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theres even a movie about Weed being harmfull, a part in it is like "Little Jimmy used to be a Straight A student and love his family, then he smoked marijuana and picked up a gun and shot everyone he saw, including his own mother"

I don't know if its what your talking about, but watch "Reefer Madness"

The guy that plays the piano and smokes in the closet acts like a crazy crackhead when he smokes. Ridiculous ...

I read all that jazz on a conspiracy website. The only reason I didn't think that one was false was because I heard it before. Back when I used to frequent the dreadheadhq.com messageboard somebody said the got a hemp shirt from the "underground clothing black market." He said it was his comfiest shirt so I'm curious as to how comfy these shirts can be.

theres even a movie about Weed being harmfull, a part in it is like "Little Jimmy used to be a Straight A student and love his family, then he smoked marijuana and picked up a gun and shot everyone he saw, including his own mother"

I don't know if its what your talking about, but watch "Reefer Madness"

The guy that plays the piano and smokes in the closet acts like a crazy crackhead when he smokes. Ridiculous ...

At 2/15/03 02:30 AM, AntiClock wrote: if it is regualted, i am all for it.

You're an idiot.

At 5/3/03 05:16 PM, sk1tso wrote: I don't know if its what your talking about, but watch "Reefer Madness"

yep, thats the movie I'm talking about

The guy that plays the piano and smokes in the closet acts like a crazy crackhead when he smokes. Ridiculous ...

exactly, I smoke weed EVERYDAY, and I haven't thought "gee, it'd sure be cool to hurt someone"

but honestly on the legalization, I could give less then a shit if its legalized, whether it is or not doesn't bother me, its not gunna stop me from using it, end of story.

At 5/3/03 05:19 PM, NEMESiSZ wrote:

At 2/15/03 02:30 AM, AntiClock wrote: if it is regualted, i am all for it.

You're an idiot.

ok why am i an idiot? dont accuse me of something without backing it up with facts. everyone can spew out one word insults. and if you are against the legalization of weed, tell us why and dont make an idiot out of yourself and i might respect your opinion.

At 5/3/03 05:25 PM, AntiClock wrote:

At 5/3/03 05:19 PM, NEMESiSZ wrote:

At 2/15/03 02:30 AM, AntiClock wrote: if it is regualted, i am all for it.

You're an idiot.

ok why am i an idiot? dont accuse me of something without backing it up with facts. everyone can spew out one word insults. and if you are against the legalization of weed, tell us why and dont make an idiot out of yourself and i might respect your opinion.

oh and if it is because of the typo, then you sir, are the hypocritical idiot. dont convince me that you havent accidently misspelled a word before.

At 5/3/03 05:13 PM, evilkate wrote: "Marijuana intoxication and chronic daily use has been linked to depression, anxiety and diminished motivation. It has also been noted that those with concurrent ongoing marijuana abuse/anxiety are much less likely to respond to treatment of these disorders. Multiple medical problems have also been associated with marijuana use including significant cardiopulmonary impairment."

where did you even get this quote from? Cardiopulmonary impairment, I'm guessing thats something to do with the heart,

EVERYTHING, i repeat EVERYTHING leads to depression, I'm not saying weed takes away your depression, but when I was 14, I was your average depressed 14 year old kid, I had no freinds(well I had my 4 best freinds but thats it, other then that I was a loner.) and no one to communicate with. I made the decision to smoke weed, no one convinced me, and I have met so many people, and connected with them, the people I hang out on an everyday basis, we smoke weed EVERYSINGLE day(whether you believe me is irrevelent) and I couldn't be happier then I am now.
people who smoke weed don't have diminished motivation, they just realise that getting worked up about something completely meaningless is well...meaningless.

i dont smoke, but i have no problem with it being legalized. it would bring in tons of money, and also cut back on the amount of spending the govt does on trying to prevent the illegal distrubtion of weed. the govt could concentrate on preventing other drugs from being used. best of all, those god damned truth.com ads would stop being played. i cant fucking stand those ads, and how they make weed look like its horribly wrong. fuck you truth.com, ill smoke if i want to. dont waste your time.

At 5/3/03 05:29 PM, Stuporman wrote:
I'd rather it be legalized though...if it was, it would cost less and there would a greater variety of what you could get.

hell yes,

For me, if I want some regular shit, I go to one person. If I want some stronger shit, I gotta go to a different person. Some sell fatter bags than others, and all that stupidness...

I actually like going to different people for weed, I dunno what it is, i just like the community it creates.

I would love to just walk into a CVS and buy a box of silver haze pre-rolled vanilla dutches. That would be fucking beautiful.

that would be beautiful, my freind always rolls nice fat joints so its never really a problem, or we just use the bong, or do poppers on occasion.

I was thinking about this the other day though, the government has been passing up the chance to legalize then tax weed, frankly, in my opinion, their chance has passed, and its all about possesion now. No one should be hassled for having less then 30 grams possesion on them cuz really, if you have more then 30 grams, your selling that, your not using all that(with the exception of the long weekend coming up may 16 hehehe)

At 5/3/03 05:26 PM, AntiClock wrote:

ok why am i an idiot? dont accuse me of something without backing it up with facts. everyone can spew out one word insults. and if you are against the legalization of weed, tell us why and dont make an idiot out of yourself and i might respect your opinion.

You're an idiot because you "spew" your stupid agenda without knowing anything other than what local potheads have told you.

-It would cost more to regulate marijuana than to fight it.

-Making it legal would give the enemies of the united states many allies in south america, since it destroys their cashflow without destroying the actual drug lords themselves.

-Marijuana is BAD, it impairs your judgement, and makes you more likely to cause harm to others. You are safer with someone who is not high than someone who is high.

I could go on, but I think I've made you look bad enough already. Never post without thinking again, you borderline retarded zealot.

You wanna smoke pot so bad, move to Holland. Simple.

Seeing as how marijuana is so easily grown so often (with the exception of legal problems), it would be hard for the government to control that industry and profit without having the public grow it themselves to save money.

It's not like with alcohol where it'd be such a bitch to still/brew your own that few people actually do it and not submit to the government's taxation of prepared spiritous beverages.

Then there's the tobacco example, whereas the amount people use of it make it not worth it to grow your own.

To prevent people from growing their own marijuana and buying the government's brand - they'd either have to make the THC levels exceptionally high and/or sell at very low prices to the public. Thus making taxation rather difficult.

At 5/3/03 05:45 PM, NEMESiSZ wrote: -Marijuana is BAD, it impairs your judgement, and makes you more likely to cause harm to others. You are safer with someone who is not high than someone who is high.

how the fuck are you gunna harm someone when all you want is some twinkies from the cupboard? you know how safe I am when I smoke up? cuz its story time.

late one night, around 2 am ish, me and my freind colin smoked about 3 joints and 2 bowls in from the bong, on the drive home(yes he was driving) he drove at 10km/h because he thought everything was looking "classic" now I don't know what the fuck he was talking about, and a 15 min ride took almost a full hour, but he drives his absolute safest when he is baked

Never post without thinking again, you borderline retarded zealot.

your just a straight edge pussy mother fucker.

I don't really agree with smoking weed either. It might get you high for the time being but with all the so-called "happiness" that you get from doing so, the aftereffects do make you more depressed afterwards. I've seen people get totally consumed by it and now they can't function normally without it. One of my best friends is trying to quit weed right now and he's finding it a bit of a struggle. Personally, I'd never touch that stuff. I'm fine just the way I am and I don't need some funny-shaped leaf to run my life.

At 5/3/03 05:57 PM, evilkate wrote: Of course, you're "happy" when you're high. And you wouldn't have such "friends" without the pot. Don't kid yourself. Drug buddies are different than friends.

its nothing about being high that makes me happy, its about having freinds who are there for me, people I do everything with all the time.
and I made freinds with most of the people I smoke pot with before I even started smoking pot, I grew up with them, my freind emily, theres an example of a "freind" i wouldn't have it wasn't for smoking pot, that is true you can have people who are just your drug buddies, but the people I hang out with at school and on weekends etc. are my best freinds, we smoke pot because its fun, we don't smoke pot all day, with the exception of some days heh, we do other things, I agree with you that indeed I do have freinds that I wouldn't even be freinds with without weed, but I've known those people now since the start of highschool, so they aren't "drug buddies" anymore.

Written like someone who... SMOKES WEED.

I really wouldn't defend people who smoke weed unless I actually do, which, I do. I wouldn't defend crack addicts or pill popping ravers.

it could be done indeed. i seem to remember that in very old times there were places, i cant remember what they are called. but it was like a bar and that is where people would all go in and smoke marjuana.

At 5/3/03 05:30 PM, Primus_Frog wrote:

people who smoke weed don't have diminished motivation, they just realise that getting worked up about something completely meaningless is well...meaningless.

Thats completely stupid. It's a damn known fact that chronic smoking causes motivational disorders. Legalizing marijuana would be a terrible move for the government to complete.

Here's a thinker ....

If marijuana was legalized, anyone could smoke. Taxi drivers, teachers, politicians, DOCTORS, SURGEONS ....

Would you rather have a stoned brain surgeon operating on you, or a sober one? And to say it doesn't effect him would be ridiculous, because marijuana does affect everyone differently, but the common grounds is that IT AFFECTS THEM. When it comes to percision and percise movements (like a scapel cutting through the brain), I'd stick with the sober man.

Of course, that same surgeon could also take a visit to the bar before he came to work, but it's easier to pick out a man who's been drinking then a man who is stoned.

And yes, there could be "regulations," but it wouldn't make much a difference. Are they gonna make all there employees take a piss test everytime they leave the building?

Just something to think about .....

Center for Cognitive Liberty and Ethics

Check this out. I subscribe to the journal. The site is real quality reading material on the subject.

At 2/15/03 02:30 AM, AntiClock wrote: Look at Holland...they treat it as if it were alcohol. if it is regualted, i am all for it.

cannabis is now a class C drug in the uk. the police can't arrest you for possesion if you can proove you arent a dealer (i.e. have less than 1oz on their person). good times!

At 5/3/03 05:57 PM, evilkate wrote:

At 5/3/03 05:30 PM, Primus_Frog wrote:
where did you even get this quote from? Cardiopulmonary impairment, I'm guessing thats something to do with the heart,

It has to do with the respiratory system, but it does affect the heart.

actually, cardiopulmonary is the relationship between the lungs and heart. when smoking, the amount of oxygen the body recieves is lowered, so heart rate increases. the reason this is dangerous is that smoking makes the arteries thinner, so more blood, less space... BOOM! heart attacks kill more smokers than cancer.

EVERYTHING, i repeat EVERYTHING leads to depression

"Everything" does not cause CLINICAL DEPRESSION.

niether does marijuana. no study has ever been comprehensive enough to prove it. the reason some studies indicate this is because many people that turn to weed (ie. not for recreational purposes) are "fucked up" already, and so more likely to be clinically depressed.

and I have met so many people, and connected with them, the people I hang out on an everyday basis, we smoke weed EVERYSINGLE day(whether you believe me is irrevelent) and I couldn't be happier then I am now.

Of course, you're "happy" when you're high. And you wouldn't have such "friends" without the pot. Don't kid yourself. Drug buddies are different than friends.

who says your friends don't smoke weed. i met a lot of people because of weed. the kind of person that i like *almost HAS* to smoke weed, it's part of the whole life philosophy i respect.

people who smoke weed don't have diminished motivation, they just realise that getting worked up about something completely meaningless is well...meaningless.

Written like someone who... SMOKES WEED.

and therefor knows what its like to smoke weed, and to not smoke weed, whereas you only have HALF of the picture.

At 5/3/03 06:59 PM, sk1tso wrote: Here's a thinker ....

Would you rather have a stoned brain surgeon operating on you, or a sober one?

umm..alcohol is legal, surgeons are not exactly drunk when they operate are they?

At 5/3/03 06:59 PM, sk1tso wrote: Here's a thinker ....

Hardly.

If marijuana was legalized, anyone could smoke. Taxi drivers, teachers, politicians, DOCTORS, SURGEONS ....

Anyone can smoke it as is. Don't be so naive to think that any 13 year old in school doesn't know of at least one marijuana dealer.

Would you rather have a stoned brain surgeon operating on you, or a sober one?

Would you rather have a drunk surgeon working on you? Alcohol is legal, and by your logic, that must mean they're under the influence of it while working right? I'd rather have a stoned Taxi driver than a drunk one - does this mean we should legalize the one and illegalize the other if we must pick the lesser of two evils based on assuming everyone's doing it at work?

And to say it doesn't effect him would be ridiculous, because marijuana does affect everyone differently, but the common grounds is that IT AFFECTS THEM.

So does alcohol, only even more so. Alcohol kills far more people per user, destroys families, kills brain cells, and poisons you.

When it comes to percision and percise movements (like a scapel cutting through the brain), I'd stick with the sober man.

Guess we better make alcohol illegal then eh? Do you really think that someone like a brain surgeon is going to do every legal drug he can get his hands on? I gaurentee you that any brain surgeon who wants to operate on people while stoned is not one doing so only if it's legal.

Of course, that same surgeon could also take a visit to the bar before he came to work, but it's easier to pick out a man who's been drinking then a man who is stoned.

Not necessarily. The guy with red eyes, two bags of oreos under his arm, looking at a pizza flyer and laughing his ass off is pretty distinguished. Meanwhile the supposed drunk could simply be a mentally challanged person, or then again - an asshole.

And yes, there could be "regulations," but it wouldn't make much a difference. Are they gonna make all there employees take a piss test everytime they leave the building?

Exactly, it doesn't make a difference. Illegalized marijuana does NOT reduce its use to any noticeable degree. All it does is cause unneccessary conflicts in political and social situations.

Just something to think about .....

Think harder.

At 5/3/03 07:04 PM, Stuporman wrote:
700,000+ marijuana users are busted each year...that's about one arrest occurring every 45 seconds. Think of all the court costs, lawyer fees, prison costs, etc that takes up. The average US prison sentence served for a murder charge is 6.3 years, while for a marijuana charge it's 10 years. The number of Americans jailed for nonviolent drug-related offenses has risen 800+ percent since 1980. Owning one marijuana plant constitutes a fucking FELONY. How wrong is that?

it's even worse for cocain, 1.5 GRAMS will get you 20 years. these are mere grams

Forget about criminal costs. In 2001, the government's Office of National Drug Control Policy spent approximately 18.1 BILLION DOLLARS fighting drugs. I'm sure there's about a thousand fucking other things that money could have, SHOULD HAVE been spent on rather than righting marijuana.

this is one thing that really saddens me about the war on drugs. wy are we wasting so much money when the majority of people doing and selling them don't get caught? and the users just grow with the population

South America is known for, and makes more money off of cocaine and heroine, not marijuana. At least a third of the US's marijuana is grown in the US, mostly in Kentucky. So what you're saying is that they would be MORE angry at the US for legalization? Get a fucking clue. They would keep importing their own brand and wouldn't even have to worry about outrunning the Coast Gaurd anymore.

well even then who says cocain and heroine will be bought from them? there will always be a black market, but the legal market will beat it out if given a chance to form. the legal market has a much harder time gyping people and can be found easier.

in all honesty, i do not think that people should do any drugs. they are bad for you and lead to an early death, but it shouldn't be the place of the government to decide that for people. and by no means does anyone deserve to get punished for being hooked on drugs, that's just wrong

At 2/15/03 03:09 AM, Crack_Smoker wrote: But if weed was legal there would be more:
1) people forgetting they are broke at the drive-thru and racing away, hitting small children on bikes

Bull shit... if you were that stoned you would order a delivery...

2) chicks getting all "hopped up on the goofy weed" and getting molested

Don't be silly.. never seen that happen...it's when your drunk you lose your inhebitions and stuff... your actually alot more self concious when you smoke dope.

3) kids pulling out guns and accidently shooting eachother in the head because they are so baked

Bull shit.. That wouldn't happen... I've been a stoner all my life.. and I have picked up many a weapon, cross bow, samurai sword, knives, a magnum.. and you know what... Some people are smart enough not to keep weapons loaded..

and on top of that.. I wouldn't have fired it at anyone anyway.. sorry but if anyone is stupid enough to pick up a gun that happens to be load it and fire it then they are a prick.. you can't blame it on ganj.

4) people in driving accidents (it must've been from the weed they smoked a week ago and not the fact that their BAC was .3)

Actually My friend drives all the time stoned and the more stoned he is the better driver he becomes because he is so paranoid... untill he reaches a certain point.. then he just refuses to get in his car...

You get lazy on pot...

5) of your money going STRAIGHT TO OSAMA BIN LADEN himself because the terrorists get all their money from weed

No... no they don't.. and as some one else said.. if terrorist activty was funded by an illeagal drug.. then legalising it would stop them getting all there money because that would cut off there funding.

This is why weed must be stamped out and nonviolent offenders be put in jail longer than rapists

I think that was sarcasm.. so I will let it pass...

At 5/3/03 03:14 PM, Milesthegreat_TAPK_ wrote: ok whats the benifit of smokeing weed? and don't tell me getting high and haveing a agood time are the benifents beacuse that doesn't work. beacuse while under the influence of pot more bad disions are made then under te influence oh booze

Your wrong.. When people get stoned they chill out and have a good time.. like in my room when we get kaned... we listen to some music, play stupid games, giggle at each other, play some playstation, watch movies, and eat a load of food. If we have the energy we might venture out onto the trampolene for a laugh... we never hurt anyone other than our own lungs.

On alcohol you get fired up, you get violent, you smash things, your coordination goes insane... you can't do anything right.. your speech slurs... you get blackouts, you can't rememebr the night.. and whats worse.. most people get hangovers and throw up and stuff.. you don't get that with pot.

Also Pot is the only thing that chills me out.. I have an over active mind and when i smoke dope it just brings me to a level that I am comfortable with.

I really hate it when people base things over one persons experiance or something they heard.. you can't have an opinion on something untill you have experianced it.. and with pot there are alot of differant sides to the argument to keep it going for a while... yeah okay so the paranoia ain't great.. but when you learn that its paranoia you can learn to enjoy it... I hate it when people have uninformed and unexperianced veiws on things...
Not saying necarily you.. I am just going trhough this topic as fast as I can replying to as many of the differant individual posts...

At 5/3/03 05:13 PM, evilkate wrote:

Some stuff and...
He smokes because he's pathetic and addicted.

ONCE AGAIN NOT EVERYONE IS LIEK YOUR FATHER...
and all these studies on ganj are theoretical.. because they don't actually know for a fact what makes you depressed and stuff.. and they haven't tested these things on the whole worlds and its differant for everyone

I smoked over an ounce a week for a couple of years... and now I don't, there are even a couple of days in the week which i am sober.. I used to take E alot too.. now I don't take it at all.. Thats the thing you see with drugs.. they are powerful things.. I guess.. And you have to be more powerful than them. You have to stay in control. Fuck I have done Crack a few times Just so I could experiance and Understand where crack addicts came from. I tell you.. Crack is nasty... But Pot.. it doesn't hurt anyone.. anyone who says it does is looking for an insanity plee at Cort.

I used to drink 60-80 units a week.. I tell ya.. thats alot worse than smoking an 1/8 a day. I don't drink at all now.. the occasional pint maybe if I am in the pub on my way out clubbing...

Okay Now I have replyed to a fair bit of stuff... And I see that Primus_Frog has been doing a good job of that too I will post this and then tell ya how it goes down in places like Amsterdam.

Ganj isn't exactly leagal in amsterdam.. cofee shops register with the police, and then sell it to there customers in there.

If anyone deals anything on the streets they get busted so hard.. but because its controlled its alot better.

Also haveing somewhere where you can go and sit, other than inside your house (or if ur in america... in a bush) it makes a nice change.. you can just go and sit in a place with loads of ganj so you never run out. There is no paronoia.. you never get odd looks, and you feel generally alot safer...

England is on its way to legalising it.. there slowly making it less and less of a crime, because they waste so much time on these petty crimes they never spend any time on real crimes.

It's funny.. have you heard the Streets song the irony of it all, it explains exactly how it is.. stuff that stoners say all the time.. let me see if i can find the lyrics.

No I can't find them anywhere on the web and i've been looking for a while.. Have a look for it.. 'The Irony of it all' by The Streets... Not exactly my usual taste in music.. I actually hate Garage.. but this actually isn't that bad :)