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By the way, Fatbadger now has a batting average of 4.12! You should have kept it the old way.

At 6/23/06 12:23 PM, TomFulp wrote:

Everyone should take a moment and thank Liljim for implementing all these great changes! James does all the PHP / database programming, so without him, these features wouldn't happen.

Yay liljim!
Oh yeah, IT"S TACO NIGHT YAY!

I don't see how having a top three and an average could be a bad thing.

Because having a total average stat would just renew the pressure that this change is set to relieve. If you have a stat, people are bound to want to have theirs high. If you want to find good artists and aren't happy with the top three rule, you should just follow decent submissions.

Ok, so just make the top-3 statistic the more important one (make it stand out in bold or something). See, the flip side of the coin is that artists now feel that everything besides those three top submissions no longer counts... it gives them less incentive to submit consistently good quality work. Although some Newgrounds artists (like Zekey) definitely benefit from this system because their scores are all over the spectrum, other people lose out. The viewer loses out too, because now when I look at someone's "average" I have no idea what their actual average quality of work is.

Actually, perhaps a solution to that last problem would be to allow us to see the ratings of someone's submissions inside the drop-down menu. That could be REALLY usefull, because if I see someone on Newgrounds with 50 submissions I have no idea which one to click - there's no way to tell which ones are good... the names don't give any hints about the quality (well, usually).

But in all seriousness, fixing the audio portal is much more important for me than any of this stuff. The flash portal, despite its minor faults here and there, actually works very well on the whole. The audio portal, on the other hand, has some major faults that are easily fixed and should have been fixed long ago. The solution is to simply make the audio portal like the flash portal... make it have the same features that work so well on the flash site, like favourites, allowing us to see our reviews, batting averages for authors, etc.

I for one think that the audio portal has the potential to be the equal of the flash portal - I've seen someone from there being hired to write music after their submissions were noticed by a band conductor. A lot of the composers there are top-notch and deserve a system that will make it easy for visitors to remember their names and their music. Some of the stuff there doesn't sound like it was ever meant to be attached to a flash submission - the audio portal may have begun as a way for flash animators to find copyright-free pieces of music, but it's grown beyond that.

At 6/25/06 11:19 AM, ReNaeNae wrote:

At 6/25/06 11:15 AM, TomFulp wrote: I've never considered the batting average to be an important stat...

...then what is?

I don't know if you would call it a stat and I will almost certainly never create and/or submit a flash...but if I were an author I would be much more interested in reviews and how many people put my movies and myself in their favorites. I think most stats are fairly meaningless, but reviews let the authors know what people really think. The new private message system can also serve this purpose.

On another note, I was being sarcastic when saying you were doing this to improve your own batting average Tom. Obviously, you have more important things to do with your life and The Behemoth and the future of Newgrounds are more important than your batting average.

Good to know that flash artists will be trying to improve the crap they make! J/k.

It's a pretty clever idea. I could definately see someone giving up because of having a crappy batting average, but with this change it increases morale and generally motivated people.

Good idea!

At 6/26/06 04:23 PM, FordMustangClock wrote: This means that some people with low batting averages now have a ridiculously high one.

Maybe this does apply with some but not with all of them. It would be ridiculously high if they had like 5 crappy ones and 2 great ones. That would be wrong.

Tom, this is not working. The idea is good, but it just is not working. I was just in the portal and came across a movie that made me want to look at his/her profile. So I see what other movies he/she made and all of them were shit! But they now have a batting average of 4.07! WTF! Of the 4 awards this user won, 3 were turds and the other was underdog.

This user does not deserve to have a 4.07 batting average.

At 6/28/06 05:57 PM, Suicidal-kid wrote: Tom, this is not working. The idea is good, but it just is not working. I was just in the portal and came across a movie that made me want to look at his/her profile. So I see what other movies he/she made and all of them were shit! But they now have a batting average of 4.07! WTF! Of the 4 awards this user won, 3 were turds and the other was underdog.

This user does not deserve to have a 4.07 batting average.

Agreed. I don't like this at all. There are people who have submitted 3 good things, and that is it. Then all they do is submit crap which, of course, now has no effect on BA. I think only computing with the top 3 submissions inaccurately displays a batting average. I say we go back to the old way, or maybe have the calculations based on the top 3 submissions out of the last 5 that were uploaded to the portal. At least that way they can't make a continuous string of crap and not have it affect anything.

At 6/28/06 06:51 PM, Atomic_Sponge wrote:
Agreed. I don't like this at all. There are people who have submitted 3 good things, and that is it. Then all they do is submit crap which, of course, now has no effect on BA. I think only computing with the top 3 submissions inaccurately displays a batting average. I say we go back to the old way, or maybe have the calculations based on the top 3 submissions out of the last 5 that were uploaded to the portal. At least that way they can't make a continuous string of crap and not have it affect anything.

Yea. The old way was much better. Artists should take thier work seriously. If they want to experiment, then they should put that flash on their own site and see what happens. If anything it is now unfair to the artists who put all that effort in to everything they submit. Because now those who spam and have the 3 good submissions end up having a higher batting average than the one who has all good movies or games, not just 3. They (spammers) don't deserve to get the reward of an A+ BA. They should have their accounts deleted *cough*crome...

I mean, Zekey has a 4.18 average, yet he has a lot of crap. I believe that the old system was best.

ummm haha...srry but I don't get this post thingy here

Awesome, a B+ BA, not too bad actually. Glad you changed this, now even X-Naut doesn't look too bad. :D

At 7/2/06 10:11 AM, -Metroid- wrote: Awesome, a B+ BA, not too bad actually. Glad you changed this, now even X-Naut doesn't look too bad. :D

lol. Mine went from a low be to a high A!! i'm so proud :)

avrage 445555...not my poblem if i'm cheating!add this to yo collection list "down"

good update!
thx.

now if only there were audio batting averages...

I just checked by batting: A+ and wondered why. Then I saw this newspost. Good to hear, but what's so special about it, if everyone have A+

Why not do it, so the three WORST wasn't counted?

This is a good update. I'm glad they thought of it sooner or later.

That is good.