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Don't know why I'm reviving this topic but...

disclaimer - I have not read EVERY post so this may have already been mentioned

How about a weighted vote based on batting averages?

To vote on audio, you'd either have to be a flash or audio contributor with a batting average that could determine the additional weight given to your vote...

eg:
New Account - no submissions - doesn't get a multiplier or possibly doesn't get a vote
Flash author - batting average of 2.5 - vote is worth an additional 50%
Audio artist - batting average (to be added?) of 3.5 - vote is worth an additional 70%

This way, zeroes wouldn't be nearly as damaging - unless they are handed out by very experienced contributors with high batting averages...

Well I've read some posts and I say: the ranking should be made by the reviews. So at least these reatrded jerks who always score 0 to the songs have to write something. But I think there should be a minimun character amount that should be written in the review, so one-word revs and some short but nonsens stuff won't be acceptable with the lov scores.
Another thing that I'm agreed with is that the submitter of tha audios could manage his own stuff. So if you want to change an already existing submisson (because you made some volume level changes but nothing else - so the tracks structure is the same), by re-submitting it, change the title, description etc.

Peple make fun to over download theirs track. So we should be able to download the track only once in a certain delay. That's my Idea.

At 9/14/06 11:52 AM, LJCoffee wrote: This way, zeroes wouldn't be nearly as damaging - unless they are handed out by very experienced contributors with high batting averages...

AKA, me. I still go around and zero a few things so they aren't stuck at ridiculously high scores all the time. Just evens out the portal a bit. I mean no harm.

At 9/14/06 01:06 PM, BlackNoise wrote: AKA, me. I still go around and zero a few things so they aren't stuck at ridiculously high scores all the time. Just evens out the portal a bit. I mean no harm.

lol - wow man - that's a pretty dickish thing to do - heh heh.

I'm sending the audio mafia over to your house to rough you up a little - no lube either!

At 9/14/06 02:07 PM, LJCoffee wrote:

At 9/14/06 01:06 PM, BlackNoise wrote: AKA, me. I still go around and zero a few things so they aren't stuck at ridiculously high scores all the time. Just evens out the portal a bit. I mean no harm.

lol - wow man - that's a pretty dickish thing to do - heh heh.

I'm sending the audio mafia over to your house to rough you up a little - no lube either!

leave me outta this!

lol..

if i catch you in the vg genre zenon - or that you've ever zeroed any of my stuff - you're going DOOOWN! :P

At 9/14/06 02:52 PM, Chronamut wrote: if i catch you in the vg genre zenon - or that you've ever zeroed any of my stuff - you're going DOOOWN! :P

I don't think I have up to date. I may have like, WAY in the past :P

I think like next to the 'contact author' and 'reply with quote' buttons there should be a 'Listen to this artists music' or to make it smaller a 'my audio' button that'll directly link them to there audio page. That'll be easier for musicians and flash artist alike.

I dont know if someone said it already

At 7/3/06 02:34 PM, xXDathDalerXx wrote: i don't think there should be a turd award for the audio portal...& if you want any reason why just go look at fat badgers flash submissions

Also, if audio cannot be blammed, how can it get turd of the week? That means it would just go to a song with a 0 in score. Unless there's an idea that I missed which involves blamming of audio submissions.

But not all turd of the weeks are bad. This one I believe is quite funny.

Okay Guys, I noticed this thread, and have taken the time to read everything all of you have said, a lot of you have made some awesome suggestions, I like the idea that some guy mentioned about halfway through (sorry dude I forgot your name) about the idea on adapting the search so that you can filter through tracks of a varying size, which would easily help you find a suitable loop or full length track. aswell as incorporating the other variables which are logged, but not used, such as platinum/gold status etc...

Okay another point that I would like to make, that another one of you very briefly touched on (again sorry i forgot your name too)

relating to the miscellaneous category. but I can't remember what you said about it, but I feel some changes need to be done about it, as stated below!

well as you all know, there is absolutely tons of audio in there, which is offputting for anybody wanting to look for audio. no one wants to have to look through all of that, to hear all of it just to find a suitable track for their potential flash submission

well in relation to that I would like to suggest that, in the review of the audio (somewhere) I think reviewees should be able to decide what genre they feel, any particular track, in the misc category, fits into, I feel it should be mandatory too. based on the numbers of people voting for a particular genre to fit that piece into. that would, based on votes, shift those tracks into their rightful categories. hopefully over time, eradicating the need for that Misc category.

I know myself, from one of the submissions I've made. that it's hard to choose which genre it fits into, I would have the trouble of deciding between a few options, so Misc seems to be the easy way out.

To elaborate a little more, maybe the Authors could choose more than one category that they feel their tracks fit into (by way of genre), and then the reviewees could pick one of the Authors genre choices, and again over many reviews, the problem of the misc category could be solved

I see the Misc category as a kind of "purgatory" whilst the decision is being made to decide which genre it truly fits into

What do you guys think about this? maybe you could help take this a little step further with some suggestions too!!!

I Don't know, but I feel the same as you guys, some much needed changes are needed in the Audio Portal

Peace Out

Stealth

you know how theres a reviews by ______ in everyones profile? how about we have something similar but for votes? we can then tell if someones a zero voter.

At 9/16/06 01:07 PM, arby wrote: we can then tell if someones a zero voter.

Disasterous.

At 9/16/06 01:07 PM, arby wrote: we can then tell if someones a zero voter.

That would cause unnessecary hate in the portal among you people who care about scores.

yeah i gotta agree with you on that, it would cause unneccesary hate in the newgrounds arena. i think there have been some good suggestions about how to tackle the 0 voters problem, all we need is for the Fulps to dip in a read some of the great suggestions.

so guys what did yo uthink about the Miscellaneous option I suggested above? I mean do any of you agree that it should perhaps be dealt with?

cos it's unlikely anyone wanting to use audio for their flash, will want to dip into the Misc category, it's just too vast

The Drum n Bass section is getting to the stage where it must be updated into defferant genres.

Like the ones used at this site.

Also, notice that our rock section could be bigger. Check it out.

At 10/8/06 02:14 PM, Wavedude wrote: The Drum n Bass section is getting to the stage where it must be updated into defferant genres.

Like the ones used at this site.

Also, notice that our rock section could be bigger. Check it out.

um...if they started doing that they'd have to do that for every genre that has sub genre's, take heavy metal for example, there's hundreds of sub-genres of that, and it gets to a point where it just gets plain silly

OKAYZ! I gots like the best idea EVA for you whining-zero-vote-victim-bastards. How about...

WE TAKE OUT THE ZERO VOTE ALTOGETHER!

Omg! Revolutionary! Then, everyone will just 1 vote you... and the cycle goes on. The assholes are always going to be assholes, no matter how much you change the system. This is Newgrounds, remember that, and if you don't like getting zero raped, then don't upload your music here.

take out the 0-5 system then have a thumbs up/thumbs down system instead.

Seriously, who uses 1-4 anyway? If you vote lower than the current score of a track you like (i.e you vote 4 and its current score is 4.2) then you're essentialy downvoting it anyway.

Or a slider, (5/5) . (10/10)

1 ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 5

A separation in the genres between lengthy tracks and short loops would be good, as good short loops get lower scores than lengthier tracks, even if the lengthier track isnt as tightly produced.

This thread is still going strong i pm'd tom about a long time ago i wonder which suggestions he will use....

At 10/8/06 06:34 PM, Khuskan wrote: take out the 0-5 system then have a thumbs up/thumbs down system instead.

Seriously, who uses 1-4 anyway? If you vote lower than the current score of a track you like (i.e you vote 4 and its current score is 4.2) then you're essentialy downvoting it anyway.

I think this is a great idea. i think that flash movies and music have very different scales of opinion. I can't remember the last time i voted something that wasn't a 0, 4, or 5 on an audio.

i think it should have a system more like the alphas section, though, where you have a thumbs up, down, or in the middle, so we can get a little more accurate info.

More indications of what kind of song is on the "newest entries", perhaps like the FP where you see a score when highlighting the flash.. Something that definitley should excist is project-name, meaning you as a user could split up your own Audio in different projects. This mean you wouldn´t have to create a brand new account to "start all over"...

how about this one. this may piss off a lot of people, but how about you can only vote once youve streamed the song and heard it all the way through? this isnt a great idea, just a different one that im throwing out there

At 10/11/06 11:30 AM, HouseMasta wrote: how about this one. this may piss off a lot of people, but how about you can only vote once youve streamed the song and heard it all the way through? this isnt a great idea, just a different one that im throwing out there

I like it, it's a good one. The songs in the AP should be streamed and you can't vote until you have listened to 30% of the whole song.

It's probably been mentioned before, but I think a voting system would be good. Just like the flash portal.

I doubt this is possible, but a way putting music into the correct genres. There's to many hard house tunes being classed as trance, there's music in the D&B genre that well, I don't know what it is. You get the picture?

I wouldn't mind a breakbeat area, but then you have to distinguish between Nu-Skool breaks, Old-Skool breaks, general breaks, hip hop breaks and so on. That could get a little confusing. So you could break Genres down with sub categorys.

Drum 'n' Bass
-Breakcore
-Jungle
-Tech Step

The rest below are new features that might be good.

What about having music videos in the Audio area? All made with flash of course. It might get the flash and audio users mixing again.

There could be a random list of songs somewhere that need reviews or need a vote.

There could be a proper and in depth tutorial section submitted by users. I'm sure someone could come up with some sort of default template page for us to download so we can add a tutorial to it and upload it again for other users to learn from.

The uploading of project files?

I have loads of ideas.

oh also, lets have a better setup for Weekly AP. thats a given. maybe have a commity of people who dont submit music decide. anyway, theyre should also be a DAILY FEATURE!!

At 10/11/06 02:39 PM, GangsterRapper wrote: Drum 'n' Bass
-Breakcore
-Jungle
-Tech Step

Like wtf have you been smoking? DnB was derived from Jungle, not the other way around.

At 10/11/06 03:38 PM, Kirizzle wrote:

At 10/11/06 02:39 PM, GangsterRapper wrote: Drum 'n' Bass
-Breakcore
-Jungle
-Tech Step

Like wtf have you been smoking? DnB was derived from Jungle, not the other way around.

Does it matter?

Anyway, Drum and Bass and Jungle were the same thing. Depending on what part of the U.K you came from determined what you called it. Anyway D&B/Jungle was an offshoot of Hardcore/Oldskool Rave.

D&B/Jungle produced more offshoots such as Tech Step.

At 10/11/06 10:11 PM, GangsterRapper wrote: Anyway, Drum and Bass and Jungle were the same thing. Depending on what part of the U.K you came from determined what you called it. Anyway D&B/Jungle was an offshoot of Hardcore/Oldskool Rave.

Jungle was derived from Oldskool Rave Hardcore and has some Ragga influence as well, then Drum N Bass was derived from Jungle, just as Techstep and Jazzstep were. So DnB is not a synonym of Jungle, but a sub-category/genre. This would be accurate:

Jungle
- Drums N Bass
- Techstep
- Jazzstep

It just bothered me when you made it look like Jungle was derived from DnB, since that's like saying a daughter is pregnant with her mother.