No need to get pissy, and freeware like the games on this very site, Doom by John Romaro and some other early arcade style games can be downloaded for free at their owners sites. I was asking about FREEWARE, but if you just like speeding through the forums untill you find something to obsess over then I guess the forum is ultimatley useless. Seeing that Flash 8 Pro is available, making the assumption that Macromedia would simply give away copies of their original version of Flash wouldn't be so far off base. In fact it's good buisness sense.