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Response to Music Theory for the Masses Jun. 21st, 2006 @ 10:53 PM Reply

At 6/21/06 08:01 AM, LJCoffee wrote:
but just remember kids, ljcoffee is full of shit!

'cept he's not. He's totally right. :D


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Response to Music Theory for the Masses Jun. 22nd, 2006 @ 02:58 AM Reply

At 6/21/06 08:21 AM, Rowan00Ring wrote: Niiice dude... Way to go with the explaining... Ive gott atake my Grade 5 theory exam before I can take my gr.6 singing exam... REVISION NOTES!!!

well that must suck, i only need grade 5 for my grade 8 exam!!

next year~ :D
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Response to Music Theory for the Masses Jun. 22nd, 2006 @ 10:31 PM Reply

At 6/21/06 01:53 AM, -ZENON- wrote:
If two notes played together is not a chord, then what is it?

well, two notes can imply a chord, given further musical context...


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Response to Music Theory for the Masses Jun. 23rd, 2006 @ 05:04 PM Reply

Can people stop spamming in this thread please???

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Response to Music Theory for the Masses Jun. 23rd, 2006 @ 05:07 PM Reply

Once you start giving knowledge you must continue, as soon as the well drys the children run riot.

/end japanese master of, something, mode.

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Response to Music Theory for the Masses Jun. 23rd, 2006 @ 06:11 PM Reply

At 6/20/06 07:58 PM, Winterwind-NS wrote:
A chord can't be only two notes. A chord is by definition a combination of three or more notes together.

That's what I thought too.


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Response to Music Theory for the Masses Jun. 24th, 2006 @ 05:28 PM Reply

At 6/20/06 07:58 PM, Winterwind-NS wrote:
A chord can't be only two notes.

You tell a guitarist that. He will be none too chuffed.

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Response to Music Theory for the Masses Jun. 24th, 2006 @ 07:40 PM Reply

So could it be said that two notes of a chord are are melody with a single harmony?

Ie a power chord riff is ________________^

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Response to Music Theory for the Masses Jun. 24th, 2006 @ 08:14 PM Reply

At 6/24/06 05:28 PM, Grumbleduke wrote:
At 6/20/06 07:58 PM, Winterwind-NS wrote:
A chord can't be only two notes.
You tell a guitarist that. He will be none too chuffed.

well you can play a type of chord by only using two notes on a guitar, but a true chord on guitar ois achieved by holding at least two strings down and strumming at least four for harmonic range and tone, on piano a chord can be played with just two notes, tis very strange i know, but then again theyre all the same, so yea you can play a chord with two notes on a guitar, but you cant really.


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Response to Music Theory for the Masses Jun. 24th, 2006 @ 08:26 PM Reply

At 6/24/06 08:14 PM, pitbulljones wrote:
well you can play a type of chord by only using two notes on a guitar, but a true chord on guitar ois achieved by holding at least two strings down and strumming at least four for harmonic range and tone, on piano a chord can be played with just two notes, tis very strange i know, but then again theyre all the same, so yea you can play a chord with two notes on a guitar, but you cant really.

?_? What the heck? A chord is NOT two notes. I thought we went through this already...It's three notes or more in harmony.

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Response to Music Theory for the Masses Jun. 24th, 2006 @ 08:31 PM Reply

At 6/24/06 08:26 PM, MusicalRocky wrote:
?_? What the heck? A chord is NOT two notes. I thought we went through this already...It's three notes or more in harmony.

well ive played two note chords on piano before, but i was replying to the comment about doing it on guitar, which i play and i know you cant on guitar, due to the string lay out and the harmonic nature of a guitar. the piano though seems to allow the two note chord, there must be a name for it or something, but i agree a chord as we all know and love is played with three notes or more, im just being really contradicting and shit, but hey who's gonna stop me?


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Response to Music Theory for the Masses Jun. 24th, 2006 @ 08:34 PM Reply

At 6/24/06 08:31 PM, pitbulljones wrote:
well ive played two note chords on piano before, but i was replying to the comment about doing it on guitar, which i play and i know you cant on guitar, due to the string lay out and the harmonic nature of a guitar. the piano though seems to allow the two note chord, there must be a name for it or something, but i agree a chord as we all know and love is played with three notes or more, im just being really contradicting and shit, but hey who's gonna stop me?

Haha. No, that's okay. I gotcha. If there are two notes played in harmony on a piano, it's called an interval. I.e. If you played C and G, which is a fifth apart (C, D, E, F, G; 1, 2, 3, 4, 5), you'd just call it a major fifth.

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Response to Music Theory for the Masses Jun. 24th, 2006 @ 08:41 PM Reply

At 6/24/06 08:34 PM, MusicalRocky wrote:

Haha. No, that's okay. I gotcha. If there are two notes played in harmony on a piano, it's called an interval. I.e. If you played C and G, which is a fifth apart (C, D, E, F, G; 1, 2, 3, 4, 5), you'd just call it a major fifth.

Ahhhhhhh i see. See i have no idea about theory, i just know guitar, damn it would be so muchg easier if i learnt it, i just play the damn thing and get on with it.


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Response to Music Theory for the Masses Jun. 24th, 2006 @ 11:21 PM Reply

hey man, NG isnt much of a music scene anyway, and i think most of the folks in here dont give a damn about music theory, i agree it would help alot of people in here but most of em are just making loops from their favorite final fantasy video game theme, lol. but a valliant effort none the less

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Response to Music Theory for the Masses Jun. 25th, 2006 @ 01:23 AM Reply

My god some of you gies are complete MORONS!!! 2 notes CAN be a chord... they are what we call implied chords. Have you never analyzed any of Mozarts early music! For further information about implied chords, please read the section about it in "Music Theory for the Masses 2"!

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Response to Music Theory for the Masses Jun. 25th, 2006 @ 01:26 AM Reply

At 6/24/06 08:34 PM, MusicalRocky wrote: Haha. No, that's okay. I gotcha. If there are two notes played in harmony on a piano, it's called an interval. I.e. If you played C and G, which is a fifth apart (C, D, E, F, G; 1, 2, 3, 4, 5), you'd just call it a major fifth.

wtf is a major fifth??? don't you mean a perfect fifth???

and also... C and G can be an implied chord (looking at the context of how the two notes were used in the music)

*didn't mean to double post... sorry

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Response to Music Theory for the Masses Jun. 25th, 2006 @ 08:15 AM Reply

At 6/25/06 01:23 AM, EmoNarc wrote: My god some of you gies are complete MORONS!!! 2 notes CAN be a chord... they are what we call implied chords.

O_o, actually, my friend, just because it has the word chord is in the name doesn't mean it's a chord. Implied chords are not really chords at all, but merely intervals that imply chords. If you're in D Major, D-A (a perfect fifth) would imply a I chord. Get it?

At 6/25/06 01:26 AM, EmoNarc wrote: wtf is a major fifth??? don't you mean a perfect fifth???

Oh, you're right. I'm sorry. Perfect fifth. :(

; leave me alone, I was tired

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Response to Music Theory for the Masses Jun. 25th, 2006 @ 08:55 AM Reply

Indeed, I have said that two notes are intervals ;)

Enharmonics don't exist? Coolness. Where do you find out this stuff, man?

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Response to Music Theory for the Masses Jun. 25th, 2006 @ 11:40 AM Reply

So what have we learned? 2 notes are implied chords called intervals, 3 are triads and the basis of harmony, and 4 or more are just bigger chords. And enharmonics don't exist. Oh for a bag of nuts to appear about now.

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Response to Music Theory for the Masses Jun. 25th, 2006 @ 11:45 AM Reply

I don't need music theory because I am invincible, and buildings fall on my head but I carry on walking anyway, because I'm hard as fuck.

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Response to Music Theory for the Masses Jun. 25th, 2006 @ 11:54 AM Reply

^

Yeah, what he said.

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Response to Music Theory for the Masses Jun. 25th, 2006 @ 11:56 AM Reply

Just out of curiosity, It seems to me that Europe refers to note times as semibreave, minim, crotchet, quaver,semiquaver etc while the US refers to them as whole/half/quater notes... Am I right in this presumption?

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Response to Music Theory for the Masses Jun. 25th, 2006 @ 12:08 PM Reply

Yeah, and in Germany, we say, "UND HEIBER KLAAGEN DUSSENDORF".

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Response to Music Theory for the Masses Jun. 25th, 2006 @ 02:39 PM Reply

At 6/25/06 11:51 AM, Simon_F wrote: Explains why I was wrong about time signatures

Read "Music Theory for the Masses 2" section "Extention of Time Signatures". And plus... what if the tempo wasn't Quarter Note = 111 but it said "Moderato". Whatever I'm confused!

Besides that and afore mentioned discrepancies, great job on this

Thank you!

(although I would've prefered a more organized explanation of secondary dominance).

Yah... secondary dominants are one of things that are hard to explain, but easy to do. If someone who knew basics of chords, but not secondary dominants where to read that section about three times over... I think that person would understand it.

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Response to Music Theory for the Masses Jun. 25th, 2006 @ 02:47 PM Reply

dammit I'm always double posting. but anyways about the implied chord thing...

After doing some
research I realize I'm wrong... woops...

But I am still half write because two notes can imply a chord (although not being a chord itself).

For instance lets say that I'm in C major (yay! simplicity) and I have a G dom. 7 (G B D F) and then I have the following notes: C and E.

I wonder what the C and E (although not a chord) implies? If you play it on a piano, you can obviously find out that it does NOT imply a minor chord (so it's not A minor) so it obviosly applies (although not being) C major!!!

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Response to Music Theory for the Masses Jun. 25th, 2006 @ 03:22 PM Reply

At 6/25/06 12:08 PM, GoreBastard wrote: Yeah, and in Germany, we say, "UND HEIBER KLAAGEN DUSSENDORF".

Holy shit, that's hardcore.

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Response to Music Theory for the Masses Aug. 13th, 2006 @ 08:16 PM Reply

At 6/20/06 02:00 AM, EmoNarc wrote: Bass Lines

Bass Lines are very easy to do. All you have to do is put the chord's notes played randomly in a cool rhythm you like. Have fun with that. (Dang! What a short section)

Wow, that's booring for the bassist. I think you're quite a bit restrictive there :O, try some walkinig bass, or even just some fifths a quarter before the change, or whatever.


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Response to Music Theory for the Masses Aug. 13th, 2006 @ 09:13 PM Reply

I took theory class in 10th grade and failed it lmao. I don't really know any theory maybe some chords but this is a cool lil lesson. I mostly do all my stuff by feel and ear.

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Response to Music Theory for the Masses Dec. 31st, 2006 @ 02:49 PM Reply

Just thought I'd might bump my two threads seeing as though it helped some people... it's been a while...