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At 6/23/06 03:31 AM, zendahl wrote:

At 6/23/06 03:26 AM, BeFell wrote: Also I wouldn't criticize them too much, who do you think pays for the military?

I do, so does every one else.

Do you even make enough income to actually have to pay taxes? I don't, this combined with the federal grants I'm recieving, kinda put me a position where I should kind of just be grateful the wealthy are around. How about the rest of you?

At 6/23/06 01:20 AM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote:

At 6/22/06 08:34 PM, Dinodoode wrote:

At 6/22/06 04:55 PM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote:

It doesn't take more then 2 million to support a major superpower in today's world.

I love your signature picture.

Thanks, I made it myself :D

At 6/23/06 11:39 AM, BeFell wrote:

At 6/23/06 03:31 AM, zendahl wrote:

At 6/23/06 03:26 AM, BeFell wrote: Also I wouldn't criticize them too much, who do you think pays for the military?

I do, so does every one else.

Do you even make enough income to actually have to pay taxes? I don't, this combined with the federal grants I'm recieving, kinda put me a position where I should kind of just be grateful the wealthy are around. How about the rest of you?

Yes I pay taxes, and (get ready for this) I'm in the military. I PAY MY OWN WAGES! to a point anyway. income tax that every person who has a paycheck gets pays for the military.

At 6/23/06 04:52 PM, zendahl wrote:

At 6/23/06 11:39 AM, BeFell wrote:

Yes I pay taxes, and (get ready for this) I'm in the military. I PAY MY OWN WAGES! to a point anyway. income tax that every person who has a paycheck gets pays for the military.

Exactly. This is the United States - there's no call for deifying the wealthy and putting them above criticism, after the Estate Tax cut and two or three consecutive tax cuts, I question exactly how much of anything they pay for.

At 6/23/06 04:52 PM, zendahl wrote: Yes I pay taxes, and (get ready for this) I'm in the military.

You have nothing buy my utmost respect for that.

I PAY MY OWN WAGES! to a point anyway. income tax that every person who has a paycheck gets pays for the military.

Not neccessarily. In the case of people like me, where my income is below a certain benchmark, the only deductions I see on my paycheck go to FICA (socail security and medicare) now unless you go into technicalities about congress stealing from the the socail security fund that means that a whole lot of people do not pay one dime towards the military.

At 6/23/06 04:54 PM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote: Exactly. This is the United States - there's no call for deifying the wealthy and putting them above criticism, after the Estate Tax cut and two or three consecutive tax cuts, I question exactly how much of anything they pay for.

I didn't say they're above criticism I implied you're a God damn moron for not recognizing their contribution.

As far as them not paying anything let's not let a little thing like facts disrupt your ranting:

As of 2004, the top 1% of individual taxpayers paid approximately 32% of all federal taxes. The top 5% paid approximately 44%, and the top 10% paid 50% of all federal taxes. The bottom 20% of taxpayers paid a little over 1% of all federal taxes..

Basically most of us on this forum are sucking off the tit of the wealthy, especially those of us who are recieving Federal Finacial Aide. Even if your income is above the $8,500 required to actually pay any income tax I would still wager that you are taking out a hell of a lot more than you're putting in.

So these people aren't joining the millitary, it's a volunteer service, most of you laying down criticism in this topic aren't in the millitary either. The difference here is at least these people are footing the bill with their persuits of higher paying activities.

At 6/22/06 04:17 PM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote:

Just because they can afford Ivy doesn't make them "elite" anything, outside of "elite" gold checking account from VISA.

Someone's just jealous that he couldn't get into an Ivy. But seriously-the hidden Ivies are just as good, if not better (esp. for undergrad).

Anyway: The wealthy are underrepresented in the military because they have better (read: more financially sound) options. That's unfortunate as the wealthy, or at least the more educated, could provide a new leadership standard for the military

At 6/24/06 12:48 AM, GSgt_Liberal wrote: Anyway: The wealthy are underrepresented in the military because they have better (read: more financially sound) options. That's unfortunate as the wealthy, or at least the more educated, could provide a new leadership standard for the military

Maybe we should have a draft.

At 6/24/06 12:48 AM, GSgt_Liberal wrote: Anyway: The wealthy are underrepresented in the military because they have better (read: more financially sound) options. That's unfortunate as the wealthy, or at least the more educated, could provide a new leadership standard for the military

I raised this point earlier but I think it got lost in other peoples arguments. People with degrees even up to a PHD do join the military. If you have a batulars or higher. you are put through officer training. All ot our officer hold degrees now. You can not go from enlisted to officer anymore without at least a batulars degree. So the fact that we have officers is a testiment to the fact that the educated are signing up.

At 6/24/06 05:08 PM, zendahl wrote:

At 6/24/06 12:48 AM, GSgt_Liberal wrote:

You can not go from enlisted to officer anymore without at least a batulars degree. So the fact that we have officers is a testiment to the fact that the educated are signing up.

The educated apparently can't even spell "bachelor's degree."

At 6/22/06 05:56 PM, zendahl wrote: Now we are more confident with educated men. You aren't anything with out an education. So we elect career polititions.

Look where that is getting us : /

I hate politicans.

At 6/25/06 02:08 AM, FAB0L0US wrote:

At 6/22/06 05:56 PM, zendahl wrote: Now we are more confident with educated men. You aren't anything with out an education. So we elect career polititions.

That was taken totaly out of context, and has nothing to do with what I just said. Thanks. Now for why people feel the need to attack my spelling errors (which are not that common), and not actualy reply to my points. Is it because you can't?

At 6/22/06 04:05 PM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote: Wealth allows such an easy escape from duty. It will always be the poor who defend a system that enriches those who don't participate and puts those who do in harm's way.

Well conservatives support the wealthy, so you only have yourself to blame.

At 6/25/06 02:48 AM, Annunaki_Decendent wrote:

At 6/22/06 04:05 PM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote: Wealth allows such an easy escape from duty. It will always be the poor who defend a system that enriches those who don't participate and puts those who do in harm's way.

Well conservatives support the wealthy, so you only have yourself to blame.

I'm blaming myself for...what now?

This is the same communist crap i expect in a history lesson! Yes they have more money than you but grow up, you should have outgrown jelousy when you left nappies

At 6/25/06 02:48 AM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote:

Well conservatives support the wealthy, so you only have yourself to blame.

I'm blaming myself for...what now?

Wow you really must be an idiot for me to state that you were actually blaming yourself.

I said you should blame yourself, not that you are blaming yourself.

Seriously do you have Special ED classes?

At 6/25/06 02:51 AM, Annunaki_Decendent wrote: Seriously do you have Special ED classes?

So says alien boy.

Beem me up, Scotty. Hyperdrive away!

At 6/25/06 02:50 AM, FOD_STUDIOS wrote: This is the same communist crap i expect in a history lesson! Yes they have more money than you but grow up, you should have outgrown jelousy when you left nappies

We let people buy their way out of service once. It didn't go over well.

this dude is right, the rich dont have to go to war, but the poor do.
i dont get how that works. you know what i say, fuck the rich, they dont desever to make like 2billion dollars a year. Celebrities get paid more than we do. THEY DONT DO A FUCKING THING FOR THE ECONOMY. all they do is sit there smiling at camaras and people pay good money just to waste their time siting there watching the big screen till there celeb comes on.celebrities are a$$holes and they dont give a damn for other people who do anything for them for a minimum salary or a autograph. the poor are the celebrities. they stand together to keep eachother alive and they do other stuff that others wouldnt do for a salary to live in a nice house or apartment.

At 6/25/06 02:56 AM, wrym1 wrote: this dude is right, the rich dont have to go to war, but the poor do.
i dont get how that works. you know what i say, fuck the rich, they dont desever to make like 2billion dollars a year. Celebrities get paid more than we do.

And yet we keep handing over our money. I guess they must have the right idea, or we would stop.

At 6/25/06 03:09 AM, zendahl wrote:

At 6/25/06 02:56 AM, wrym1 wrote: this dude is right, the rich dont have to go to war, but the poor do.
i dont get how that works. you know what i say, fuck the rich, they dont desever to make like 2billion dollars a year. Celebrities get paid more than we do.

And yet we keep handing over our money. I guess they must have the right idea, or we would stop.

Or if the wealthy have control of the gears of government, they have a *gasp* crazy new method of handing money to themselves without being burdened by having plans or ideas!

At 6/25/06 03:12 AM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote: Or if the wealthy have control of the gears of government, they have a *gasp* crazy new method of handing money to themselves without being burdened by having plans or ideas!

Such as? I don't think I'm quite folling where your going.

We keep handing money to these same politicians in government because there is no feasable alternative. You've got dynasties rampant in Congress and the Executive branch - Bush, Clinton, Kennedy, Ford, Rockefeller, and these people have such control over things like appropriations that it is impossible to presume they would go ANYWHERE else. Why would these very wealthy, very disconnected politicians pass legislation that would make no college exempt from ROTC recruiters? It's a vote against class. Just because we keep giving them our money doesn't mean they're doing something right, just that they've become the only ones to give it to. That 99% retention rate in the Senate is a high wall for anyone to jump.

At 6/25/06 03:22 AM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote: We keep handing money to these same politicians in government because there is no feasable alternative.

Got you. I was refering to celebs. He was off on them, so that's what I meant. I see what you're saying though.

At 6/25/06 03:12 AM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote: Or if the wealthy have control of the gears of government, they have a *gasp* crazy new method of handing money to themselves without being burdened by having plans or ideas!

United Fruit- Bush owned
Zapata Petrol- Bush owned
Bechtel- Sec. of State under Reagan George Shultz
Bechtel- Sec. of Defense under Regean Caspar Weinberger
Bechtel- Presidents Export Council Member Riley Bechtel
Halliburton- VP Dick Cheney
Ford Motor Company- Sec. of Defense first under Kennedy Robert McNamara

Im sure there is a bunch of other guys but thats all I can find information on now or who I remember.

Shut up Fabby. The shit coming out of your mouth is beyond putrification.

At 6/25/06 03:35 AM, Annunaki_Decendent wrote: Shut up Fabby. The shit coming out of your mouth is beyond putrification.

The facts FAB listed are all true and easily researchable.

At 6/22/06 04:13 PM, -poxpower- wrote: ooooooooor....

WORLD WAR TWO?
??

And besides, how is it smart to send your intellectual elite on the battlefield? You don't put the president and the generals on the front line.

Exactly, those are the kinda people who run the country. Of course wealth gets you out of that sort thing, only an intellectual can find a way to make billions of dollars. You dont wanna throw them out there and waste a good economical source?

When it comes down to the think blue line, the brave get the medals and the brains get the cash and expensive hookers. But still after this, the rich and cowardish are still idolized more.

At 6/25/06 03:20 PM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote:

At 6/25/06 03:35 AM, Annunaki_Decendent wrote: Shut up Fabby. The shit coming out of your mouth is beyond putrification.

The facts FAB listed are all true and easily researchable.

I think he was refering to the alien comments.

It's funny. The elites SHOULD SERVE. "As recently as 1956, 400 members of Princeton's graduating class went on to serve in the military. In 2004, nine graduates did so. Harvard, Yale, Brown and other elite universities don't even allow Reserve Officer Training Courses on their campuses.

In the years after World War II, virtually every member of Congress was a veteran of military service. By 1971, three-quarters of the members had worn the uniform. Today, only a third of the 535 members of the Senate and the House of Representatives have served.

During World War II, President Franklin D. Roosevelt and British Prime Minister Winston Churchill had sons serving in uniform. Today's political leaders and the rest of the country's elite don't feel the same obligation to send their children to serve in harm's way."

(http://www.military...15202,102491,00.htm
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At 6/26/06 01:01 PM, GSgt_Liberal wrote: It's funny. The elites SHOULD SERVE. "As recently as 1956, 400 members of Princeton's graduating class went on to serve in the military. In 2004, nine graduates did so. Harvard, Yale, Brown and other elite universities don't even allow Reserve Officer Training Courses on their campuses.

They can't be bothered.