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tut tut tochwood rocks get over it

At 7/25/08 01:57 PM, tejowlyinsurancedog wrote: tut tut tochwood rocks get over it

I'll admit, it's better than the majority of shit on TV nowadays.

But you can't compare it to Doctor Who in terms of quality.

Especially when every other male character likes it up the ass.

At 7/25/08 01:57 PM, tejowlyinsurancedog wrote: tut tut tochwood rocks get over it

Torchwood-

As much sex as possible
Swearing
Gay kissing to be "edgy"

I PREFER MATURE TV SHOWS FOR MATURE TELEVISION VIEWERS SUCH AS MYSELF

hurr

Torchwood is vastly better than new Doctor Who. With Torchwood, I'm surprised when it's a bad episode, with Doctor Who, I'm surprised when it's good.

At 7/25/08 02:07 PM, TheMaster wrote: Torchwood is vastly better than new Doctor Who.

I won't lie to you.

I stopped reading there.

Need I refer you to my 'Up the ass' remark?

At 7/25/08 02:14 PM, Centurion-Ryan wrote: I stopped reading there.

Need I refer you to my 'Up the ass' remark?

Torchwood isn't the best show by any stretch of the imagination, but Doctor Who with RTD in charge has been some of the worst stuff on TV. There's, what? 3 good episodes a season, tops? Probably by Moffat? Even they're not as good as everyone makes out, they're only better in comparison. Torchwood comes out with a consistent string of good, but not brilliant, episodes. It's a better show.

exactly and torch wood is a mature tv show sex is part of ppls life

you really are the most pessimistic creature in creation yes I'm talking to you themaster. doctor who is ten times better than the low-budget rubbish that is Torchwood which has a few good episodes but mostly poorly scripted and dull to the eye to watch. Dr who is what keeps the bbc alive at the moment and the only other "series" that appeals to evryone on the bbc apart from it is Robin hood which just seems to get worse and worse.

Then you are lost.

You will find a firearm to your immediate left, please put the barrel in your mouth and squeeze the trigger. You may feel a slight stinging sensation. But it will equate to the amount of retardation you have displayed. (for example, liking Torchwood over Doctor Who will cause death)

good on ya!

At 7/25/08 02:58 PM, Thestickcreator wrote: you really are the most pessimistic creature in creation yes I'm talking to you themaster. doctor who is ten times better than the low-budget rubbish that is Torchwood which has a few good episodes but mostly poorly scripted and dull to the eye to watch. Dr who is what keeps the bbc alive at the moment and the only other "series" that appeals to evryone on the bbc apart from it is Robin hood which just seems to get worse and worse.

What good episodes has Doctor Who had since the revival? You've got Moffat's ones, yeah, but just looking over the list of them, I can't pick any which stay good all the way through. Dalek is good most of the way through, but has a terrible ending, the Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways two parter is good for a bit, and then RTD shovels his politics in for no reason AGAIN by making the Daleks religious so he can go "LOL RELIGION IS BAD" when the fact that they were religious had no effect on the plot, and they just act like they always had.

Moving onto season 2, you've got Girl in the Fireplace, which is excellent, probably the best episode of the new series, but then you've got what? School Reunion and the Impossible Planet/Satan Pit two parter are watchable, but then RTD rapes the Cybermen and turns them from their own character into Daleks on legs, and then gives us a couple of terrible, terrible episodes like Love and Monsters and Fear Her.

With season 3, things looked up for a bit, with Martha being significantly better than Rose, and while the episodes weren't bad, it didn't really have any stand out episodes. Blink was about what you'd expect from Moffat, there's not much. Utopia was very well done, if only for reintroducing The Master in a more interesting way than just having him show up, but the episode just gets too ridiculous in the later parts. I mean, seriously, THINKING about him to make him hover and glow for a bit, and then some bullshit Deus Ex Machina so you don't have to deal with any of the episode's repercussions? Get fucked, Russell. The Dalek episode in the series is poor, too.

Season 4 was dreadful. Tate was shit. Really shit. Again, good episodes from Moffat, and The Doctor's Daugher was above average, but the rest range from enjoyable, but not brilliant ones like the Sontaran two parter, to absolutely awful sappy rubbish like Journey's End.

It's a shame, too, because the serious has proven that it CAN be good, with Moffat's episodes and whatnot, but Davies caters too much to 12 year old girls and not enough to fans of the original series. You read quotes of him saying he put stuff in wind up fans of the original series, which is a terrible stance for a man in charge of one of the UK's most popular TV series to take. Thank fuck Moffat is taking over.

At 7/25/08 03:18 PM, TheMaster wrote:

What good episodes has Doctor Who had since the revival? You've got Moffat's ones, yeah, but just looking over the list of them, I can't pick any which stay good all the way through. Dalek is good most of the way through, but has a terrible ending, the Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways two parter is good for a bit, and then RTD shovels his politics in for no reason AGAIN by making the Daleks religious so he can go "LOL RELIGION IS BAD" when the fact that they were religious had no effect on the plot, and they just act like they always had.

Dunno where you got that idea from about RTD and religion.

Alright, season 2 contains the worst episodes of the revival, ( love and monsters, fear her, the idiots lantern) but the cyberman episodes aren't bad, and s.reunion and the devil two parter are more than watchable.

Blink is the best episode since the seasons revived and better than most of the classic episodes. Utopia was good ALL THE WAY THROUGH, as was sound of drums. And I'll agree with you that the dalek double was the worst double since the revival.

Season 4 was the most consistent. its worst episode was its opener and the doctors daughter was poor. The sontaran double was average. Journeys end was good enough for me.

At 7/25/08 03:18 PM, TheMaster wrote: RTD shovels his politics in for no reason AGAIN by making the Daleks religious so he can go "LOL RELIGION IS BAD" when the fact that they were religious had no effect on the plot, and they just act like they always had.

That's no worse than the fact that he makes gays seem vital to society and ideal agents in Torchwood.

I'm sorry, I may be nitpicking, but that bugs the shit out of me.

At 7/25/08 03:29 PM, Thestickcreator wrote:

Dunno where you got that idea from about RTD and religion.

He came out with it in an interview a while back, that he dislikes organised religion, and I've not problem with his politics, but I don't want to hear about them in Doctor Who. It's not making the show better, it's just forced in and as such episodes have to be written around it, making them worse than they could have been. It's the same as the fucking stupid "Everyone is gay in the future" thing he has going.

Alright, season 2 contains the worst episodes of the revival, ( love and monsters, fear her, the idiots lantern) but the cyberman episodes aren't bad, and s.reunion and the devil two parter are more than watchable.

School Reunion is just "HAHA OH WOW IT'S K9", and then there's that ace bit where Mickey and K9 ram raid the school, but the villains are shit. Which is surprising, because they had Anthony Stewart Head, and he could have played a good baddy, but he's just turned into a very bland stock character instead. Regarding the Satan Pit, I don't like the Ood. It would have been way, way better if the possessed bloke, or perhaps several possessed people had been the "soldiers" of the beast instead of them.

Blink is the best episode since the seasons revived and better than most of the classic episodes.

Blink was excellent, but I preferred Girl in the Fireplace. Saying it's better than most classic is going a bit far, because it's got nothing on anything before Baker, and a lot of Baker is way better than it. It's better than most of Davison and onwards, though, but then again you could give me a stick, a piece of cardboard and a funny hat, and I could make better episodes than most of the later classic series.

Utopia was good ALL THE WAY THROUGH, as was sound of drums. And I'll agree with you that the dalek double was the worst double since the revival.

Yes, Utopia was, but the Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords parts were poor. John Simm played a good Master, but it was still crap. One good actor can't save bad writing and crap endings.

Season 4 was the most consistent. its worst episode was its opener and the doctors daughter was poor. The sontaran double was average. Journeys end was good enough for me.

Consistently bad, yeah. The Doctor's Daughter, with it's nice little twist, reminded me of a lot of classic Who, and Martha distracted you from Tate, which was good. Journey's End was terrible. Davros utterly wasted, he did fuck all during both parts of the two parter, the "Doctor-Donna" thing was almost as bad as the flying, glowing Doctor from Last of the Time Lords, and while I get that RTD was trying to tie up loose ends, most of the characters are forced in and have little effect on the plot and just mean Davies can try his hand at more of his "emotional" goodbyes, which he's terrible at.

At 7/25/08 03:37 PM, Centurion-Ryan wrote: That's no worse than the fact that he makes gays seem vital to society and ideal agents in Torchwood.

I'm sorry, I may be nitpicking, but that bugs the shit out of me.

The forced (gay) SEX AND VIOLENCE on Torchwood do spoil it a bit, but the characters are so much better than the Doctor Who cast. Tennant isn't a particularly good Doctor, and all the companions have been shit. Jack isn't that good, but he's okay, Gwen and Owen are good characters, and Tosh is definitely above average. Ianto is a bit shit, though. You even get good support characters like Rhys and that Captain John who James Marsters played.

Also, as much as you say it's forcing itself to seem adult, which it is in places, the characters are still closer to being real people than anyone on Doctor Who. It definitely requires less suspension of disbelief.

At 7/25/08 03:54 PM, TheMaster wrote: Tennant isn't a particularly good Doctor

At least he's funny.

Also, as much as you say it's forcing itself to seem adult, which it is in places, the characters are still closer to being real people than anyone on Doctor Who. It definitely requires less suspension of disbelief.

That's because the characters are all human, apart from the villains. Not omnipresent, immortal eccentric with an affinity for hair wax.

At 7/25/08 04:04 PM, Centurion-Ryan wrote: At least he's funny.

But he's not. He tries to do Tom Baker humour by pulling faces and that, but that only works when you've got fucking crazy eyes like Baker does. Besides, Baker's best bits are when he's going in huffs or just ignoring people and taunting villains. Mind, he did have Douglas Adams writing for him, which is obviously going to produce funnier stuff.

That's because the characters are all human, apart from the villains. Not omnipresent, immortal eccentric with an affinity for hair wax.

All the human characters in Doctor Who don't act like people either, though. I suppose it does have to be dumbed down a bit for the kids watching, and that's always been the case, the characters have always been relatively simple in comparison to less family oriented shows, but at least they were GOOD unbelievable characters. I mean, you've got really ace ones like Jamie or The Brigadier, who are one dimensional characters, but entertaining. The likes of Rose and Donna are one dimensional, and annoying.

Torchwood isn't much better, that Dead Ringers sketch points that out, but they are a bit deeper than Who characters.

At 7/25/08 02:56 PM, tejowlyinsurancedog wrote: exactly and torch wood is a mature tv show sex is part of ppls life

I don't know about you, but I've never had kinky homosexual sex with an alien.

At 7/25/08 07:42 PM, BlueFlameSkulls wrote:

At 7/25/08 02:56 PM, tejowlyinsurancedog wrote: exactly and torch wood is a mature tv show sex is part of ppls life

I don't know about you, but I've never had kinky homosexual sex with an alien.

Personally, I have gay sex with aliens/Welsh people about 3 times a day, but I'm always sure to leave enough time in my schedule to go and fight cannibals with a tractor.

Also, 11:40am on Sunday, there'll be a new scene up on the website.

Since it's only described as a scene, I reckon it'll be about 5 minutes long, and since they're so specific about the time, I wouldn't be surprised if it's taken off at 12. Be quick.

Or, you know, watch it on youtube.

At 7/25/08 07:47 PM, TheMaster wrote: Personally, I have gay sex with aliens/Welsh people about 3 times a day, but I'm always sure to leave enough time in my schedule to go and fight cannibals with a tractor.

It's so hard to pick out the aliens from the Welsh, they sound so alike.

Though you may want to watch out, there's this lass who turns you into dust after casual sex behind the bins.

specially filmed scene written by Russell T Davies
scene written by Russell T Davies
written by Russell T Davies
by Russell T Davies
Russel T Davies

There's a 'Do Not Want' in that sentence somewhere, but I can't figure out where.

At 7/25/08 07:53 PM, Centurion-Ryan wrote: There's a 'Do Not Want' in that sentence somewhere, but I can't figure out where.

Wikipedia says it's going to have the Graske in it, who was the alien in that rubbish interactive web thing from a while ago, and it'll be causing trouble "not just for the Doctor, but for the Proms itself".

So yeah, don't expect anything good.

Wow you guys sure do like bitch, don't you?

In my opinion the clear age difference of everyone arguing is the problem here. I think we discussed this before but the revival appeals more to kids, what with its silly moments, lack of character development and often simple plots.

Yes the classic series may also have been considered a kids show (or family show) but in this current age anything related to kids has to be dumbed down so much and censored. To satisfy the mature viewers they of coarse made Torchwood but I think that falls down because the Doctor isn't in it and what we're left with instead is a character almost but not quite entirely unlike the Doctor.

tldr: Kids watch Doctor Who for the action. Adults watch Doctor Who for the plots and character development.

Actually, I watch Doctor Who just so I can complain about it on the internet. I make notes and everything.

At 7/25/08 08:24 PM, TheMaster wrote: Actually, I watch Doctor Who just so I can complain about it on the internet. I make notes and everything.

RUSUL T DAVIS IS GHEY.
DAVUD TENANT IS CRP.
TEH EPISHODES R 2 SHRT.
ALL TEH COMPANYUNS R 1 DIMENSHUNAL.
TEH CLASSIC SRIES WUS BETTR.
TEH REVIVAL SUXXORS.

An accurate summary of what we talk about in here, perhaps?

At 7/26/08 06:12 AM, Centurion-Ryan wrote: An accurate summary of what we talk about in here, perhaps?

You missed out the bit where we all wank off Steven Moffat.

At 7/26/08 06:28 AM, TheMaster wrote:

At 7/26/08 06:12 AM, Centurion-Ryan wrote: An accurate summary of what we talk about in here, perhaps?

You missed out the bit where we all wank off Steven Moffat.

Oh yes.

STEVN MOFFAT IS GAWD.
ALL TEH UDER RITERS SUXXORS.
ESPECALLY RTD LOL.

At 7/26/08 06:12 AM, Centurion-Ryan wrote:

At 7/25/08 08:24 PM, TheMaster wrote: Actually, I watch Doctor Who just so I can complain about it on the internet. I make notes and everything.

RUSUL T DAVIS IS GHEY.
DAVUD TENANT IS CRP.
TEH EPISHODES R 2 SHRT.
ALL TEH COMPANYUNS R 1 DIMENSHUNAL.
TEH CLASSIC SRIES WUS BETTR.
TEH REVIVAL SUXXORS.

The classic series had good ideas but took ages to develop their stories, especially during the first and second doctor series. An acception to that for me is Genesis of the daleks, best serial evr.

An accurate summary of what we talk about in here, perhaps?

At 7/26/08 09:17 AM, Thestickcreator wrote: The classic series had good ideas but took ages to develop their stories, especially during the first and second doctor series.

Get fucked, Troughton has the best serials of any of the Doctors, and Hartnell is quality too. Pertwee was excellent as well, but I find Tom Baker to be VERY formulaic. Most of his serials are essentially the same story, set in a different place. Not to say he isn't good, there's excellent serials like Ark in Space, City of Death and, as you mentioned, Genesis, but a lot of it is a step down from the earlier Doctors, especially in the later serials.

Story wise:
Troughton > Pertwee > Hartnell > Tom Baker > McCoy > Davison > Eccleston > McGann > Tennant > Colin Baker

Doctor wise:
Tom Baker > Pertwee > Troughton > Hartnell > Eccleston > McGann > McCoy > Davison > Tennant > Colin Baker

At 7/26/08 09:38 AM, TheMaster wrote: Doctor wise:
Eccleston in 5th place.

Wat.