Are we all worth the same?

[Best-Of]

i want the american users to answer this!
Is an american, white christian man worth more than a dark-skinned islami woman?

In my opinion, no!!!!
All the peole are worth the same!!!!

[DrNatchKilder]

Although i'm not american, i agree with you.

how can somebody say that he/she is superior to another person?

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At 2/16/03 03:50 PM, Dr_Natch_Kilder wrote: Although i'm not american, i agree with you.

how can somebody say that he/she is superior to another person?

Hey, I ain't american, either....I'm finnish....

[VasIndustries]

I am an America. That is, I live on land labeled America, and believe in the principles it was started on. Please, don't pigeon-hole me with the war mongerers, although I'm sure most countries think most Americans follow the thoughts of their "leader".

Anyway, I believe in total equality. Equality in sex, race, creed, nationality, and so forth. It doesn't make sense for one person to be better than another based on birth given properties, and things that are beyond either person's control.

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At 2/16/03 04:08 PM, VasIndustries wrote: I am an America. That is, I live on land labeled America, and believe in the principles it was started on. Please, don't pigeon-hole me with the war mongerers, although I'm sure most countries think most Americans follow the thoughts of their "leader".

Anyway, I believe in total equality. Equality in sex, race, creed, nationality, and so forth. It doesn't make sense for one person to be better than another based on birth given properties, and things that are beyond either person's control.

People in Finland mostly think amercans are like Bush...if we're wrong, correckt me....I'd be happy to hear that people like Bush are rare....

[VasIndustries]

People in Finland mostly think amercans are like Bush...if we're wrong, correckt me....I'd be happy to hear that people like Bush are rare....

Well, as the protest yesterday showed, there are people in America that aren't anything like Bush. However, I have met many a people that are captivated with the idea of sending as many warheads as America is capable of creating into Iraq. This is only a report from Northern New Jersey though. Keep in mind, we had ringside seats for 9/11. I don't know how much that matters, but it could be a factor.

My friends and I are entirely against the Iraq campaign, but I know others that go along with the crowd to evade being a black sheep. That, or they just like death and destruction... until it happens to them of course.

[MarijuanaClock]

At 2/16/03 03:37 PM, Markus_Kangas wrote: i want the american users to answer this!
Is an american, white christian man worth more than a dark-skinned islami woman?

In my opinion, no!!!!
All the peole are worth the same!!!!

Obviously it is to an American. More people die daily from poverty and hunger then all of those who died on september 11th. More civilians were murdered in afganistan then all of those who died on september 11th.

The majority of Americans only care about loss of life when it directly affects them. To say otherwise is being ignorant of America's actions in the past.

[Ted-Easton]

What is the point of discriminating against, insulting, or finding fault with someone's race, sex, sexual orientation, etc.?
It's like saying "Ha Ha, you have blue eyes!".
It's something they can't change, can't influence, and is in no way caused by them.

[MarijuanaClock]

At 2/16/03 06:10 PM, Ted_Easton wrote: What is the point of discriminating against, insulting, or finding fault with someone's race, sex, sexual orientation, etc.?
It's like saying "Ha Ha, you have blue eyes!".
It's something they can't change, can't influence, and is in no way caused by them.

You can change the way the world percieves you though. Sure sterotyping all Americans is not right, but the fact is Americans have a history of being a arrogant, greedy, and decietful. That didn't come from nowhere, there is a reason for such a sterotype. Although not all Americans fit the profile, a great majority of them re-enforce this sterotype daily.

[CaptainOlimar]

In general, people suck. A Utopian society is a mere distant dream.

There is a wording of the U.S. Constitution that I disagree with. I could be worded better:
---"...that all men were created equal..."---
This is just not true. Naturally, some kid down the street is probably able to jump a lot higher, or run faster than me, or whatever. It should read:
"...that all people were created with the right to equal opportunities..."

[JMHX]

There is a wording of the U.S. Constitution that I disagree with. I could be worded better:
---"...that all men were created equal..."---
This is just not true. Naturally, some kid down the street is probably able to jump a lot higher, or run faster than me, or whatever. It should read:
"...that all people were created with the right to equal opportunities..."

I don't think the fathers of the United States were thinking about sports when they were penning the parchement. Just a thought. I always thought they had morality and dignity more at heart while writing than basketball. I might be wrong.

[implodinggoat]

At 2/16/03 06:29 PM, MarijuanaClock wrote: You can change the way the world percieves you though. Sure sterotyping all Americans is not right, but the fact is Americans have a history of being a arrogant, greedy, and decietful. That didn't come from nowhere, there is a reason for such a sterotype. Although not all Americans fit the profile, a great majority of them re-enforce this sterotype daily.

Man I hate this sort of hypocrisy. I can't see how you can make an argument about how it is alright to stereotype Americans while argueing that judging Islamic people by their skin is wrong....neither is acceptable.

[implodinggoat]

Judging a countrys government based on its stances is fine but expanding that disdain to a nations people is totally unjust.

[implodinggoat]

At 2/16/03 07:35 PM, wiseguy316 wrote: In general, people suck. A Utopian society is a mere distant dream.

There is a wording of the U.S. Constitution that I disagree with. I could be worded better:
---"...that all men were created equal..."---
This is just not true. Naturally, some kid down the street is probably able to jump a lot higher, or run faster than me, or whatever. It should read:
"...that all people were created with the right to equal opportunities..."

The constitution is reffering to the fact that under the government all men are equal before the law. Thus everyone is entitled to the same rights it is not claiming that everyone is equal in ability.

[UnderWater]

according to 9-11 some people are worth a lot more than others. 3000 white, American, people died. The whole world cried out in horror and did the "one-minute-of-honour" oh how bad it was for all the poor Americans and all those little children whose mommy AND daddy were killed. Sure as hell

But in Africa, hundreds of thousands of people die of AIDS every year, if not more. Children are born with the goddam disease, while their family is burying their parents. Dead at birth, as some say.
Black, African people. And I've never heard that "minute-of-honour" for them. Nor for all the Palestine kids who are killed by a lost bullit. So please, have you held that minute "tacit" for all the American people and went on drinking coffee while reading on children with AIDS, and then answer this question again.

[JMHX]

The world is a cruel, unfair place. We must learn to deal with it.

[Big-Boss-Man]

Everybody looks different and everybody is the same.

[kremlorn]

At 2/18/03 11:31 AM, UnderWater wrote: according to 9-11 some people are worth a lot more than others. 3000 white, American, people died. The whole world cried out in horror and did the "one-minute-of-honour" oh how bad it was for all the poor Americans and all those little children whose mommy AND daddy were killed. Sure as hell

But in Africa, hundreds of thousands of people die of AIDS every year, if not more. Children are born with the goddam disease, while their family is burying their parents. Dead at birth, as some say.
Black, African people. And I've never heard that "minute-of-honour" for them. Nor for all the Palestine kids who are killed by a lost bullit. So please, have you held that minute "tacit" for all the American people and went on drinking coffee while reading on children with AIDS, and then answer this question again.

Dont make into another black vs. white issue. You make it seem that the thousands of people that died on 9/11 were only white. Strange, the bodies I saw falling from the towers were not all white. Hmm, maybe the TV channel you were viewing didnt show everything?

By the way, how much money do you contribute to the AIDS fund for Africa? Or for the relief of Palestine? How about the Israelis? Are you sending them any money so that they can recover from the murders of their civilians? It is impossible to help everyone. One must prioritize. What is more valuable to you: your countrymen or some people that you cannot relate to in a distant land?

The world cried out at the 9/11 attacks because they were witnessing the act of murder, not death by poverty. If 3000 New Yorkers died of famine or AIDS, the world would not make as big a deal out of it.

[semaGdniM]

The world is a nasty place but we have to deal with that kind of crap. Yes everyone should be respected and treated equally, but today's world could never produce that. As long as people have free thought, they will have hate. We all have something we hate.
Some people hate other types of people. And what makes it worse is that if you say you hate a racist, you're a prejudice. Yes it would be great to have a eutopia and equal treatment, but until humans are responsible enough to have it, it will never come.

[Sweden-Forever]

we're all born equal but then we're hit with life. as soon as we leave the womb we're not equal. depends on the society

[Nevah73]

As was stated before, all humans are born equal, but the world, society, leaders, prejudices, civilization and social constructs change that, at least in the eyes of the general populous.

[JMHX]

At 2/19/03 05:33 PM, Nevah73 wrote: As was stated before, all humans are born equal, but the world, society, leaders, prejudices, civilization and social constructs change that, at least in the eyes of the general populous.

Which is why corruption is always going to be there. Give one man more power over someone else, and they'll eventually abuse it. Even to the smallest extent, this abuse will lead to topics like this coming up and making all of us discuss it. I'm not trashing the topic, either. Just using it as an example.

[implodinggoat]

At 2/19/03 05:33 PM, Nevah73 wrote: As was stated before, all humans are born equal, but the world, society, leaders, prejudices, civilization and social constructs change that, at least in the eyes of the general populous.

We are not all born equal. Some people are born smarter or stronger than others (note this isn't a rascism thing or anything like that don't turn it into one). All men are entitled to equal treatment before the law, but all men are not inherently equal.

[JMHX]

We are not all born equal. Some people are born smarter or stronger than others (note this isn't a rascism thing or anything like that don't turn it into one). All men are entitled to equal treatment before the law, but all men are not inherently equal.

That's true, and it's not going to change. However, if we base all of our judgements on physical conditions (not doing the racist thing, per your request), then it will truly prevent any progress in our system. All men (and women) are equal in the eyes of the law. That's what should be seen.

[Perseph0ne6]

Of course you cannot determine a person's worth based on their skin color.

BUT here's a more challenging question, is one person worth more than another based on thier actions? Or their character? Or niether/both?

For example, am I - a broke ass college student- worth more than a serial killer if I am an essentially good and caring person?

OR when any one dies should we "ask not for whom the bell tolls" and simply morn because they were human?

What makes us really worth more or less??

(forget bull shit like race, gender, sexuality and so on.)

[JMHX]

For example, am I - a broke ass college student- worth more than a serial killer if I am an essentially good and caring person?

This is an intriguing question. That all depends on whether you view all humans as universally equal, or if human character changes it all. Hmm...personally, I think that this could also apply to all are created equal under the law. The serial killer would then be worth less and most people would walk away happy.

[implodinggoat]

At 2/19/03 09:46 PM, Perseph0ne6 wrote: Of course you cannot determine a person's worth based on their skin color.

BUT here's a more challenging question, is one person worth more than another based on thier actions? Or their character? Or niether/both?

For example, am I - a broke ass college student- worth more than a serial killer if I am an essentially good and caring person?

OR when any one dies should we "ask not for whom the bell tolls" and simply morn because they were human?

There are over 6 billion human beings on the face of the planet, with that many people around human brotherhood means little to me. Thousands of innocent people die every day of famine or diseease. Death is the natural order of things and with its constant presence I lack both the time or compassion to care for every degenerate that dies.

[NEMESiSZ]

It would be so nice if we were all equal, but hey, I can't honestly say I give a shit about some asshole sitting in a stick hut in Rwanda, or some palestinian thinking of how to bring bombs into the airport.

[Shaunt]

Well, the president is worth more than a ho-bo on a street corner.

Bill Gates is worth more than a crack dealer/

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At 2/20/03 12:15 AM, Shaunt wrote: Well, the president is worth more than a ho-bo on a street corner.

Bill Gates is worth more than a crack dealer/

Why?
Have the "ho-bo" or the crack-dealer been given an other option????
Have they been told what is to be concidered wrong or right???