10:31 PM Reply

At 2/22/03 10:26 PM, Boo_Destroyer wrote: Ok, I get that now, Wade.

*sigh* I wish I can tell Katherine Ulrich about this place.

If anyone wants to know who that is, that's the author of those Flash help books.

I've seen them at Barnes & Noble and I really don't think they can tell me jack crap about how to make better animations.

BTW, I doubt she'd care about Newgrounds, though. :p

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 22nd, 2003 @ 11:16 PM Reply

At 2/22/03 09:02 AM, TomFulp wrote:
I want to set up a PayPal subscription system... So users who want to support the site can commit to $5-10 per month. Subscribers could get some fun extra features, but we wouldn't want to take away any of the current features. It would mainly be like public radio - if you enjoy it, you should want to support it. :)

-Tom

Thank god, Tom. Too many sites I know that switched to a pay system lost SO much support because of how they handled it. Look at Cheat Code Central or IGN. Both used to be premier sites, but when they switched to a pay system, they removed some of the content people used to have, and restricted it to those who pay for it. A lot of people got pissed, and since a majority of their viewers were internet viewers, they lost a great deal of support.

Personally, if you did switch to any sort of donation system, I don't think I would mind sending a few bucks your way, just please don't restrict some content that people currently get to people who pay, because that would be cheating a lot of people who probably can't really afford to donate anything (seeing as the average NG-goer seems to be high school-college age)

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 22nd, 2003 @ 11:19 PM Reply

I am happy to hear that Newgrounds keeps growing in popularity and I hope Newgrounds never has to close down for any reason.

I hope the popups stay down for as long as possible.

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 22nd, 2003 @ 11:50 PM Reply

I glad about the bandwidth and how submitters should try to limit their file size. I think that all of these flash movies that are just a slideshow of porn should be disposed of in order to preserve bandwidth. No hard feelings...

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Response to Newgrounds Bandwidth Feb. 23rd, 2003 @ 01:12 AM Reply

fucking finally i havnt been able to downloaf a movie in months without it freeizing up