Domestic Security Enhancement Act

[MarijuanaClock]

I didn't see anything on this forum about the Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003. So I'm reposting what Tritoch posted on the ClockCrew political forum. At anyrate it's another step toward limiting your freedoms, and moving America into a totalitarian regime(Fascism).

Quote: Tritoch

Patiot Act 2: Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003 (post #1)

http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/lewis.html
http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/t...ipt_lewis2.html
http://www.public-i.org/dtaweb/repo...L5=0&Task=Print
http://online.securityfocus.com/news/2296
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationw...lnews-headlines

The Document Itself

http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/patriot2-hi.pdf

or

http://infowars.com/pdfs/patriot2-hi.pdf
http://infowars.com/pdfs/patriot2-low.pdf
http://josh.middlepath.com/gnn/patriot2-hi.pdf

Some quotes from the PBS interview:

quote:

MOYERS: Congressman Burton, Dan Burton, of Indiana, a very conservative congressman, who is Chairman on the Committee on Government Reform. He said recently, "An iron veil is descending over the executive branch."

Now your forte is moving information around in Washington trying to find out what's going on. Would you agree with what Congressman Burton has said here?

LEWIS: I absolutely agree with what he's saying. I mean there have been 300 roll-backs of the Freedom of Information Act since September 11th. All over America, at the state and local level, as well as the federal government. The Attorney General sent a message to every federal employee, when in doubt, deny any Freedom of Information request.

We have other things like presidential papers being sealed off. We have reporters trying to cover things in Afghanistan being locked in a warehouse and not able to file their stories. Even before September 11th, we had one reporter's home phone records seized by a grand jury without telling him or his news organization.

There's a lot of things happening with information, access to information, and efforts to stop journalism that I have not seen in 20 plus years of watching Washington and journalism and government interact. And it's not just information. It's not information for information's sake. This is about health, safety, lives…

Oh, and what do you know? Another one.

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MOYERS: The House Judiciary Committee actually asked the FBI a few months ago how it has used the new powers that had been given to it under the Patriot Act. And the Justice department said, "We can't tell you that information, it's classified."

And this prompted then-Congressman then Bob Barr, from Georgia, another conservative, by the way, he said the attitude of the Justice Department seems to be that even Congress isn't entitled to know how they are using the authority that Congress gave them.

LEWIS: It's incredible. I mean, if Congress doesn't have oversight over the Justice Department and these programs, who does? That's how it's supposed to work in our constitution and in our set up for government.

MOYERS: That's one of your real concerns, isn't it? That there's no oversight when secrecy is this tight.

LEWIS: Absolutely. The Congress is the people's chance to monitor the executive branch. That is the only… it is the closest branch of government to the people. The House members are up for election every two years. If the House of Representatives and the Congress in general cannot keep a watch on the executive branch and cannot be informed about their activities. There's something very serious here.

Some quotes from the securityfocus article

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A sweeping new anti-terrorism bill drafted by the Justice Department would dramatically increase government electronic surveillance and data collection abilities, and impose the first-ever federal criminal penalties for using encryption in the U.S.

A draft of the Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003 dated January 9th was obtained by the non-partisan Center for Public Integrity and released Friday. The 120-page proposal would further expand many of the surveillance powers Congress granted federal law enforcement in the USA-PATRIOT Act in 2001, while increasing the secrecy surrounding some government functions.

[Spike-J-Wolfwood]

It’s very sad that the US government had to find a “silver lining” to terrorism by limiting our freedoms.......... I tell ya’ brother, this is just one more thing that’s going to be thrown on the heap that will break the camels back. One of these days the American people won’t stand for any more of this shit and lets just say quite a few apple carts will be overturned.

[MarijuanaClock]

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can excercise their constitutional right of amending it, or excercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it."
-Abraham Lincoln

Well get to it Yanks! What are you waiting for?

Abe commands it! ^_^

[RoboTripper]

Just more proof that OBL completely and utterly accomplished everything he could have ever dreamed of on 9/11; should be required reading for anyone who thought electing a moron as US president wasn't such a bad idea

[RoboTripper]

At 2/15/03 12:33 AM, MarijuanaClock wrote: "This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can excercise their constitutional right of amending it, or excercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it."
-Abraham Lincoln

Well get to it Yanks! What are you waiting for?

Abe commands it! ^_^

Heh - did he say that before or after he burned the Southern states for trying that very thing?

[MarijuanaClock]

At 2/15/03 12:38 AM, DenkSmoker wrote:

At 2/15/03 12:33 AM, MarijuanaClock wrote: "This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can excercise their constitutional right of amending it, or excercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it."
-Abraham Lincoln

Well get to it Yanks! What are you waiting for?

Abe commands it! ^_^

Heh - did he say that before or after he burned the Southern states for trying that very thing?

True, althought one could draw a line between self determination of a nation, and self determination of only one part of said nation. The south wasn't trying to change the country, they were trying to leave the country.

Anyway, rebel you yanks, ABE COMMANDS IT!

[Labanzab]

I find the new "powers" of the Justice Department more frightening than the terrorists. Here in Philly, the media has been at odds with the FBI on a few occasions since 9-11. The first case was the mysterious disapearance of two men who were questioned by police outside of the Liberty Bell. Both the Philadelphia Police Department and the park rangers reported detaining the men for questioning and then turning them over to the FBI. When the local FBI office was contacted, they not only denied the incident, but became furious with the reporters calling for information.
Growing up in the Reagan era, we were filled with horror stories of the "Evil Empire's" KGB snapping people up who later vanished into thin air. I see little difference in the recent actions of the U.S. government.

[agent66]

At 2/15/03 12:28 AM, Spike_J_Wolfwood wrote: It’s very sad that the US government had to find a “silver lining” to terrorism by limiting our freedoms.......... I tell ya’ brother, this is just one more thing that’s going to be thrown on the heap that will break the camels back. One of these days the American people won’t stand for any more of this shit and lets just say quite a few apple carts will be overturned.

Many would argue that instead of finding the silver lining, he created the cloud to begin with. It's a perfect example of how "problem,reaction,solution" works.
ie.Gov't wants more control so they create the "problem"-terrorist attack.
The public says "Oh my gosh,save us! Do whatever it takes."-reaction.
Gov't flies in with sweeping reforms that geatly limit our rights and greatly increases their powers.-"solution"
So basically they get us to go for something we'd normally never consider and they got us to ask for it.Plans inside of plans.

[Labanzab]

The saddest part is, this abuse of power extends beyond homeland security issues. Ashcroft has been over stepping the bounds of the constitution since he was first appointed attorney general. One example: He had the feds do a drug raid in California on a house where people who were leagally perscribed marijauna for medicinal use. When it was pointed out to him that these people were not breaking the law in California, he basically said he didn't care what the state laws were... that he believed the federal government had control over all drug related issues.
We must thank him for so valiantly saving our nation from the threat of 70 year old women and cancer patients sitting around a living room alleviating their pain...
Come on! Do you ever feel that the government is somewhat out of touch with the true will of the people?