The Lunatic Fringe

[JMHX]

Not many people would have me pegged for a voter who has registered but refused to specify a party. Most of my threads have a Democratic tilt to them. I've worked in some form or another for the Democratic Party since 2004, so far as taking an active part in campaigns. However, I'm not a registered Democrat. Why? Because I fear the lunatic liberal fringe of my party like no other, and I know I'm not the only one.

John Kerry was just the beginning of this burgeoning liberal fringe getting back out into the public eye, finding their voice and with it a demand to dominate any discussion on the position of the Democratic Party. Howard Dean did little to help, much less that miserable Markos Moulitsas at DailyKos, or any of the number of interchangeable, pointless liberal blogs that possess some of the most self-obsessed and self-loving people in the world.

The thing is, I fear like the plague that the Democrats will nominate someone like John Kerry or Hillary Clinton in 2008, ramming through the liberal agenda of a vocal minority in order to appease the loudmouths. While I bent over and took the sodomy of Democratic ideals like a good employee in 2004, I'm not going to stand for another Kerry run, or Clinton taking her ambitions to center stage, and sacrificing what should be a victory in Congress and the White House in order to appease vanity.

Unless the Democratic Party moves back to the sensible middle, and ditches some of the noise-and-smoke Michael Moore's instead of letting them control the media and make every Democrat look like a raging Nancy Pelosi, they're going to be consigned to defeat in election after election. And they deserve it. The liberal fringe that dictates the Democratic Party does not represent American views, not in any substantial way. What they have is a 1968, a Gene McCarthy candidacy over and over, with motivated and idealistic people who just never seem to turn idealism into votes.

God damnit, the Democratic Party jumped the tracks somewhere and now it's right fucked.

[stafffighter]

The most severe on either side are the loudest. The only marketable alternative to the preceived theocracy that we've been presented for the republicans is the complete hippy dippy liberalism. Marketability is the enemy of sense.

[Jayemare]

At 7/8/06 01:23 AM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote: The liberal fringe that dictates the Democratic Party does not represent American views, not in any substantial way. What they have is a 1968, a Gene McCarthy candidacy over and over, with motivated and idealistic people who just never seem to turn idealism into votes.

I really hope that Dems don't adopt your strategy, because if they did they would easily take the house, senate, and presidency.

Helping the average americans seems to be the official party line for democrats. Social security, welfare, public education, low taxes on the poor, all popular programs that Americans want.

However, liberals and special interest groups have turned the party away from this and focused all of its energies on a few radical agendas, namely those of the pro-abortion, gay, and education unions. Aboriton on demand and gay marriage, two unpopular positions that dems will not move an inch on. And education is an example of how the party has betrayed its mission of helping the poor by fighting school choice across the country.

Today most people seem to want a strong defense (without an agressive foreign policy), socially conservative (no gay marriage, restricted aboriton), and economically liberal (scoial security, taxes on the rich, welfare,) policies. They also want an honest government, and dems have avoided taking flak the way republicans have for scandals. If they just embraced moderates they would be able to actually win the white house, and maybe even win it a second time, which never happens.

[JMHX]

Politics Lost by Joe Klein is a decent book on the subject of my rant.

[JMHX]

In light of recent wingnuttery on the part of both parties, I decided this requires a bump.

[MortifiedPenguins]

I agree with you here strongly and I credit you with my rise of political feelings.

Basically, I'm niether a republican nor democrat. I like to consider myself an Independent.

But what I would like is for competion in the Senate and House, and if the Democrats ever actually represent thier voters, I will have that.

JHMX, your probally the reason why I'm going to be majoring in Political Science.

[JMHX]

Yay Poli Sci.

[WolvenBear]

At 7/8/06 01:23 AM, Truthiness wrote: However, I'm not a registered Democrat. Why? Because I fear the lunatic liberal fringe of my party like no other, and I know I'm not the only one.

The Democratic party is nothing but lunatic fringe. PETA. ACLU. Soros. Moveon. CCR. Sharpton and Jackson's flocks. La Raza (and other mexican seperationists). Planned Parenthood. The list goes on....

John Kerry was just the beginning of this burgeoning liberal fringe getting back out into the public eye, finding their voice and with it a demand to dominate any discussion on the position of the Democratic Party. Howard Dean did little to help, much less that miserable Markos Moulitsas at DailyKos, or any of the number of interchangeable, pointless liberal blogs that possess some of the most self-obsessed and self-loving people in the world.

John Kerry and Dean were the latest in a long list of "lunatic fringe", going back to before Vietnam.

God damnit, the Democratic Party jumped the tracks somewhere and now it's right fucked.

Welcome to the real world.

At 7/8/06 01:43 AM, Jayemare wrote: Helping the average americans seems to be the official party line for democrats. Social security, welfare, public education, low taxes on the poor, all popular programs that Americans want.

The average American has ALWAYS been opposed to the expansion and continuance of unlimited welfare. (Hence the rise in popularity of the Republicans after teh welfare reforms.) The American people also support vouchers (or at the least public school reform) which the Dems hate. And Republicans lower taxes for everyone as Democrats RAISE them for everyone.

Today most people seem to want a strong defense (without an agressive foreign policy), socially conservative (no gay marriage, restricted aboriton), and economically liberal (scoial security, taxes on the rich, welfare,) policies. They also want an honest government, and dems have avoided taking flak the way republicans have for scandals. If they just embraced moderates they would be able to actually win the white house, and maybe even win it a second time, which never happens.

Dems don't have moderates. And considering Reagan opposed almost all of the positions of "social liberalism" (during campaign) that you say he supported....why did he win?

At 9/28/06 08:38 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote: I agree with you here strongly and I credit you with my rise of political feelings.

Basically, I'm niether a republican nor democrat. I like to consider myself an Independent.

But what I would like is for competion in the Senate and House, and if the Democrats ever actually represent thier voters, I will have that.

JHMX, your probally the reason why I'm going to be majoring in Political Science.

I used to be this way too. And even today, there's a lot I disagree with the Republicans on, but nothing I agree with the Democrats on. I may not be a firm Republican, but I know what I don't want...and that's Democrats in Power.

[Begoner]

The Democratic Party is center-right. The "lunatic fringe" to which you refer are the centrists.

[MortifiedPenguins]

At 9/29/06 04:19 PM, Begoner wrote: The Democratic Party is center-right. The "lunatic fringe" to which you refer are the centrists.

Centrists are the lunatic fringe?

[JMHX]

I'm the looney center, then.

[NorseBeast]

Apparently then I'm downright medieval.

[WolvenBear]

At 9/29/06 04:19 PM, Begoner wrote: The Democratic Party is center-right. The "lunatic fringe" to which you refer are the centrists.

The democratic party is far left. The Republican party is center right. Seeing as how every day the Republicans move farther left, the center will soon disappear.

[Athlas]

Could you explain to me what's wrong with liberalism? I'm not an American, so I suppose I have a different view on it, or maybe its evolution worked out differently in the States then it did here.

[JMHX]

At 9/30/06 06:43 AM, WolvenBear wrote:

At 9/29/06 04:19 PM, Begoner wrote:

The democratic party is far left. The Republican party is center right.

Both parties are center, albeit center-left and center-right, with fringes on the far left and right.

[Begoner]

The democratic party is far left. The Republican party is center right. Seeing as how every day the Republicans move farther left, the center will soon disappear.

Maybe by American standards. By international standards, however, both parties are center-right.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection

[JMHX]

Why would I care about international standards when I'm talking about United States elections? I don't know many voters who take into account the ideological position of their candidate Re: Germany when they're voting.

[Begoner]

Why would I care about international standards when I'm talking about United States elections?

You shouldn't. However, you should not consider the centrists a "lunatic liberal fringe" either. That's analogous to Bush being considered a radical leftist in 1940s Germany. Just because US politics are incredibly slanted towards the right doesn't make those who do not conform to that slant "lunatics."

[Memorize]

Yup.

For example. I'm Republican, Bush is republican. I'm conservative, Bush is conservative... but damn he sure is one hell of a spender.

[JMHX]

There is no way Bush is a conservative, he's much more a neo-con, Spend and Spend Republican.

[Memorize]

At 9/30/06 07:09 PM, Truthiness wrote: There is no way Bush is a conservative, he's much more a neo-con, Spend and Spend Republican.

Conservative in a sense to what people in general think of him.

[YHWH]

Bush is not conservative, and neither is a good portion of the Republican Party. An example of a true conservative: Barry Goldwater. If only, IF ONLY, the GOP had more people like Goldwater, America would be a much better place.

[Nylo]

At 9/29/06 04:19 PM, Begoner wrote: The Democratic Party is center-right. The "lunatic fringe" to which you refer are the centrists.

Does Begoner ever say anything that isn't bat-shit crazy?

I'm dead serious.

[NorseBeast]

At 9/30/06 08:18 PM, Nylo wrote: Does Begoner ever say anything that isn't bat-shit crazy?

I'm dead serious.

If you talk about him, you'll only encourage him.

But seriously, if he has, bring your winter jacket- cause hell's gonna get pretty damn cold.

[Nylo]

haha, fair enough.

I agree, JMHX. It's like both parties are being ripped apart by radical ideology. Big-government Neo-conservatives have subversed the Republicans and modern liberalism is doing the same thing to the Democrats.

Middle america is being conned into accepting one of two radical ideologies of running government when neither should be considered at all.

[MortifiedPenguins]

At 9/30/06 08:36 PM, Nylo wrote:

Middle america is being conned into accepting one of two radical ideologies of running government when neither should be considered at all.

Thats going to be my platform for Representative.

If it ever goes that far.

[JMHX]

I love conservatism, real conservatism, not this muddy-blooded shit that current Neo-Cons have come up with.

[SirXVII]

At 9/29/06 04:19 PM, Begoner wrote: The Democratic Party is center-right. The "lunatic fringe" to which you refer are the centrists.

I'm a Centrist and last I checked I wasn't a loony.

[Memorize]

At 9/30/06 11:25 PM, TheDeppmister wrote:

At 9/29/06 04:19 PM, Begoner wrote: The Democratic Party is center-right. The "lunatic fringe" to which you refer are the centrists.

I'm a Centrist and last I checked I wasn't a loony.

A centrist? A "Lunatic Fringe"? A hippy asks what he's been smokin'.

[nottoocommon]

OMG thats exactly the way i see it