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Response to It's time to stand up to Israel 2009-01-27 18:29:58

Report: UNRWA pays terrorists

In sharply worded report, former legal advisor to UN agency says group must redefine oxymoronic labeling of Palestinians with Jordanian, Lebanese citizenship as refugees

The United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestinian refugees employs and provides benefits for terrorists and criminals, asserts a former legal adviser to UNRWA who left the organization in 2007. James Lindsay, now a fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, served as an attorney with the US Justice Department for two decades before leaving to work for UNRWA in 2000.

Titled 'Fixing UNRWA: Repairing the UN's Troubled System of Aid to Palestinian Refugees,' Lindsay's report puts forward suggestions intended to improve the agency. Established by the US and Britain after the 1948 war, UNRWA's objective was to aid displaced Palestinians.

Lindsay writes that although the US remains UNRWA's main contributor, the agency's positions contrast with Washington's.

During the recent fighting in Gaza a number of UNRWA institutions were bombed by the IDF, which claimed that terrorists had fired at forces from within or near the UN compounds. The agency's employees took a clear-cut stance against Israel during the war.

Lindsay's report warns that the agency has deteriorated increasingly over the years since its establishment, and that it was currently offering services to those who were not actually in need of them. "No justification exists for millions of dollars in humanitarian aid going to those who can afford to pay for UNRWA services," the report says.

He suggests UNRWA make operational changes and "halt its one-sided political statements and limit itself to comments on humanitarian issues; take additional steps to ensure the agency is not employing or providing benefits to terrorists and criminals; and allow the UN Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO), or some other neutral entity, to provide balanced and discrimination-free textbooks for UNRWA initiatives."

Lindsay concludes his report by saying that only these changes would allow the agency to complete its task in the Middle East. "For the Palestinians it serves, this means ending their refugee status and returning, after nearly sixty years, to what most of them so desperately seek: normal lives," he writes.

The report will be handed over to US President Barack Obama's administration, which is keen to help fix the ailing agency.

"The United States, despite funding nearly 75 percent of UNRWA's initial budget and remaining its largest single country donor, has largely failed to make UNRWA reflect US foreign policy objectives. UNRWA initially served US humanitarian purposes, but in later years often clashed with US policies," the report says.

Lindsay claims the most important change that should be made in the agency is "the removal of citizens from recognized states - persons who have the oxymoronic status of "citizen refugees" - from UNRWA's jurisdiction. This would apply to the vast majority of Palestinian "refugees" in Jordan, as well as to some in Lebanon and Syria."

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,
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Response to It's time to stand up to Israel 2009-01-28 10:40:47

The BBC are remaining spineless, but now Sky have joined them in thinking it's not worth their time to air the Gaza Appeal ad - their competitors, meanwhile, are.

Now, Sky almost have an excuse for this as they are a global channel which is aired in, among other places, Israel. And if Doonie is truly representitive of even 1% of Israelis, this means they will forever be deemed a pro-Arab network that supports terrorists and is biased against the plight of Israel. Or, if you want to look at it another way, word came from on high at News Corp they should drop it, as they'd get a pile of complaints via the US, which would lead to Fox News being deemed a pro-Arab etc. etc...
(However, Sky own a 17.9% share of ITV, whilst Five News is produced by Sky News - Five are broadcasting the appeal, and should it air after Five News the ridiculousness of the situation is apparent)

The BBC, though, are coming up with any number of excuses, usually "imparitality" or "free from government interference."

Which is pure crap - it's not as if the BBC was remotely impartial or balanced in their reporting of the conflict. And, no, not because they were pro-Arab as some people have claimed on this board (sorry, did I say "claimed"? I meant LIED) - Gaza did not have a voice in any report on the BBC, whilst both the Israeli Defence Minister and Foreign Minister were featured on every broadcast and bulletin, the BBC always toed the Israeli line no matter how falsified their version of events were, and for that matter the BBC never even went into Gaza, and deposited their reporters on the Gaza/Israel border - or, to be more blunt, they reported on events in Gaza from Israeli soil, and never went near anything they were reporting.

The BBC have no problem broadcasting appeals for the Congo or Darfur, whilst 20 years ago kids show Blue Peter ran an appeal for Kampochea without any talk of "politics", "impartiality" or "Government interference."

Have ITV, Channel 4 or Five destabilised the Middle East since airing the appeal on Monday night? Did any of their viewers complain that it was a political move, or were they smart enough to relaise there's a clear demarcation between politics and an humanitarian appeal?

When the head of the Charity Comission, David Hind, states that the appeal will receive considerably less money due to the BBC snub, it's also worth questioning whether this decision was conscious from the outset, rather than the BBC being stubborn and refusing to budge.


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Response to It's time to stand up to Israel 2009-01-28 10:49:59

At 1/28/09 10:40 AM, D2Kvirus wrote: The BBC are remaining spineless, but now Sky have joined them in thinking it's not worth their time to air the Gaza Appeal ad - their competitors, meanwhile, are.

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Actually, the BBC have refused to back appeals in the past (how convienient of you to leave that portion of the story out )
They in the past & right now are claiming by broadcasting an appeal just for Gaza ,they believe that it will show that they are not an impartial news organization.
No matter what you ,I or anyone else may think about that...they have a right to attempt to maintain impartiality , & those who say that they have braodcast appeals before...an appeal for people who have been affected by a natural disaster is different than a conflict zone.


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Response to It's time to stand up to Israel 2009-01-29 09:06:31

Israeli destruction:

4,100 homes, 25 schools and hospitals, two bridges, 1500 factories and shops, 20 ambulances and numerous government offices and buildings were destroyed. 10 water and sewage arteries and 10 electricity-generating stations were also destroyed. Around 50km of paved roads need rebuilding. The estimate does not take into account the damage to streets inside Gaza neighbourhoods. 80% of all agricultural properties have also been destroyed. This includes all buildings upon the land as well as crops that had been planted .

In going with the IDF, you could say those 4100 homes were destroyed because Hamas militants were using them ALL to launch rockets. Same with the 25 schools, 1500 businesses and 20 ambulances, I guess. But what about the 80% of the farmlands destroyed? Was Hamas using those wide open fields to launch rockets from? What would be the purpose for Israel to destroy Palestinian farmlands? Oh wait....


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Response to It's time to stand up to Israel 2009-01-29 11:19:48

"They cannot win against us, but we can lose against them."

That's what Israel discovered for itself when its soldiers went into Gaza to answer the Hamas rockets. The Israelis killed 1,300 Palestinians, including a number of high-ranking Palestinian officials, wounded several thousand more, and destroyed much of the Hamas military infrastructure, all in just three weeks. They were nevertheless told they had lost. After Israel announced a cease-fire, Ismail Haniya, the "prime minister of Gaza," came out of hiding and declared victory. Such chutzpah, observes der Spiegel, could only be compared to the Black Knight in a Monty Python skit: "After King Arthur cuts off both of the knights' arms and legs, he tells him: 'All right, we'll call it a draw.'"

What happened in Gaza is tragic, but the satirical comparison is not far-fetched. Hamas is winning world public opinion for a seat at the negotiating table as the hue and cry against Israel's "disproportionality" continues to dominate the international media. The moral balance weighs on behalf of Hamas despite its cowardly decision to place rocket launchers and armaments in mosques, schools and hospitals. Talk about "eyeless in Gaza" (with apologies to Aldous Huxley). In the Middle East, it's the blind who think they see most clearly. The Europeans, terrified into paralysis by the Muslims in their midst, echo Arab claims. Protesting crowds in Paris, Berlin and London blamed the Jews and elevated Hamas to heroic status merely for surviving Israel's onslaught in Gaza.

"Hamas has survived the war," observes Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, the German newspaper. "It exists, and it is here to stay. Therefore, it is essential that an easing of the Western boycott against the Islamists is considered." By this logic the Palestinians might deserve a seat on the United Nations Security Council as soon as they lose a few more wars. Humanitarian help for wounded civilians is the honorable thing to do, but anything more is perverse. The cease-fire was quickly broken by Hamas.

Not everyone in Gaza sees "survival" as euphemism for victory. Gaza builder Mohammed Sadalah, whose house was appropriated by Hamas to use as an emplacement for guns to shoot at Israelis, spoke to reporters as he stood in the ruins of what used to be his bedroom. Hamas came to power by handing out groceries with a message of change, an antidote to the corruption of Fatah, but Mohammed Sadalah is not persuaded. He points to the destruction of his village: "That is the change that they brought about. We were blasted back 2,000 years."

Some former Hamas supporters like Sadalah think Hamas is likely now to follow the example of Hezbollah, which like Hamas claimed dubious victory against Israel in 2006. But Hezbollah gave no help to Hamas for fear of Israeli retaliation. They understand how bad that bad can be. When rockets were fired at Israel from Lebanon, the Lebanese prime minister lost no time in condemning them.

On Tuesday many people interrupted their daily routine to recognize Holocaust Memorial Day, an observance marked this year against the marches of those who wish Israel and the Jews only ill. Jewish-owned shops across Europe were sprayed with insulting graffiti and marchers shouted insults reprised from the Nazi days: "Gas the Jews," and "Get back to the ovens!"

Anti-Semitism always speaks with a forked tongue. Few Europeans decried the excessive force of Hamas when it fired more than 6,000 rockets since 2005 at Israel, killing and wounding civilians, and turning every night into a fearful nightmare. Where was the appreciation of the skill of Israeli pilots who carefully calibrated targets in neighborhoods where Hamas hid weapons and supplies, dropping leaflets warning Palestinians to get out of the neighborhood?

Remembering Jews killed in the Holocaust is important, but memory must recognize the perpetrators of violence as well as change attitudes. As long as a double standard exists toward Jews, memorializing the Holocaust becomes empty sentiment and "never again" a vacant promise. "There are a great many people in the world who even after Auschwitz just can't bear the Jewish state having the same rights they so readily grant to other nations," writes Rabbi Marvin Hier, founder of the Simon Wiesenthal Center and the Museum of Tolerance in Los Angeles, in The Wall Street Journal. That's the real disproportionality. This is the message for George Mitchell, the new presidential envoy to the Middle East, to keep firmly in mind as he attempts to "process" peace.

In going with the IDF, you could say those 4100 homes were destroyed because Hamas militants were using them ALL to launch rockets. Same with the 25 schools, 1500 businesses and 20 ambulances, I guess. But what about the 80% of the farmlands destroyed? Was Hamas using those wide open fields to launch rockets from? What would be the purpose for Israel to destroy Palestinian farmlands? Oh wait....

Who knows? There could be a thousand reasons for bombing them who knows what Hamas did there, Israel wont waste 100,000,000$ worth missiles just "for fun". Stop trying to find pathetic excuses to not support Israel.

After the great "massacre done by Israel killing hundreds of innocent civilians", the Palestinian support for Hamas rose? When they chose them at first they knew they would fight no matter what, knowing that they use them as human shields. They didn't care, and that's exactly what happened, they brought a horrible suffer on them. And still they support them.

Funny, that after they claimed they were being slaughtered, and idiots like you believed them. Now they claim they WON? ROFL.
But never mind that, claim what ever the fuck you want, but now you go and kill Israeli soldier wounding few others?
Can't you see they try to get as many of their own population killed? Can't you see they try to do what ever they can do make propaganda? Fuck.


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Response to It's time to stand up to Israel 2009-01-29 12:59:42

I feel that this is relevant.


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Response to It's time to stand up to Israel 2009-01-29 13:27:01

At 1/29/09 12:59 PM, Tancrisism wrote: I feel that this is relevant.

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Yeah Tancrisism... I would call that relevant. But chances are very much against Sari or anyone else protesting on behalf of these murdered victims.

But I have heard there's plans to protest BBC's refusal to promote a 'call for help" for the 'people of Gaza' I wonder if any of these Protesters ever stop to think that ...Hamas murderers are 'people' in Gaza ?
But I doubt it. That would get in the way of the mindless mentality of a protest mob.


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Response to It's time to stand up to Israel 2009-01-29 16:03:59

At 1/29/09 01:27 PM, morefngdbs wrote: But I have heard there's plans to protest BBC's refusal to promote a 'call for help" for the 'people of Gaza' I wonder if any of these Protesters ever stop to think that ...Hamas murderers are 'people' in Gaza ?
But I doubt it. That would get in the way of the mindless mentality of a protest mob.

They should be protesting Hamas as well as Israel, as neither are currently good for the Palestinian people.


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Response to It's time to stand up to Israel 2009-01-29 16:32:00

At 1/29/09 04:03 PM, Tancrisism wrote:
At 1/29/09 01:27 PM, morefngdbs wrote: But I have heard there's plans to protest BBC's refusal to promote a 'call for help" for the 'people of Gaza' I wonder if any of these Protesters ever stop to think that ...Hamas murderers are 'people' in Gaza ?
But I doubt it. That would get in the way of the mindless mentality of a protest mob.
They should be protesting Hamas as well as Israel, as neither are currently good for the Palestinian people.

Are we forgetting that they are the government? Why do everyone make it look like it's Israel vs Hamas -> Palestinians have nothing to do with it?
They chose them. They supported them when they fired rockets at Israel. They supported them when they did suicide bomb in Israeli buses and cafes.

They should protest against Hamas, support Israel and feel sorry for the civilians.

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Response to It's time to stand up to Israel 2009-01-29 17:10:47

At 1/29/09 04:03 PM, Tancrisism wrote:
At 1/29/09 01:27 PM, morefngdbs wrote: But I have heard there's plans to protest BBC's refusal to promote a 'call for help" for the 'people of Gaza' I wonder if any of these Protesters ever stop to think that ...Hamas murderers are 'people' in Gaza ?
But I doubt it. That would get in the way of the mindless mentality of a protest mob.
They should be protesting Hamas as well as Israel, as neither are currently good for the Palestinian people.

One big difference though: It doesn't matter how much you protest against Hamas atrocities, it won't do any good. Israel at least, could react if enough people protested (though that would require several millions, as israel can still put the "anti-semite" stamp on anyone against their actions).

Hamas actions can just stop if you get the palestinian people not to support them. Killing the palestinian people isn't a good way to do that.


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Response to It's time to stand up to Israel 2009-01-29 21:45:47

At 1/29/09 05:10 PM, Sajberhippien wrote: Killing the palestinian people isn't a good way to do that.

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I agree that killing anyone on the opposing side isn't going to make those survivors 'love' you. But how else do you deal with a group of people who, refuse to believe you & your family even have a right to exist ?
How do you treat a group of individuals who teach their own elementary school children to hate & to think of martyring themselves as a good choice?
What do you do with a group of people who have seized power at the point of a gun, killed hundreds of their own people... & by fear & intimidation & by their actions of agression, have brought on the death & destruction that has caused untold tragic suffering on the people of Gaza who just want to live & let live?

You got workable answers to that...there's this new U.S. envoy who would probably LOVE to hear from you !


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Response to It's time to stand up to Israel 2009-01-29 21:47:37

because all palestinians think that way

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Response to It's time to stand up to Israel 2009-01-29 21:56:02

At 1/29/09 09:47 PM, unowned wrote: because all palestinians think that way

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What way do all Palestinians think ?
Where do you get the information proving that each & every one of them think in a certain way?
How could anyone know how 'EVERYONE in a group of approximately 1.5 million people in a 360 sq km strip of land actually thinks ?
What was the point of this post ???anyone wanna help me out here?


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Response to It's time to stand up to Israel 2009-01-29 22:19:31

At 1/29/09 09:47 PM, unowned wrote: because all palestinians think that way

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Response to It's time to stand up to Israel 2009-01-30 00:08:02

At 1/29/09 04:32 PM, Doonie wrote: They should protest against Hamas, support Israel and feel sorry for the civilians.

Support what Israel is doing in the West Bank?


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Response to It's time to stand up to Israel 2009-01-30 01:41:44

At 1/29/09 11:19 AM, zoolrule wrote: Who knows? There could be a thousand reasons for bombing them who knows what Hamas did there, Israel wont waste 100,000,000$ worth missiles just "for fun". Stop trying to find pathetic excuses to not support Israel.

Give me one credible reason for destroying 80% of the agriculture?
And I never said Israel did it for fun, oppression maybe, but certainly not fun.

And why should I support Israel, they bulldoze Palestinian homes because there is no building permit for it, yet Israelis build on Palestinian land without permits, and that's acceptable? Not only that, but the Israeli government tries to hide it from the public eye.


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Response to It's time to stand up to Israel 2009-01-30 14:34:19

What this all boils down to dear newgrounders, is this:

Is Israel beyond criticism?


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Response to It's time to stand up to Israel 2009-01-30 14:42:27

At 1/30/09 02:34 PM, zephiran wrote: What this all boils down to dear newgrounders, is this:

Is Israel beyond criticism?

Why would it be?

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Response to It's time to stand up to Israel 2009-01-30 14:56:18

At 1/30/09 02:34 PM, zephiran wrote: Is Israel beyond criticism?

To some NGers like morefngdbs, zoolrule and Doonie, yes, Israel is beyond criticism.
To others, such as myself, no way.


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Response to It's time to stand up to Israel 2009-01-30 15:04:00

At 1/30/09 02:34 PM, zephiran wrote: What this all boils down to dear newgrounders, is this:

Is Israel beyond criticism?

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I don't believe that this is the case. There are problems caused by both sides, of that there is no doubt. Never forget that Israel is surrounded by enemies. When the Palestinian people were represented by Arafat & they were bombing, kidnapping murdering any jew they could get near ! They kept screaming about 'Their Rights' to control their own area's .
They wanted Jews removed from places they had set up communities & farms etc. Well Israel handed over the Gaza Strip & the West Bank...they even forcably removed Jewish settlers & destroyed their buildings & returned these areas to Palestinian control.

What did they get for that?
They are still being attacked, Hamas has taken Gaza by force from the Palestinian Fatah Party. Executing their own people. Hamas has declared that no Israeli has a right to exist & they refuse to even recognise Israel as anything except an enemy to be destroyed.

The Hamas have used their land in Gaza as a place to re arm itself , at the expense of the Palestinian people who live there. Launched attacks into Israel, which set off the retaliation attacks & invasion of Gaza by the IDF, putting even bigger pressure onto the people in Gaza who just want to live & be left alone.

When you have 2 armed camps ,1 of who wants to see the other dead no matter what or how ! There are going to be deaths on both sides that may have not been who were targeted, but killed because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. But if the Palestinian militants stopped the campaign of terror & after a period of time no relaxing of restrictions by Israel towards the Palestinian people was happening, then I believe sanctions & condemnation against the Israeli Government would be the right thing to do.


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Response to It's time to stand up to Israel 2009-01-30 15:27:33

Ok then, but what about Palestine?

Is Palestine beyond criticism?

(Can you see where I am going with this?)


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Response to It's time to stand up to Israel 2009-01-30 16:05:36

At 1/30/09 03:27 PM, zephiran wrote: Ok then, but what about Palestine?

Is Palestine beyond criticism?

No one is beyond criticism. Both sides have commited wrongs. There is never a clear good vs. evil situation.

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Response to It's time to stand up to Israel 2009-01-30 23:48:56

if america supports israel, then the rest of the world should listen to it's leader (america) and follow suit. besides... the only people i've actually seen or heard talking about protesting israel are those lamewads who hang out at starbucks. talkin bout grass roots n stuff. i love pullin up a chair right next to them and asking them why the hell do they have so much free time on their hands. :p


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Response to It's time to stand up to Israel 2009-01-31 07:05:07

At 1/30/09 01:41 AM, bcdemon wrote:
At 1/29/09 11:19 AM, zoolrule wrote: Who knows? There could be a thousand reasons for bombing them who knows what Hamas did there, Israel wont waste 100,000,000$ worth missiles just "for fun". Stop trying to find pathetic excuses to not support Israel.
Give me one credible reason for destroying 80% of the agriculture?
And I never said Israel did it for fun, oppression maybe, but certainly not fun.

I don't know emm. Launching rockets from there? They didn't have problem shooting rockets from schools, you know.
Most of the products are olives and citrus, there are plenty of videos showing they launch rockets from there. I don't know about the 80%, but even if it's true, there aren't so many groves anyway since we know how populated Gaza is.
Anyway, Israel donated 20 million dollars to build these before Hamas took over anyway, good reward for the help.

And why should I support Israel, they bulldoze Palestinian homes because there is no building permit for it, yet Israelis build on Palestinian land without permits, and that's acceptable? Not only that, but the Israeli government tries to hide it from the public eye.

Well, Israel does build with permits. And there's a reason for the buildings:

At 1/30/09 12:08 AM, Tancrisism wrote:
At 1/29/09 04:32 PM, Doonie wrote: They should protest against Hamas, support Israel and feel sorry for the civilians.
Support what Israel is doing in the West Bank?

What exactly is Israel doing in the West Bank? Can't you see the West Bank and Gaza are mirror to each other?
Israel evacuated from the West Bank for the peace talkings, Palestinians dropped the peace talkings, started doing terror, just like in Gaza. The Palestinians see compassion as weakness.
Israel conquered the West-Bank again, and what a miracle, no more suicide bombings? Who are you to judge? WHO ARE YOU TO FUCKING JUDGE YOU ALL BUNCH OF HYPOCRITES? What a fucking joke.
The fact is that since Israel took over the West-Bank, their economy is flourishing, the people are getting more moderate, no civilians die, the living standards are prospering.

The difference today between Gaza and the West Bank, is that the West-Bank was conquered back after Israel gave it for false peace, the West-Bank was.
In this operation the world's bleeding-heart idiots pressure was too strong, and Israel had to withdraw. They (Or should i say, yours?) thought they were helping the civilians, but Israel, the only democracy in the middle east, is gonna prove you wrong again. Their gonna suffer under Hamas more than ever, their gonna suffer more wars and you'll see it. IDF is the most humane army in the world, and it's trying to do only good to the Palestinians, and in reality Israel is doing act of grace for the West-Bank.


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Response to It's time to stand up to Israel 2009-01-31 07:12:39

Rockets into Israel continue from Gaza.

And just to explain a bit:

It's time to stand up to Israel


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Response to It's time to stand up to Israel 2009-01-31 11:17:31

At 1/28/09 10:49 AM, morefngdbs wrote:
At 1/28/09 10:40 AM, D2Kvirus wrote: The BBC are remaining spineless, but now Sky have joined them in thinking it's not worth their time to air the Gaza Appeal ad - their competitors, meanwhile, are.
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Actually, the BBC have refused to back appeals in the past (how convienient of you to leave that portion of the story out )

Darfur, Congo - I believe I mentioned those.

They in the past & right now are claiming by broadcasting an appeal just for Gaza ,they believe that it will show that they are not an impartial news organization.

How can you show you are impartial by broadcasting one side of the story throughout the initial conflict, that of the Israelis? You can't be imparitial when broadcasting one voice, and ignoring another.

No matter what you ,I or anyone else may think about that...they have a right to attempt to maintain impartiality , & those who say that they have braodcast appeals before...an appeal for people who have been affected by a natural disaster is different than a conflict zone.

Darfur, Congo, Kampochea - all war zones.


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Response to It's time to stand up to Israel 2009-02-01 12:26:29

At 1/31/09 11:17 AM, D2Kvirus wrote:
At 1/28/09 10:49 AM, morefngdbs wrote: Actually, the BBC have refused to back appeals in the past
Darfur, Congo - I believe I mentioned those.

quote -"BBC says every appeal is considered on individual circumstances "

How can you show you are impartial by broadcasting one side of the story throughout the initial conflict, that of the Israelis? You can't be imparitial when broadcasting one voice, and ignoring another.

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Lebanon 2006 -BBC refuses to air appeal for Israeli-Hezbollah conflict victims on grounds of impartiality
D.R.Congo 2008 - BBC Appeal ran as fighting was internal & people on both sides of the conflict were affected.
Dafur 2007- Appeal ran as the situation had deteriorated since an appeal for Sudan 2004 & it was considered a follow up.
East Africa 2006- Famine appeal rejected by BBC because of difficulties in access.
Burma 2008- Appeal was only broadcast once BBC was satisfied AID would reach victims .

No matter what you ,I or anyone else may think about that...they have a right to attempt to maintain impartiality ,
Darfur, Congo, Kampochea - all war zones.

I can't find anything on Kampochea...but the pressure that British MP's are putting on the BBC has caused BBC Trust Chairman Sir Michael Lyons to state that 'some' MP's " are coming close to constituting undue interference in the editorial independence of the BBC."

There has been more than one poster here on Newgrounds who have made comments about 'News' Sources being censered or biased by Governments . Here in the BBC's defense that doesn't seem to be the case. They have made a decission & whether you agree with that or not, shouldn't allow for Government interference. Or ,to me anyway, it will prove that the Media is all 'spin doctored' by outside controling forces, and if all news sources are that way. None of them are of any real use, or at least no more use than North Korea's internal News sources are for that population !


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Response to It's time to stand up to Israel 2009-02-02 08:25:30

Despite continuing rocket fire, mortar shelling, and terror attacks from Gaza against Israeli civilians and soldiers, the Ministry of Defense revealed Sunday that over 47,427 tons of aid have been transferred to Gaza since the end of Operation Cast Lead.

The aid included food supplies, medical supplies, dairy and meat products and grain for livestock. Some of the aid came from international sources - mainly from the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA), the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), and the nations of Egypt and Jordan.

In addition, 3,017,900 liters of diesel fuel were transferred to Gaza for its power station, and 1,053 tons of gas was pumped into Gaza for domestic use. Israel has also allowed dozens of Gazans into Israel for medical care since the end of the military operation.

The Israeli supplies allowed into Gaza are purchased by local Gazan dealers.

The aid has continued despite terror attacks starting last Tuesday when terrorists detonated a bomb near the Gaza border, killing one soldier and wounding three. On Thursday terrorists fired two Kassam rockets at Israel, and a Grad rocket was fired at Ashkelon on Saturday. On Sunday terrorists fired three Kassam rockets and five mortar shells, and also shot at troops stationed near the Kissufim Crossing.

No one is marching in the streets for us now. Now when they are provoking, when they are killing.
Now it's gonna be like that for few weeks, maybe months, and when we do shoot back. You'll call us war-criminals, we will tell you "Look, they have been firing rockets at us for months, even though we did everything, they just bite the hand". And i promise you, that just like today, you wouldn't give the slightest fuck. Because "OH GOD CIVILIANS DIE", No one cares that it was proven they lied about the numbers and that the majority are Hamas members. No one WILL care that like now, it's 100% their fault, and that they are doing it intentionally. No one. I hope we will strike back now, and wont wait months.
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Response to It's time to stand up to Israel 2009-02-02 09:54:49

At 2/1/09 12:26 PM, morefngdbs wrote: bbc should be able to do what they like

I do totally agree that it's best that we allow news stations to broadcast whatever they choose and appealn for whatever they like but I do have to say, the BBC is paid for by the license fee, just like a tax, and they've got a duty to broadcast public information films, things critical of the media, things channels with adverts would never put on for fear of upsetting their sponsors, etc.

Irrelevant, of course. Fine with the Beeb not broadcasting this appeal for Gaza aid, it appears that this aid appeal has got far more publicity than it would have otherwise, so by not broadcasting it the Beeb have done more for the cause than everyone else.

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Response to It's time to stand up to Israel 2009-02-02 10:03:05

I say let Israel go in kick Hamas and any other terrorist organizations ass, because every time they back down they get attacked


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