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in the comic books, isnt kingpin white?

At 2/22/03 03:38 AM, PreacherJ wrote:
Michael Clarke Duncan as "Kingpin"? If Stan Lee were dead, he would have been turning in his grave. But since he isn't, and they gave him a big huge bag with a dollar sign on it, he doesn't care.

I haven't seen the movie yet, but now I realise who that guy is (huge bloke from the green mile), I reckon he'd make a good kingpin - as long he was creepy/evil/mean enough. That'd be my only worry about that guy playing it...
Why does he suck so much as kingpin?

Joe Pantoliano

Who's he play? That guy's my favourite actor for villains. He better be a villain...

At 2/22/03 05:08 AM, Evil_San wrote:

I haven't seen the movie yet, but now I realise who that guy is (huge bloke from the green mile), I reckon he'd make a good kingpin - as long he was creepy/evil/mean enough. That'd be my only worry about that guy playing it...
Why does he suck so much as kingpin?

Joe Pantoliano

Who's he play? That guy's my favourite actor for villains. He better be a villain...

Kingpin is a huge WHITE guy, first of all. Otherwise, I guess he's alright, just a victim of poor writing. Michael Rooker would have been much better as the kingpin, I think, and every body knows how fucking creepy Michael Rooker is.

Joe Pantoliano is not a villian. He plays a reporter.

At 2/22/03 05:32 AM, PreacherJ wrote: Kingpin is a huge WHITE guy, first of all. Otherwise, I guess he's alright, just a victim of poor writing.

What does an actor's race matter to the caracter? Michael Clarke Duncan matches the physical proportion of kingpin better than any other actor I can think of, and if you say he does an alright job, what does it matter his race?

Michael Rooker would have been much better as the kingpin, I think, and every body knows how fucking creepy Michael Rooker is.

Kingpin is a HUGE white guy. Yeah, I don't really know Michael Rooker that well, but I didn't think he was that big a guy.

At 2/22/03 06:10 AM, Evil_San wrote: What does an actor's race matter to the caracter? Michael Clarke Duncan matches the physical proportion of kingpin better than any other actor I can think of, and if you say he does an alright job, what does it matter his race?

:: Kingpin is a HUGE white guy. Yeah, I don't really know Michael Rooker that well, but I didn't think he was that big a guy.

Alright, I suppose I'm just a stickler for comic representation accuracy. But Kingpin's race represented so much more then just a color. The fact that he was Anglo-Saxon and was the single most powerful man in the city says something about the race relations at the time of his inception, does it not? How many African Americans owned huge megacorporations in the Marvel Series incorporating Daredevil (And Elektra, Punisher, Yadda yadda)? I'm not against African Americans in power, I'm just supportive of trying to stick to the damn books these movies are supposed to be based on, is all.

I'm not racist, if that's something you had wondered. Indeed, read some of my posts in the "White America" Thread or "Racism" Thread and you'll see.

As for Mike Rooker, I'm sure that there's plenty of things that could be done about his size. Mike Duncan Doesn't even really come close to Kingpin's size, either, if you've ever read the comics or even watched the cartoons. Spend the $30,000 you spent on animating that rat at the beginning on a fat suit or something. ANYTHING.

At 2/22/03 06:44 AM, PreacherJ wrote:
Alright, I suppose I'm just a stickler for comic representation accuracy. But Kingpin's race represented so much more then just a color. The fact that he was Anglo-Saxon and was the single most powerful man in the city says something about the race relations at the time of his inception, does it not? How many African Americans owned huge megacorporations in the Marvel Series incorporating Daredevil (And Elektra, Punisher, Yadda yadda)? I'm not against African Americans in power, I'm just supportive of trying to stick to the damn books these movies are supposed to be based on, is all.

I think you read more into it than is practical for the director of a live action adaption of the comic to read into it. Was kingpin's race really that big an issue? when the director was casting, and he said "who's the biggest mofo I can find who can act and pull at the box office" why should he give a shit about race.

I'm not racist, if that's something you had wondered. Indeed, read some of my posts in the "White America" Thread or "Racism" Thread and you'll see.

Sorry, I realised after posting I may have Inferred that. I realised that you just wanted to see kingpin like he was in the comic book.

As for Mike Rooker, I'm sure that there's plenty of things that could be done about his size. Mike Duncan Doesn't even really come close to Kingpin's size, either, if you've ever read the comics or even watched the cartoons. Spend the $30,000 you spent on animating that rat at the beginning on a fat suit or something. ANYTHING.

I haven't seen the rat sequence (I haven't seen the movie), but a fat suit'd be straight out laughable. I think Mike Duncan would be a good comprimise between comic book and reality.

Yeah, sorry, I probably shouldn't have gone quite so hard on you about it, but you made a pretty big statement with:

Michael Clarke Duncan as "Kingpin"? If Stan Lee were dead, he would have been turning in his grave. But since he isn't, and they gave him a big huge bag with a dollar sign on it, he doesn't care

...but you seemed to have backed down from that a bit. And I know where you stand now, I probably read you a little bit wrong too.

Stan Lee is godly.

It's cool San. I otherwise don't care about Mike Duncan. You're right in the director's adaptation practicality, but like you said- I just want a faithful adaptation.

Word.

Have a good night.

Kingpin is a huge WHITE guy, first of all. Otherwise, I guess he's alright, just a victim of poor writing. Michael Rooker would have been much better as the kingpin, I think, and every body knows how fucking creepy Michael Rooker is.

They should have gotten Al Roker to be kingpin if they were going to pick a black guy.

Who do you think is going to play the Hulk? Or even War machine?

At 2/22/03 11:16 AM, EefOofTheBeefBoof wrote: They should have gotten Al Roker to be kingpin if they were going to pick a black guy.

Why not get Shaq to play him? Nah, I think the thing about Mike Duncan is he can actually act.

Who do you think is going to play the Hulk? Or even War machine?

Eric Bana is already down to play the hulk isn't he?

Why not get Shaq to play him? Nah, I think the thing about Mike Duncan is he can actually act.

Who do you think is going to play the Hulk? Or even War machine?

Eric Bana is already down to play the hulk isn't he?

Ehhhh.... Who?

I always thought that the Hulk was one of the cooler super heros. I mean come on, when he gets angry he beats the crap out of stuff!!!

12 cent comic, number 63. YAY!

At 2/23/03 11:00 PM, EefOofTheBeefBoof wrote: 12 cent comic, number 63. YAY!

20 cent comic, number 77.

At 2/23/03 11:01 PM, EefOofTheBeefBoof wrote:

At 2/23/03 11:00 PM, EefOofTheBeefBoof wrote: 12 cent comic, number 63. YAY!

20 cent comic, number 77.

What the hell is this! This isn't Stan Lees doing!

At 2/23/03 04:56 PM, EefOofTheBeefBoof wrote:

Eric Bana is already down to play the hulk isn't he?

Ehhhh.... Who?

He's an aussie actor. He used to do sketch comedy shows here, but he broke into serious film by playing chopper read, a notorious criminal figure here in australia. The only major Hollywood film he's been in so far (that I can think of) has been black hawk down, where he played a ranger. So The Hulk is his first major role, although I think most of the movie is going to be fairly cg'ed up.

He's an aussie actor. He used to do sketch comedy shows here, but he broke into serious film by playing chopper read, a notorious criminal figure here in australia. The only major Hollywood film he's been in so far (that I can think of) has been black hawk down, where he played a ranger. So The Hulk is his first major role, although I think most of the movie is going to be fairly cg'ed up.

Yeah, I was suprised how well they integrated the CG into Spider Man without making it to cheesy. I hope they can do that with the Hulk or Silver Sufrer and hopefully The Fantastic Four.

At 2/24/03 07:50 PM, EefOofTheBeefBoof wrote: Yeah, I was suprised how well they integrated the CG into Spider Man without making it to cheesy. I hope they can do that with the Hulk or Silver Sufrer and hopefully The Fantastic Four.

So they are making a silver surfer movie? sweetness!!!