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At 2/27/03 10:11 AM, TheEvilOne wrote:

But still, don't you think that other nations would be reluctant to invade a country where everyone and their dog carried a weapon?

'Other' nations are reluctant to invade Europe too.

For one thing we are not talking about the Netherlands.We are talking about American's Gun control problem. Now Comeing from a True Military stand point (US Navy). First off Limiting and restricting the general public by saying you can no longer bare arms, would make the counrty far more dangerous to ourselves then it already is, the black market would easly pick up off that and the people who you would never trust with a gun could easly get them, and use them on the semi-helpless people. Our people sleep better at night knowing we have a loaded gun under our pillow just waiting to Blast the stupid MF who didn't bother listing to the Brink's home security signs thats trying to take our stuff.Second And just because our grandfathers did shoot a bunch of British people does give us the right to bear arms for simply if nothing else tradition and pride. But since you are obviously not and American and probably have no heritage here you don't share the pride in our counrty and its founders like we do. You are not an American so you don't know how it feels to be one of us. Next time you decide to comment on an issue not based for your counrty, Put some serious thought into it,Look at it through our eyes and perspectives and don't take a standpoint on something you otherwise know nothing about.

At 2/15/03 06:53 PM, Sirterox wrote: i favor the opinion that people should all have guns in their homes. Guns are not deadly.

Okay, where did it say this topic was about gun control in the US. Sirterox' opinion is that people should all have guns (or the right to have them), I take it that with people he ment all people including Europeans. I oppose his opinion and by comparing the US with Europe I'm trying to make my point about why I'm for gun control. That's called discussion.

However I do understand that it would be very difficult if not impossible for the US to abandon the right to have guns.

I hate guns. I do not want to own one... I do not want them near me.
That being said, the government has no right to ban them. I enjoy having freedom. At times this means we have to protect the freedom of others to do things we may not like. I wish we lived in a society in which people felt they had no need for weapons... until that day arrives, keep the government out of the business of law-abiding citizens.

Two stances.

One: a GUN shot BAMBI'S MOTHER! you HEARTLESS BASTARD!

Two: Firearms are merely the inevitable extention of the weapon as a means of defense. People wanting to controll the flow of weapons can be traced back many centuries, clear to bans on owning swords, bows, or arrows in feudal times under certain lords, and in the east caste systems preventing the poor and underprivelidged from attaining status through force of arms. Persons attempting to control the availability of weapons are inevitably attempting to secure their own power. See also: Hitler (books were burned, rifles confiscated) Marx: (firearms went for the glory of the communist army) Mussolini: (less sucessful) Idi Amin, Hussein, and many other dictators have all used gun controll as ameans of securing their own position.

Of course, some people still don't get it.

First off the reason we have the right to bear arms is when they made the constitution they felt that if citizens or the milita which is know the national guard did not have fire arms the people would have no control over the goverment. Kind of like when hitler took full power over germany I think he took away citizens fire arms. Anyways I live in Louisiana right next to a wildlife area. Hunting is like a way of life down here. In my house I think we have something like 20 ro so guns from a .35 Rem to a 22/45. I think only 3 of our guns we have even actually bought. They are all handed down from generation to genaration. I have my great grandfathers .22. If they put a ban on guns in my life time i think i would rather them kill me. Since they are my past relatives its kinda of symbolic to me you know.

they say guns don't kill people, people do...
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but i think the gun helps. don't you?

At 3/5/03 01:46 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: they say guns don't kill people, people do...
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but i think the gun helps. don't you?

To quote Gunnery Sergeant Hartman from Full Metal Jacket:

"Your rifle is only a tool. It is a hard heart that kills. If your killer instincts are not clean and strong, you will hesitate at the moment of truth. You will not kill."

At 3/5/03 04:18 PM, TheEvilOne wrote:

At 3/5/03 01:46 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: they say guns don't kill people, people do...
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but i think the gun helps. don't you?

To quote Gunnery Sergeant Hartman from Full Metal Jacket:

"Your rifle is only a tool. It is a hard heart that kills. If your killer instincts are not clean and strong, you will hesitate at the moment of truth. You will not kill."

highly true. but you also won't kill if you don't have a rifle in your hands

If they "tried" to completely ban all guns then people could still find a way (they always do) to get some guns, I mean...lets look here, drugs are illegal and quote "banned" but drugs are a large problem of today. Then that would just leave the armless defenseless.

At 3/6/03 11:07 PM, EvilBread wrote: If they "tried" to completely ban all guns then people could still find a way (they always do) to get some guns, I mean...lets look here, drugs are illegal and quote "banned" but drugs are a large problem of today. Then that would just leave the armless defenseless.

i agree

I'm all for gun ownership by responsible citizens, as several others already have stated of their own stance. I'll bring in my favorite example of the Swiss. Swiss adults are given goverment-issued guns. And they don't have a high murder rate. Know why? Cause every Swiss person has a gun, that's why.

This is the way I see it.
You ban guns, People kill with knives.
You ban knives, People kill with clubs
You ban clubs, people kill with their hands.
It's that simple.

I feel that having a gun should be like driving a car, both are deadly if misused so both should be treated equally. You should have to pass some sort of test and show you can use a gun properly to get a gun liscense and no one without a gun liscense can buy or use a gun. Also ex-cons and insane people should have certain restrictions on thier gun rights. It may give the right to bear arms in the bill of rights or whatever it was but it also, at one time, said drinking alcohol was illegal.

I like the idea the idea that in America you have the constitutional right to own a firearm, you know for defence and stuff. I also like how you can get away with defencive homoside (excuse my spelling). I mean how would you like it if some guy came into your house and started waveing arround a gun saying he was gonna kill you and your family. Then you shoot him to death in defence but for that you go to jail. That is just plane stupid. Better one life than meny. But I think it's a bit crazy that you can pretty much own any gun you want. Glock 18 9mm select fire, MP5 A3, a supressor for your Berretta 9mm. Whay would you need that sort of stuff.

We do tend to bear arms in excess. I mean, who's going to go hunting with an assault rifle? It's just senseless!

At 3/10/03 11:01 PM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote: We do tend to bear arms in excess. I mean, who's going to go hunting with an assault rifle? It's just senseless!

You will be happy you had that Assault rifle when you shoot that gangster trying to jack your car.

The second amendment was made so if the government goes bad, people can fight it.
Also, Assault Rifles are banned in the US.

Thought I'd jump in here and clarify something. I've heard a LOT of people on all sides of the issue misusing the term "assault rifle." This term has a very specific meaning. It does not mean any rifle that looks military, or any rifle that has a high capacity magazine. It specifically means a weapon designed to be fired from the shoulder, which is capable of firing BOTH semi-automatically, AND fully automatically, at the selection of the operator. Hence, as FlattusMaximus pointed out, all assault rifles are illegal in America (unless you have a federal Class III weapons permit.) Anyone who says they want to ban assault rifles obviously doesn't know what they're talking about because they're already illegal.

duely noted