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At 10/11/06 11:04 PM, GangsterRapper wrote: Jungle is Drum and Bass. It was called jungle mainly down south and D&B up north back in the early 90's.

Go here and click on the Jungle button as soon as everything finishs loading. Then this web of lots of different genres will show up, click on the Jungle button inside the web and read the description and listen to some of the samples. Then click on the Drums N Bass button inside the web and read the description for that and listen to some of the samples. Jungle and Dnb are not synonyms.

Excuse me, guys, but don't you have the feel that you're off topic?

At 10/12/06 11:43 AM, Kirizzle wrote:

At 10/11/06 11:04 PM, GangsterRapper wrote: Jungle is Drum and Bass. It was called jungle mainly down south and D&B up north back in the early 90's.

Go here and click on the Jungle button as soon as everything finishs loading. Then this web of lots of different genres will show up, click on the Jungle button inside the web and read the description and listen to some of the samples. Then click on the Drums N Bass button inside the web and read the description for that and listen to some of the samples. Jungle and Dnb are not synonyms.

What the fuck do you know? Trust me. When I was around 14 and I first got into d.j'ing back in 1994, this was when JUNGLE hit the scene hard. I would go into record shops and ask ''have you got that jungle tune by shy FX or M.c Levi.'' I would get the response ''Ohh, that drum and bass tune'' I have been D.J ing for over 10 years I know my music.

"Nowadays the difference between jungle (or oldschool jungle) and drum and bass is a common debate within the junglist community. There is no universally accepted semantic distinction between the terms "jungle" and "drum and bass". Some associate "jungle" with older material from the first half of the 1990s (sometimes referred to as "jungle techno"), and see drum and bass as essentially succeeding jungle. Others use jungle as a shorthand for ragga jungle, a specific sub-genre within the broader realm of drum and bass. In the U.S., the combined term "jungle drum and bass" (JDB) has some popularity, but is not widespread elsewhere. Probably the widest held viewpoint is that the terms are simply synonymous and interchangeable: drum and bass is jungle, and jungle is drum and bass."

--Wikipedia

Case solved, now refrain from going off-topic all the time.
Try to keep discussion/arguing to PM'ing.
It's just annoying to watch for the rest of us.

Here are my suggestions:

1. Audio Batting Average because audio makers dont get batting average if they just make audio and not flash which is quite unfair If you have no drawing skills to show of on newgrounds. You should give them may like 0.10 for every song they upload.
2. An acoustic section of music because there is so many songs that are acoustic and people say "Oh these arent punk or metal! They are shit!" and our music gets voted down because its supposibly in the wrong section.
3. Make P-Bot have a Daily Audio like mine and Seamonkies. Me and Seamonky could maybe sort it out for MindChamber and we could maybe mail him it or give it to him over AIM or MSN. This is just a thought. I don't have to do it just figured i may be able to do something helpful on newgrounds.
4. Let us submit more than 2 audios a day. Maybe 3 or 4 but i know the audio portal will be filled up quickly and our audio wont be acknowlaged but if we had more Audio Portal Mods we could maybe help keep the score up and the reviews up a bit more.
5. Make the design of the audio portal a bit more bright and colourful. It looks quite dull and boring and i think thats why people don't like it or go on it.
6. I know this isnt a suggestion but here goes. In the rules it says that 100 flash submissions are submitted every day. Only about 10 out of the 100 use audio portal songs. They mostly use famous songs so that people recognise them and go "Hey i love that song! I'm voting 5 on it!" Maybe people on newgrounds should use more audio portal music. It acually gets your score up a bit more because the author of that song usually votes on it and ask alot of his friends to do the same. If more people knew about the AP i think more people would use it and respect it.

Thank You For Reading My Suggestions!

At 10/13/06 11:59 AM, Arbiter wrote: "Nowadays the difference between jungle (or oldschool jungle) and drum and bass is a common debate within the junglist community. There is no universally accepted semantic distinction between the terms "jungle" and "drum and bass". Some associate "jungle" with older material from the first half of the 1990s (sometimes referred to as "jungle techno"), and see drum and bass as essentially succeeding jungle. Others use jungle as a shorthand for ragga jungle, a specific sub-genre within the broader realm of drum and bass. In the U.S., the combined term "jungle drum and bass" (JDB) has some popularity, but is not widespread elsewhere. Probably the widest held viewpoint is that the terms are simply synonymous and interchangeable: drum and bass is jungle, and jungle is drum and bass."

--Wikipedia

Someone else on another forum quoted wiki and said pretty much my point on the issue. Someone else said, fuck it, it doesnt matter, dnb and jungle, we're all junglists anyway. I'm now out of this til i have somethin relevant to the thread to say.

Case solved, now refrain from going off-topic all the time.
Try to keep discussion/arguing to PM'ing.
It's just annoying to watch for the rest of us.

Its not THAT off topic, its dealing with a detail of a wider issue, but yeah, to argue over it anymore is a waste of time imo, if only cos i'm sure i'm right :P

So, audio changes i reckon we should have, some of them have been pillaged from other people, and i cba lookin up who right now:

1. Thumbs up/down. Either boost a track you like, or hate it. Its pretty much what goes on anyway with 0's and 5's.

2. split the genres into a few more categories, make it easier for flash artists to find the exact sound they want.

3. Split the genres into longer traks and short loops, maybe with the possibility of saying how many bars loop it is as another property of the track, like the date if you see what i mean.

4. Having to listen to at least some of the track before giving a score. If you were forced to listen to something totally shite though, like when people just bump up total shite, and then not being able to hate on it would be silly.

5. I forget, anything else?

At 7/3/06 10:13 AM, MindChamber wrote: all good ideas folks

they're alright but, too many audios come in, and not enough audio views, so b/p for audio wouldn't go far, you would have to regulate like instead of 200 views lower it to 20 or around there, and the batting average wouldn't work since they're aren't enough voters so basically someone could just 5 all their audio submission and have a perfect score..although audio profile awards would be a good thing.

My ones:

Batting average at audio.
Bookmark your fav. songs and producers.
Making the download awards better (not the gold one at 500, that sucks, start at 200)
And more genres, especially in the Pop category and in the techno category.
Flaggin audio just with a good description why it's not allowed btw. stolen.
More audio mods, best way: Every genre two mods.

And yes it would be fine to change the upload limit from 4mb to, lemme say 5mb. ^^

CUSTOM GENRES:
If your genre isnt on the list, you enter it in a field.

Then you can have whatever crazy-ass subgenre you want. So long as losers dont abuse it by making the genre 'awesome' or 'your mother'

EDIT SHIT:
And FFS. Option to edit audio submissions.

I am so sick of having to upload a NEW track whenever I make an necessary adjustment to a song, think about all the extra room on the AP that will be freed up when people can actually edit old submissions instead of throwing more onto their pile of recent songs mixed with crappy i-just-got-this-new-music-software-songs.

At 10/18/06 06:32 AM, Sto0g3 wrote: CUSTOM GENRES:
If your genre isnt on the list, you enter it in a field.

Then you can have whatever crazy-ass subgenre you want. So long as losers dont abuse it by making the genre 'awesome' or 'your mother'

Where would those be sorted? Either they would never be found, or you`d see under misc. a lot of genres with one or two submissions in each.

EDIT SHIT:
And FFS. Option to edit audio submissions.

I am so sick of having to upload a NEW track whenever I make an necessary adjustment to a song, think about all the extra room on the AP that will be freed up when people can actually edit old submissions instead of throwing more onto their pile of recent songs mixed with crappy i-just-got-this-new-music-software-songs.

Best. Idea. EVER. Seriously!
BTW, how do I replace old song with redone versions of it?
It seems like everyone does it, but I don`t know how :(

I think we should get rid of that annoying, yet brilliant ParagonX9 music and have a little podcast to the right, promoting a new song each week, so each artist can get some sort of recognition.

And a hot dog maker...

Ok, I've been redirected here, so now that I'm in the right place, heres the dream.. :D

How about instead of having the rater seperate from the review, you add a category beside the 'Overall' that is out of five, and that is where your rate is shown, so it shows others (or just the author if that is how you want to set it up) what someone rated it, then you can press under 'Was this review helpful?' and the answers you could choose would be 'Yes', 'No', 'Abusive' and 'Bomb'. Yes and no are just opinions, consistantly abusive reviews can result in trouble of course, and a review marked as 'Bomb' by enough users would be nullified, the review would stay, but because that amount given to the song is kept record of, and the experience total of the user at the time could be recorded, so as to be able to completely undo a bomb, and if you have reviewed a song and your review was 'spotted' then it also prevents you from reviewing that song again. Consistant review bombing would result in a suspension of the ability to review. Some examples... (The answer chosen will be in capitols).

Good review:

This was great! Overall: 9 Rate: 4
Reviewed by: Mataro
This was a nearly flawless piece, although it had a few annoying issues,
the sound seemed somewhat distorted and was out of sync in some
places. Nice job anyway, the piano and electric guitar oddly sounded
quite in harmony with eachother, and fitted the beat well. Keep it up!

Originality: 8 Clarity: 7 Diversity: 9 Effort: 10
Was this review helpful? 'YES' 'no 'abusive' 'bomb'

And so that review would stay and it could inform others what you thought of the review, where as a review like this...

Bomb Review:

.... Overall: 0 Rate:0
Reviewed by: Mataro
...
Originality: 0 Clarity: 0 Diversity: 0 Effort: 0
Was this review helpful? 'yes' 'no' 'abusive' 'BOMB'

And that review after being flagged would automatically be deleted and I would have been prohibited from reviewing this song again, if my giving it a zero dropped its score from a 4 to a 2.30, then when my review gets deleted, it would raise the score up the amount it was dropped, in comparison to the amount of rates it has been given and whatnot, so that might mean that the score is 3.90 when my review gets its final gasp of air, and that might raise the song up to 4.20.

Of course its up to the user to decide whether a review is being abusive, or just bombing, but one should be able to select both in case it turned out to be both.

And so you don't have to wade through a bunch of crappy reviews, you could also set it so that in default it shows the order of reviews chronologically, or you could set it to show reviews starting from the most helpful. It would keep count of the amount of times a review has been marked as helpful and unhelpful, so that you can easily filter through the poor reviews to read the interesting ones.

Also, it wouldn't just take one flagging to delete a review of course, it would take multiple, possibly dependent on the amount of reviews a particular song has in total, so its all dependent on how many people would come through the area, the more traffic, the more people it will take to knock out a bad review, lets say a minimum of 10 flags, and then it goes up to whatever a quarter of the total reviews were, so up to 40 reviews would mean it takes 10 flags, 48 reviews will require 12 flags to knock out a review, and 80 would require 20 flags to knock out a bogus review. Make sense? That would prevent reviews from being knocked off quickly without good reason on songs that have many reviews, one person doesn't see the same as the rest but isn't bombing, then it will take more to clear out that review so as to prevent people from unjustly deleting reviews.

This would likely be a long way off, but it may be something to shoot for. :D Feel free to elaborate!

maek it all kewl n stuff kthxbai

Fix the review system Matoro? More like?

Reviewed by: GoldenCat

shi ur musik rly sux, myne is much bett0r. gtfo the audio protal.

Originality: 0 Clarity: 0 Diversity: 0 Effort: 0 Overall: 0

Was this review helpful? [Yes] [No] [Abusive] [ELECTRICUTE]

At 10/25/06 05:17 PM, Khuskan wrote: Fix the review system Matoro? More like?

Reviewed by: GoldenCat

shi ur musik rly sux, myne is much bett0r. gtfo the audio protal.

Originality: 0 Clarity: 0 Diversity: 0 Effort: 0 Overall: 0

Was this review helpful? [Yes] [No] [Abusive] [ELECTRICUTE]

Yes, NOW THAT would be nice. Haha, but basically, it just gives users the ability to band together to reverse damage done by bombers, I think it would work great :D

One thing i Dont like About the audio portal is the score Like eg if someone vote 5 and another person vote zero then the score goes to 2.50 thats kinda unfair.
it should be like higher than that like 4.15 or something

At 10/30/06 04:52 PM, Carbo wrote: One thing i Dont like About the audio portal is the score Like eg if someone vote 5 and another person vote zero then the score goes to 2.50 thats kinda unfair.
it should be like higher than that like 4.15 or something

This would cause imbalancing.
This finds the average of something, try (0+5)/2 to see why.
It's really not unfair at all, it just gives more voting power in the beginning.

At 10/30/06 05:45 PM, Arbiter wrote:

At 10/30/06 04:52 PM, Carbo wrote: One thing i Dont like About the audio portal is the score Like eg if someone vote 5 and another person vote zero then the score goes to 2.50 thats kinda unfair.
it should be like higher than that like 4.15 or something

This would cause imbalancing.
This finds the average of something, try (0+5)/2 to see why.
It's really not unfair at all, it just gives more voting power in the beginning.

You could fix that problem by having the votes of newbies count less than those of experienced voters, like they do in the flash portal. Only newbies vote 0 (unless the song is trully awful).

My favourite idea comes from IAmMark:
"the best idea i have would be for people to have to write a review if they voted under a certain score which may deter some people from even bothering due to pure laziness."

From this thread:
http://newgrounds.co../topic.php?id=593967

Ehh.. Your voting power is determined by your level, is it not? Or is this only in flash?

At 11/2/06 10:30 PM, SadSpoon wrote: Can we just get rid of Mataro? PLX?

nah, jk

I'm very relieved to see you were kidding, because without Mataro no one would have poopies.

Mataro is the magical poop faerie and sprinkles people with his magical Ex Lax during the night.

At 11/2/06 10:40 PM, Mataro wrote:

At 11/2/06 10:30 PM, SadSpoon wrote: Can we just get rid of Mataro? PLX?

nah, jk

I'm very relieved to see you were kidding, because without Mataro no one would have poopies.

Mataro is the magical poop faerie and sprinkles people with his magical Ex Lax during the night.

huh

My ideas...

1) Make the voting system less important in the score. Make it go up the charts by unique listens and downloads as well, with only one from one IP address counted. In other words if someone listens to the whole song they probably liked it. If not, it doesn't count.

2) Songs should have to work their way up the chart and not start at the top and get voted down. Just like in real life. Maybe make voting more of a cumulative effect. If somebody votes zero or a one then they haven't done as much damage.

3) Make it so we can see how many votes it gets and what the votes are in a graph... Not who voted but what the vote was.

3) Add catogories for Production. Performance and Creativity. The other ones are too hard to rate.

4) Make the A-bot charts go by number of votes as well. If a song has 50, three votes it's probably better than a song that has 1, five vote. This would probably make poeple submit earlier in the week so that they could get more votes..

4) Ability to delete songs or change them

At 12/7/06 05:00 PM, ParagonX9 wrote: When you would visit someones audiopage you should hear Audio loops made by that
user running on the background, like on the Audio frontpage now...
Users can modify the short loops from their profile,

It should also be very useful for playing short preview tracks for the listener for an
upcomming new song, And that the listener can vote "Finish it!" or "Don't finish it!"
+ a little "things you should improve/add..." message option..
(these vote results and messages should be private, only visible for the Audio-Artist) =]

Some good ideas there Paragonx9

but the thing about the scores and whatnot, only being viewable by the author is not quite gonna work, I feel.

as there will need to be some kind of chart for the flash artists to find what they like. so the zerovoters will still know who to downvote, so they can get there tracks higher in the charts

Yah, I think the biggest thing now is the little flash banner in the AP.

I think the Audio portal needs a COMPLETE upgrade! More genres, a better layout, a better banner, everything! Lets have everything updated, so people dont look down on us anymore!
^_^

I think audio portal should be less strict on submitting audio files because every thing i try doesnt work and ive downloaded so much crap 2 getit to work but it doesnt

I would kinda like a thing that alerts you whenever an artist you like uploads a song, because I have alotta favorites, but they don't have a way to announce their new songs to everyone very well.

Wow a lot of great suggestions there! I think there should be a Favourite Music Content and Favourite Music Artists in people's profiles just like the flash ones. Music deserves no less! Anyway I think there should also be an option in your profile "People who liked you audio submissions" and "People who like YOU as a music maker" you know what I mean. Maybe make it have a judgement system just like the flash portal does? Daily top 5 and all that. And daily awards. And make people only rate the audio if ONLY they review it. Because if someone doesn't give a good reason for 0'ing them they can get banned. You know. Easier to catch those who just 0 and people will get more reviews too

two words ok vocal reviews simple basis and with todays technology who knows