slizor vs capitalism

[swayside]

in the tollerance topic, slizor stated in response to my statement that "socialism is stealing, pure and simple" that "capitalism is atealing, pure and simple".

slizor, i'd really like to see you explain this in a way that makes sense.

[Ted-Easton]

it is logically possible, though I don't understand that personally.

[implodinggoat]

At 2/14/03 03:59 PM, swayside wrote: in the tollerance topic, slizor stated in response to my statement that "socialism is stealing, pure and simple" that "capitalism is atealing, pure and simple".

slizor, i'd really like to see you explain this in a way that makes sense.

Mind you I don't agree with Slizors socialist views but I can tell you exactly what his reply to your question is going to be because he has made this claim when debating me a million times......

While his response may not be as succinct and to the point as mine it will go something like "In Capitalism the rich steal from the poor"

[MarijuanaClock]

At 2/14/03 03:59 PM, swayside wrote: in the tollerance topic, slizor stated in response to my statement that "socialism is stealing, pure and simple" that "capitalism is atealing, pure and simple".

slizor, i'd really like to see you explain this in a way that makes sense.

The bourgeoisie steal from society as a whole. They hurt society for their own personal gain.

It's all prespective really, lets look at the word itself:

steal ( P ) Pronunciation Key (stl)
v. stole, (stl) sto·len, (stln) steal·ing, steals
v. tr.
To take (the property of another) without right or permission.

Under Marxist ideology wealth should be shared equally, when the bourgeoisie violate this convention they are stealing from society. You don't see it as stealing because you don't suscribe to Marxist ideology; however, someone who does suscribe to Marxist ideology does view Capitalism as stealing.

Just as a Capitalist views Marxism as stealing, a Marxist views Capitalism as stealing.

It's all perspective.

Secondly stop confussing Marxism/Communism with Socialism, they're two different things.

[swayside]

firstly, marajuanaclock, this isn't a how you take your coffee kind of argument. this is right and wrong.

secondly, go ahead and explain your socialism/communist difference argument.

[MarijuanaClock]

At 2/14/03 09:31 PM, swayside wrote: firstly, marajuanaclock, this isn't a how you take your coffee kind of argument. this is right and wrong.

secondly, go ahead and explain your socialism/communist difference argument.

First off, if you only see the world in black and white your are a sad individual.

Secondly, Please read up on political ideology, or at the least look at the political spectrum. Many countries incorperate asspects of socialism, such as Sweden, France, and even Canada to a lesser degree.

Communism-Socialism-Liberalism-Conservatism-Fascism

so·cial·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ssh-lzm)
n.
The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.

com·mu·nism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kmy-nzm)
n.
A theoretical economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members.
Communism
A system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy and a single, often authoritarian party holds power, claiming to make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people.
The Marxist-Leninist version of Communist doctrine that advocates the overthrow of capitalism by the revolution of the proletariat.

[Slizor]

Okay, the Capitalist system in a nutshell watered down for Conservatives...

Say I work for a big company making pots. I don't own the materials or the tools I use, but I actually craft these pots. I get £2 for each pot I make. Now, the owner of the materials and the tools, for each pot I make, he also gets £2. How come? He takes his £2 from the actual £4 increase in value, he steals this increase which you have made, the fruits of your labour.

Understand? This is a very simplified view, if you want it simplier...you'd probably need someone to read for you.

[Alakazam]

At 2/14/03 03:59 PM, swayside wrote: in the tollerance topic, slizor stated in response to my statement that "socialism is stealing, pure and simple" that "capitalism is atealing, pure and simple".

Godbless Captitalism.

[PsychobillyClock]

At 2/16/03 07:14 PM, Alakazam wrote:

At 2/14/03 03:59 PM, swayside wrote: in the tollerance topic, slizor stated in response to my statement that "socialism is stealing, pure and simple" that "capitalism is atealing, pure and simple".

Godbless Captitalism.

lol
And God Save the Queen...
... if she's still alive.

[Kemamine]

At 2/16/03 07:33 AM, Slizor wrote: Okay, the Capitalist system in a nutshell watered down for Conservatives...

Say I work for a big company making pots. I don't own the materials or the tools I use, but I actually craft these pots. I get £2 for each pot I make. Now, the owner of the materials and the tools, for each pot I make, he also gets £2. How come? He takes his £2 from the actual £4 increase in value, he steals this increase which you have made, the fruits of your labour.

Understand? This is a very simplified view, if you want it simplier...you'd probably need someone to read for you.

I'm not a big fan of capitalism either, but your example doesn't work.

The owner of the company can take £2 from the maker of the pots because of the benefits he produces. He offers distribution into areas that the maker could not reach into on his own. He also offers a steady salary, which is better than if he was on his own, reiant on how many people buy pots from him. These benifits are what part of the extra money he makes goes to. After that, the profit he makes is his "reward" for making a sucessful company in a compeditive market. Some of that profit goes to takes for the benefits of all the people ruled by the capitalist government.