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He's referring to Ted_Easton, one of our esteemed mods. Ted posted a saitire post towards the top of this page, and our new poster, 'spawnofsatan' has not taken kindly to it.

Ah that Ted, I see now. I didn't bother to read the rest of the posts since it's all been debated before and this topic is almost two years old!

At 2/21/03 02:15 AM, Thelonius wrote: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-585546,00.html

So... the question is: should schools, government, and celebrities teach abstinence or safe sex? Perhaps neither?

Both:

Case for Abstinence: It's always less work to not do something at all then do something for it.

Case for Safe Sex: We're going to end up doing it somehow anyway we might as well learn how to not kill our relations accidentally.

At 2/21/03 07:33 PM, DarknessIncarnate wrote: ...accoding to studies, gay people are more likely to get STDs because stupid gay people put on the condom right before climax, as opposed to others people who start with the condom.

as you can see, i AM talking about gay males, and this is a 5/6 thing, so you may be the 1/6 safe sex gay male

Which studies?
I've heard more frequently the statistics of gay men getting AIDs have been decreasing for a while.

And I can assure you, the studies you have seen did not say that gay men are more likely to get STDs. It may had presented that gay men have been infected in the past as compared to other statistical groups. But this does not mean gay men are more in danger of getting STDs.

AIDs, unlike humanity, does not descriminate.
Everyone is equally at risk in contracting this disease.

Which studies?

I'm not too sure he's going to reply fli, that post was made almost two years ago ;-)

Well...

Not going to delve too much in my sexuality and that of my sister, but we present a case.

Both me and my sister were taught abstinence and safer sex. This happened in 7th, 8th, and 9th grade.

My sister is abstinent, her wishes are to not participate in any kind of sexual conduct until she is married. I, on the other hand, lost my virginity when I was turning 16.

Looking back in my youth, although I looked like a nerd-- I was really taking some real risks in that I was taking on multiple partners, and etc. However, I always practiced safer sex and had my condoms stashed somewhere along with a phone number list for the Moring After Pill (now called Plan B).

Although I may not be the perfect case study, because really the only reason why I had multiple female partners was because I was really hiding something, I do serve as an example.

Both things should be taught. Some students will actually listen and not have sex just like my sister. Others, like me, will not listen, and hopefully those students will have the knowlege and resources to protect themselves.

After all, not all students will take the path of no-sex, and it will be really sad for them if they had to take on the responsibility of taking care of children at an early age or getting an uncurable sexually transmitted disease like AIDs.

this is a great post. i think that we should teach safe sex. trying to enforce abstinence makes it more of a bad thing so kids will do it to rebel. i think schools schould have a place where kids could get free condoms because teen sex is inevidable and having condoms for kids will protect them.

AIDS and HIV was born roughly 20 years ago. It is the most dangerous STD today.
did you know that over 24 million people have died from AIDS.
thats over 1 million people a year.
Only teaching kids about sex will not be enough. Kids need to be streetwise, and need to know the law. They also need to know that sex is not bad. sex is good.
that way the whole topic will become less of a taboo, and kids will not have sex as much. Kids are prompted to have sex directly from their guardians/teachers response to the subject. Teachers get upset, or flustered at the subject, guardians may become angry, or express another extreme emotion. These responses automatically give sex a higher appeal to young people.
If you get asked a question by a kid about sex, treat it like 1+1=3....or sometimes 1+1=0.
maths or something. boring.
thats my theory, you mustnt lie, just tell the truth.

Personaly I feel that safe sex should be taught (as my school did) teens are going to have sex, there is no way of stopping that. One in 6 people have a form of STD. So in the world that works out to be over a billion people, or if you have unprotected sex with six partners you most likely contrated something. Abstinence isn't the way to go, it's religiouse and i feel that this should be kept out of public teaching and govermental policy as it's dose not apply to everyone. It's alright to choose to do Abstinence out of personal choice if it's what you believe then go for it.

Remeber kids safe sex is good sex.

P.S. and if by any chance you have been having protective sex and feel like not using it get yourself and you partner tested first or else your playing russian rulet with your life.

When I was younger, I would have said safe sex, but now that I'm older, I think Abstinence is a great path.

In my experience, sex can ruin a relationship. It isn't something that is really needed and when we are young, who is to say what love is? I think, as the teenager develops, they will be able to differentiate between love and lust; something that has become a fine line in our society. Getting kids to refrain from sex until marriage should help keep the relationship together, opposed letting out primal instincts take us on a wild, overly hormonal ride that will most likely lead to destruction. It really isn't okay for teens to have sex if they don't have the maturity or financial power to give aid if they, by some fortune (or in this case, misfortune) have a child.

Parents should be informed about sex enough that they could talk to their children when the time is right, provided a strong bond between the offspring and parents.

I’ve had two unplanned pregnancies in my life, both having a bad end result. I was able to support a child both fiscally and emotionally, however, the other party was not as inclined as myself. Sex may be a great thing, but it has a great power that you must respect. Teenagers cannot understand it’s power as well as much as their elders (who may also not know it completely).

To answer everyone of you, how about teaching both? Why hold either type of information from our children? Lets stop trying to come up with ways to control the masses and start giving our children all the information it needs to make its own educated decision. Some kids will practice abstinence based on their sole beliefs and whether they buy into it or not, for others they won't practice abstinence and if they aren't fully educated on ways to protect themselves they fall victim to STD's and teen pregnancy. One other thing I would like to add that no one on the abstinence side has yet to point out is that how can the government promote abstinence when it has yet to pass laws on the commercials, videos, video games, and etc. that are constantly bombarding our youth with sex? How can you promote abstinence effectively when for many years now we have constantly promoted sex, sex symbols in music, and everything else under the sun? The plain reality is that as long as we all continue to have our own extreme opinions of certain issues, no common ground is reached. Shouldn't we all agree that teaching both, and giving every bit of information on both ways for example: Safe sex (using a condom) is safer than not knowing how to use one and therefore not using one, while abstinence keeps you healthy longer, but what happens when you get that urge... do you think a child who has only learned of abstinence all of there life is going to know how to protect themself when they go aganst their decision to remain abstinent, no so therefore they might have practiced abstinence all the way until the age of 18 then decided they were tired of waiting and went ahead and had sex, but being uneducated they had unprotected sex and just so happened to get infected, which now makes them a statistic. But what if in reversal that child practiced abstinence for most of there life based on their own decision and then when they did decide to have sex, knew from sex education the proper ways to protect themself therefore did not contract an STD. Which one is better? Exactly.

In simpler terms: Ignorance of the option of abstinence plus the education of sex still equals ignorance. Learning the option of abstinence and not learning the option of safe sex still equals ignorance. The balance is: The option of remaining abstinent plus the option of having safe sex (plus knowing the risks of sex) equals an educated human being capable of making a their own decision, which is what youth are eventually taught to do ( or should be). Shouldn't we be trying to educate our youth, and not trying to have complete control over their decisions, we do live in America the land of the free right? Freedom of speech, but no freedom of choice?

The two aren't mutually exclusive, you know.

The system here is basically like "Abstinence is your best option, but if you absolutely MUST have sex, here's the precautions you should take to reduce the risk of pregnancy/disease"

At 2/21/03 02:15 AM, TheloniousMONK wrote: http://www.timesonli../0,,2-585546,00.html

So... the question is: should schools, government, and celebrities teach abstinence or safe sex? Perhaps neither?

Neither.

At 1/24/05 05:56 PM, Apu_OWNZ_U wrote: The guy who wrote a whole page on how a abstinence rally was so good.. I think he's just using his religion as an excuse to the fact that he can't get laid

Someone's never read the Onion.

The answer is obvious... teach both.

"Teach Absinence of Safe Sex?"

BOTH.

Safe sex yes, but look at what abstinence has done to the Catholic church! I believe that abstience should be a choice, not something that teachers preach about.

Safe sex. Let's face it, no matter what you do, we're going to fuck like rabbits.

...at least, those of us who are half decent looking. I myself am harmless. ^_^

Again, both.

Safe sex is essential knowledge, but you gotta tell the kids that they don't always work, or else many will get the impression that they can fuck anytime with a rubber thinking they're 100% safe.

I'd like to see it. God knows how many friends I've seen ruined by irresponsible attitudes towards sex. Sadly, it's not exactly on the forefront of anyone's minds, celebrity or otherwise...

Safe sex is definitely the way to go here. Young people are going to have sex. There's nothing we can do to change this. The government, as well as the church, have spent untold years trying to scare kids out of fucking, and it doesn't work. Aside from that, chastity is unhealthy. At least teaching teens how to do it safely will cut our abortion rates.

I think that they should just teach safe sex, No matter what anyone does you cannot stop teenagers from having sex. But instead of trying to make them stop, Influencing them to be careful with what they do will have more of an impact on young minds.

Safe sex should probably be the one being taught, because plenty of young kids either don't listen about abstinence or don't care.

At 2/21/03 10:53 AM, NEMESiSZ wrote: Abstinence, kids really shouldn't be having sex in like...8th grade.

speak for yourself

Again, BOTH. I was taught both in school, though I allready knew, it was still a good thing for them to do. Frankly, I think we have been leaning a little too far into just safe sex, and not as much as abstinence. We think that safe sex is better, meanwhile STD's and teen pregnancies are at an all-time high. The only 100% method of safe sex is to simply not do it, or atleast not do it too much. Contrary to what many may think, I like the whole "wait until marriage" teach, I may not agree with it, but it's the safest way, the only sure way to work. Ya got to give the kids a LITTLE sense of self-control.

I believe that schools should teach both. Then again thats my opinion and in this world, my political views and opinions are not always ignored or not listened to.