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At 1/14/08 07:34 PM, ShortMonkey wrote: You guys have complicated the shit out of this club now.

Wow. No one has complicated shit. It's a damn PROPOSAL.

Why not just have it so the department leaders can decide on who gets promoted and we just have ranks for the department; the only NGDD overall rank can be the leader's position?

This was actually an idea I put forward earlier but no one said anything about it so I figured no one wanted it. I actually like the idea of doing it this way, but again no one seemed interested af ew days ago.

Give a lot of responsibility to the department leaders, not automatic crap. And we don't need that NGDD money. What I think:

- Only need ranks
- Department leaders can promote and demote
- Department can reject and accept people as long as someone with a higher position (like life) has approved of them joining the NGDD.

We don't want to complicate things - simplicity is greatness.

What use would contests be then in terms of the NGDD and ranks or rewards? We need to fit that in too.

At 1/14/08 08:20 PM, aldlv wrote:

At 1/14/08 07:47 PM, ShortMonkey wrote:

wow.. I can't believe that my vote is higher that yours...

He's only a Police Sergeant, that's why.

Your experience gave you a voting power of 5.50 votes. Your blam and protection points gave you an additional 32% of your experience power, meaning that your total vote power was worth 7.26 votes!

additional 12% not 32%. You catch up on that B/P rank which is why your vote is higher.

So, it appers that one Mister All-Powerful Joshiwa decided to send me a private message, posing as a giant douche. It's actually quite hilarious. I've decided to also post his picture, in which he impersonates a lonely fat man impersonating a twelve-year-old girl.

Here's the PM:
I thought I should be nice and respectful and not post in the NGDD thread, so I would just say it here. You are the douche, you think you are so high and mighty with your shitty position. I wouldnt want to be in your club mainly because I wouldnt want to be under a 15 year old kid. I dont care about Wylo, you can go ahead and think you Johnny Badass because your in a make believe position on a website. I think its sad and funny at the same time.

LOL! Here's the picture I promised:

At 1/15/08 12:25 AM, Cole wrote: stuff

Wow kid how immature, ha I was exactly right.

Hypocrisy, check and mate

At 1/15/08 12:25 AM, Cole wrote: So, it appers that one Mister All-Powerful Joshiwa decided to send me a private message, posing as a giant douche. It's actually quite hilarious. I've decided to also post his picture, in which he impersonates a lonely fat man impersonating a twelve-year-old girl.

*sigh* I actually have 3 messages in my inbox I can't see until I get home. i wonder how many are from our buddy. Hopefully none.

Here's the PM:
I thought I should be nice and respectful and not post in the NGDD thread, so I would just say it here. You are the douche. You think you are so high-and-mighty with your shitty position. I wouldn't want to be in your club mainly because I wouldn't want to be under a 15 year-old kid. I don't care about Wylo. You can go ahead and think you're Johnny Badass because you're in a make believe position on a website. I think it's sad and funny at the same time.

I thought I'd go ahead and fix his horrid grammar and spelling.

LOL! Here's the picture I promised:

I have a really hard time believing that person is any older than the 15 year-old he's talking crap about after seeing that.
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Anyway, back to the ranking system. I'm willing to see if anyone wants a pure appointed system, but using ranks where nothing matters but that. The thing I don't like about that is then what good are contests and how can we make it so people can still pass others AND how can we make it so people still care about the department they are in? It would make it more simple, though, but at what cost to what we actually do here?

This may be a stupid question, but has the payroll system (that is you can buy things for long-term service) been abolished? Or can it be implemented into a new system?

At 1/15/08 04:01 AM, deslona wrote: This may be a stupid question, but has the payroll system (that is you can buy things for long-term service) been abolished? Or can it be implemented into a new system?

Pretty much, yes. It has been converted into XR, but maybe once Phantom gets back you can spend your current points if you feel so obliged.

At 1/14/08 12:13 PM, RSQViper wrote: There is a difference. Right now the system we have in place caps you at 10 ranks in each dept (actually 9 unless you are the leader). You can top off at a point.

And?

Using XR there will be no cap as you can always continue upwards and gain ranks using XR (the ranks aren't in place above, obviously, this was the XR system only but the furthest ranks would be set quite high. No one in the NGDD would be this rank yet.).

But you can still top off no?

When someone joins the club they would see the rules and the XR system. Looking at the XR system they would know this: "I gain XR by posting, reviewing, whistling, B/Ping, etc."

Don't they look at the ranking system and say "I gain ranks by posing, reviewing, whistling, B/Ping, etc." ?

Here's level 9 Portal in out current system. Tell me how much sense this makes ot a new person: "Nine ranks - 30,000 b/s, Deity whistle. Or 10,000 or more Flash reviews, silver whistle. Or Diety whistle. Or level 48."

Look closely at what I'll do here:
"Nine ranks - 30,000 b/s, Deity whistle. Or 10,000 or more Flash reviews, silver whistle. Or Diety whistle AND level 48"
Now with 30 seconds of effort I corrected it so that all the possibilities are leveled out. If someone has one of the requirements he practically have the same experience in the portal as someone who has another. Simple no? didn't create a new system...

So you achieve one thing (Ex. Deity) and all that other stuff is useless. Your level is useless, reviews are useless. But, if someone has a Deity and 1,000 reviews they will outrank someone with just a Deity and 500 reviews in the new system (as they should).

If you do like above there will be a difference...

So, it isn't the same it's actually quite different and allows more freedom on how we use it as well as make everything in NG equally important.

And the ranking system doesn't?

It also allows us to add in bonuses using contests and time-in the NGDD. The system we have in place now does none of this. It's a quagmire of a system and allows no growth.

Actually yours allows no growth, because people are gonna rely on contests to get points and rise through the ranks, while using payrolling in competitions will force people to do their duty without occasions because money does not affect rank.

Some people like the idea I set forward, some suggested changes that are good changes, but some people don't like it which is fine. But in any case if you don't like it, or even if you DO like it, come up with something else. Put another idea on the table, please. Right now we have the old system to choose from and the above XR system. That's not enough.

I won't come up with something new if I don't see the need for it, what I think we need is just IA members doing their job, like me, but I'm waiting for everyone to finish applauding these ideas that aren't helping much in the long run so I start doing comps and such...

Start getting creative and come up with something already. That goes for everyone.

If you all agree, we'll stop this redesign crap and make some contests...

At 1/14/08 05:52 PM, AnalPenguinFarming wrote: No, this is what I don't like. You say "people like me" turn people away? No, I've busted my ass to make this a better place and I've thrown my ass on the line to get a member in at one point, so don't say "people like me" are the reason people won't want to join.

In all honesty mate, with the way you acted up on how he posted without being a member, I have to say, you were a somewhat asshole. Come on his post was intelligent, had a certain logic to it, I don't understand why he can't do that. A complete stranger trying to help, oh my god he should go hell for that shouldn't he?

Secondly, yea you gave your opinion and yea thats great and everything, but here's my problem and you SHOULD understand it before trying to make me look like the douche here.

Childish, but true answer: you started it

You posted your opinions without being admitted, when there are people being turned away all the time. You put yourself above those members. If you had thought about joining you should have done it.

He didn't do shit except trying to help, you should be grateful.

At 1/14/08 07:34 PM, ShortMonkey wrote: You guys have complicated the shit out of this club now.

Finally someone notices!

Why not just have it so the department leaders can decide on who gets promoted and we just have ranks for the department; the only NGDD overall rank can be the leader's position?

I disagree, where does all the constant competition feel here go?

we don't need that NGDD money.

how would you reward a contest?

- Department leaders can promote and demote

This should be as impartial as possible...

- Department can reject and accept people as long as someone with a higher position (like life) has approved of them joining the NGDD.

If you mean Dept. Leaders I agree...

We don't want to complicate things - simplicity is greatness.

A certain aspect of simpliciy should be kept for sure, but organisation and structure is a must.

At 1/15/08 12:25 AM, Cole wrote: So, it appers that one Mister All-Powerful Joshiwa decided to send me a private message, posing as a giant douche. It's actually quite hilarious. I've decided to also post his picture, in which he impersonates a lonely fat man impersonating a twelve-year-old girl.

Here's the PM:
I thought I should be nice and respectful and not post in the NGDD thread, so I would just say it here. You are the douche, you think you are so high and mighty with your shitty position. I wouldnt want to be in your club mainly because I wouldnt want to be under a 15 year old kid. I dont care about Wylo, you can go ahead and think you Johnny Badass because your in a make believe position on a website. I think its sad and funny at the same time.

No, you REALLY think you're so high and mighty?
And if you didn't understand that by 15 year old KID he didn't mean the age he meant the fact that you're acting like a KID?
Look, the boy isn't half-dumb why are you all treating him like that, lighten up, it's not like he spammed at all
If it means anything to you Joshiwa, I appreciate what you're doing...

LOL! Here's the picture I promised:

And what's so wrong with the pic?

Really guys, start thinking before you crap out something you call "creativity"...

Just want to know

How is the overhaul on the department rules going so far?

At 1/15/08 09:34 AM, Lebastic wrote:

At 1/14/08 12:13 PM, RSQViper wrote: There is a difference. Right now the system we have in place caps you at 10 ranks in each dept (actually 9 unless you are the leader). You can top off at a point.

And?

And... you can TOP OFF. (I said that right there, hello?)

Using XR there will be no cap as you can always continue upwards and gain ranks using XR (the ranks aren't in place above, obviously, this was the XR system only but the furthest ranks would be set quite high. No one in the NGDD would be this rank yet.).

But you can still top off no?

No. You cannot. Because you can always add 1. Th eonly way to top off is to reach the very highest rank and quite honestly, I don't see that happening in a very long, long time.

When someone joins the club they would see the rules and the XR system. Looking at the XR system they would know this: "I gain XR by posting, reviewing, whistling, B/Ping, etc."

Don't they look at the ranking system and say "I gain ranks by posing, reviewing, whistling, B/Ping, etc." ?

Actually, they look at the ranking system and wonder what the heck that payment system is and what good its for. And then they want to know why it's so much work for something that adds to no more than brownie points. I know I did.

Look closely at what I'll do here:
"Nine ranks - 30,000 b/s, Deity whistle. Or 10,000 or more Flash reviews, silver whistle. Or Diety whistle AND level 48"
Now with 30 seconds of effort I corrected it so that all the possibilities are leveled out. If someone has one of the requirements he practically have the same experience in the portal as someone who has another. Simple no? didn't create a new system...

Simple, but absolutely restrictive in every aspect. Here you are saying you must do this AND/OR this to achieve one goal. Why? Why be so restrictive in any system? Example: Are reviews not as important as B/P? Or whislte level? Or anything else? WHy would we not count everything individually to allow freedom?

So you achieve one thing (Ex. Deity) and all that other stuff is useless. Your level is useless, reviews are useless. But, if someone has a Deity and 1,000 reviews they will outrank someone with just a Deity and 500 reviews in the new system (as they should).

If you do like above there will be a difference...

No, it's still the same. You have to gain one side of that either/or combo and the other stuff is pointless. I think we need to avoid doing that. The whole 1-10 ranks per department needs to be scrapped.

So, it isn't the same it's actually quite different and allows more freedom on how we use it as well as make everything in NG equally important.

And the ranking system doesn't?

No, it doesn't. People should be able to focus on whatever aspect of NG they like and not be held to off-balanced either/or situations and restrictions.

It also allows us to add in bonuses using contests and time-in the NGDD. The system we have in place now does none of this. It's a quagmire of a system and allows no growth.

Actually yours allows no growth, because people are gonna rely on contests to get points and rise through the ranks, while using payrolling in competitions will force people to do their duty without occasions because money does not affect rank.

No, they will rely on their daily stats AND contests.

Also, money is out the window. It was voted out of the NGDD so it's really a non-issue. Now it's about making contests mean something using the XR system.

Some people like the idea I set forward, some suggested changes that are good changes, but some people don't like it which is fine. But in any case if you don't like it, or even if you DO like it, come up with something else. Put another idea on the table, please. Right now we have the old system to choose from and the above XR system. That's not enough.

I won't come up with something new if I don't see the need for it, what I think we need is just IA members doing their job, like me, but I'm waiting for everyone to finish applauding these ideas that aren't helping much in the long run so I start doing comps and such...

I think people, for the most part, like the idea of the change because the old system is flawed.

Start getting creative and come up with something already. That goes for everyone.

If you all agree, we'll stop this redesign crap and make some contests...

Contests are coming after the ranking redesign. Voted and decided. I don't know why you're being so negative about things, bu that's your prerogative, I guess.

At 1/14/08 05:52 PM, AnalPenguinFarming wrote: No, this is what I don't like. You say "people like me" turn people away? No, I've busted my ass to make this a better place and I've thrown my ass on the line to get a member in at one point, so don't say "people like me" are the reason people won't want to join.

In all honesty mate, with the way you acted up on how he posted without being a member, I have to say, you were a somewhat asshole. Come on his post was intelligent, had a certain logic to it, I don't understand why he can't do that. A complete stranger trying to help, oh my god he should go hell for that shouldn't he?

Secondly, yea you gave your opinion and yea thats great and everything, but here's my problem and you SHOULD understand it before trying to make me look like the douche here.

Childish, but true answer: you started it

You posted your opinions without being admitted, when there are people being turned away all the time. You put yourself above those members. If you had thought about joining you should have done it.

He didn't do shit except trying to help, you should be grateful.

At 1/14/08 07:34 PM, ShortMonkey wrote: we don't need that NGDD money.

how would you reward a contest?

XR bonuses.

At 1/15/08 01:22 PM, RSQViper wrote: And... you can TOP OFF. (I said that right there, hello?)

I repeat myself: And?

No. You cannot. Because you can always add 1. Th eonly way to top off is to reach the very highest rank and quite honestly, I don't see that happening in a very long, long time.

But it will happen...

Actually, they look at the ranking system and wonder what the heck that payment system is and what good its for. And then they want to know why it's so much work for something that adds to no more than brownie points. I know I did.

Payment system is NGDD cash, wow that was a real tough one. Don't you realize that all NG stats are basically just brownie points?

Simple, but absolutely restrictive in every aspect. Here you are saying you must do this AND/OR this to achieve one goal. Why? Why be so restrictive in any system? Example: Are reviews not as important as B/P? Or whislte level? Or anything else? WHy would we not count everything individually to allow freedom?

Someone needs a lesson in formal logic.

when I say "and" between two things, means they should both be fulfilled, and when I say or, it means one of them should be fulfilled.
so x and y or w and z makes you choose between doing both x and y or doing neither but doing both w and z.
Understood?
Good.
Now the logic behind the current ranking system is:

Let's say you acheive 30000 b/p and deity whistle, it means you mastered rating a flash and you mastered reviewing since you are able to perfectly judge another review thus making you perfectly able to write a perfect one yourself

Now say you acheive 10000 reviews, you now know how to rate a movie and see the good and bad in it and you have mastered reviewing because of practice.

And say you earn a Deity level and you're level 48, it means that you've seen enough of the portal to know what's good and bad, and you know how to review.

Now between these three choices whatever one you choose you become a veteran in the same domain. That is the logic behind the current ranking system....

No, it doesn't. People should be able to focus on whatever aspect of NG they like and not be held to off-balanced either/or situations and restrictions.

Look above again you can choose between flagging, reviewing, b/p-ing and just depositing. Yet to rise in the ranks of the Portal dept. you must master the reviewing and judging, so in 2 out of 3 cases you choose two of those...

No, they will rely on their daily stats AND contests.

Their daily stats will help sure, but can't a guy get amazing results slack everyday and still be on the top of that list : YES HE CAN

Also, money is out the window. It was voted out of the NGDD so it's really a non-issue.

Was there any other choice?
But now that I'm replying to you I got an idea, how about we create USE for the money instead of completely removing it? that way you can both brag with your rank and use your hard work's pay.
I, for one, think it's a much better idea.

Now it's about making contests mean something using the XR system.

I think it's about setting things straight about the DD first...

I think people, for the most part, like the idea of the change because the old system is flawed.

TBH, now that I lookat it, it isn't, the club was perfect when I was participating in contests, how has it suddenly become flawed?

Contests are coming after the ranking redesign. Voted and decided. I don't know why you're being so negative about things, bu that's your prerogative, I guess.

I'm not being negative, I'm trying to be realistic, this just doesn't look like it's gonna work in the long run...

XR bonuses.

Check my suggestion about payment, if you'll actually use your payment in a practical way, I think it's much better than adding to an unique stat that does everything...

At 1/15/08 02:08 PM, Lebastic wrote:

At 1/15/08 01:22 PM, RSQViper wrote: And... you can TOP OFF. (I said that right there, hello?)

I repeat myself: And?

No. You cannot. Because you can always add 1. Th eonly way to top off is to reach the very highest rank and quite honestly, I don't see that happening in a very long, long time.

But it will happen...

Actually, they look at the ranking system and wonder what the heck that payment system is and what good its for. And then they want to know why it's so much work for something that adds to no more than brownie points. I know I did.

Payment system is NGDD cash, wow that was a real tough one. Don't you realize that all NG stats are basically just brownie points?

Simple, but absolutely restrictive in every aspect. Here you are saying you must do this AND/OR this to achieve one goal. Why? Why be so restrictive in any system? Example: Are reviews not as important as B/P? Or whislte level? Or anything else? Why would we not count everything individually to allow freedom?

Someone needs a lesson in formal logic.

No I don't. I already get exactly what you're saying. I also understand completely how the system currently works. You would be mistaken to take me, of all people, as a simpleton. And what I am saying is it's not the right way to do things.

when I say "and" between two things, means they should both be fulfilled, and when I say or, it means one of them should be fulfilled.

Right, but then you must choose a direction to go. With a different system you can just focus on what you like to do and still benefit and accelerate ranks without being held to an "and you need to do this" situation.

Their daily stats will help sure, but can't a guy get amazing results slack everyday and still be on the top of that list : YES HE CAN

This is extreme. I don't foresee people only busting ass for contests and not doing anything at other times. Yeah, it could happen here and there, but on a constant basis? I would highly doubt that.

Also, money is out the window. It was voted out of the NGDD so it's really a non-issue.

Was there any other choice?

Actually there was a choice. There was a choice to keep it. It was voted unanimously to remove it.

But now that I'm replying to you I got an idea, how about we create USE for the money instead of completely removing it? that way you can both brag with your rank and use your hard work's pay.
I, for one, think it's a much better idea.

We could do this, but there would need to be a use for it if there will be a pay structure. I wouldn't MIND having this as a stat, purely, but it needs to be worth something in some way. Like will it just be kudos? And who wants to do contests if that's all you get? Can it help you rank up? What will it do?

Now it's about making contests mean something using the XR system.

I think it's about setting things straight about the DD first...

Which included a new system that replaces money and rewards for contests and service. It all goes hand-in-hand.

I think people, for the most part, like the idea of the change because the old system is flawed.

TBH, now that I lookat it, it isn't, the club was perfect when I was participating in contests, how has it suddenly become flawed?

It was never perfect and I think that became obvious when it was brought up that change needed to happen and everyone agreed.

Contests are coming after the ranking redesign. Voted and decided. I don't know why you're being so negative about things, bu that's your prerogative, I guess.

I'm not being negative, I'm trying to be realistic, this just doesn't look like it's gonna work in the long run...

Maybe it will, maybe it won't. But it's not some horrible system or idea from the depths of Hell, either.

The system that is in place now has been there for quite some time and looking at the roster I can tell you this: We aren't growing.

Hence the changes and the proposal of a system that is different from the one in place now.

I wasn't the one who wanted to change things, but when it came to voting I heartily agreed and I actually did something about it by creating an idea for how to rank and reward.

Check my suggestion about payment, if you'll actually use your payment in a practical way, I think it's much better than adding to an unique stat that does everything...

Again, it would have to be practical, helpful in some way and actually worth something. Just using it as a separate stat does nothing. I would rather not end up making it into something that it already is: A useless stat no one uses that sits next to our rank.

At 1/15/08 02:38 PM, RSQViper wrote: No I don't. I already get exactly what you're saying. I also understand completely how the system currently works. You would be mistaken to take me, of all people, as a simpleton. And what I am saying is it's not the right way to do things.

Oh I know YOU are not a simpleton, I don't doubt your skills of observation at all, I was merely marking upon the fact that our current rank is much more qualitative and takes into consideration the fact that when you reach a certain level there's no such thing as knowing more or less, in this case acheiving nine ranks.

Right, but then you must choose a direction to go. With a different system you can just focus on what you like to do and still benefit and accelerate ranks without being held to an "and you need to do this" situation.

So basically one does what he pleases to get XR points, in this logic two people from the portal department can acheive the same rank one by doing his portal duty and the other by just posting around and a lucky deity whistle.

This is extreme. I don't foresee people only busting ass for contests and not doing anything at other times. Yeah, it could happen here and there, but on a constant basis? I would highly doubt that.

I used to do that...

Actually there was a choice. There was a choice to keep it. It was voted unanimously to remove it.

Let me rephrase that, was there another reforming choice? Of course let me add that I am not doubting someone's skill in coming up with ideas, nor accusing of dictatorship, only marking the fact that since everyone else is in favor of the reform and that was the only reformist choice, there was no other choice...

We could do this, but there would need to be a use for it if there will be a pay structure. I wouldn't MIND having this as a stat, purely, but it needs to be worth something in some way. Like will it just be kudos? And who wants to do contests if that's all you get? Can it help you rank up? What will it do?

You see? That's where our effort should be focused, how to improve the DD, but we need to improve what needs improving and I just made some research and found out that that "uselss" payroll system atleast was at some point exchangeable for newgrounds store credits, or something like that, I think something like that is worth keeping...

Which included a new system that replaces money and rewards for contests and service. It all goes hand-in-hand.

I found out it was equivalent of store credits, if we can use that isn't it reward enough?

It was never perfect and I think that became obvious when it was brought up that change needed to happen and everyone agreed.

I repeat myself , how has it suddenly become flawed you told me it did,I ask how? why?

Maybe it will, maybe it won't. But it's not some horrible system or idea from the depths of Hell, either.

It's a could-be-better system in my humble opinion...

The system that is in place now has been there for quite some time and looking at the roster I can tell you this: We aren't growing.

Are we diminsi\hing in numbers?

Hence the changes and the proposal of a system that is different from the one in place now.

It kinda bugs me though...

I wasn't the one who wanted to change things, but when it came to voting I heartily agreed and I actually did something about it by creating an idea for how to rank and reward.

That is your opinion and I respect it, though it's oher stuff that should deserve all this effort if you ask me..

Again, it would have to be practical, helpful in some way and actually worth something. Just using it as a separate stat does nothing. I would rather not end up making it into something that it already is: A useless stat no one uses that sits next to our rank.

Apparently it's been worth quite something for a long while...

Lebastic, you have to realize that RSQViper posted his idea for a system as I've said earlier and he even said himself that there may be some flaws that need to be changed you guys have had your Q&A going on back and forth, but if you have problems with his system, here's what I suggest you do. Take his system, and improve upon it and present it to us. RSQViper will make his system and present it as well. Anyone else who has a problem can make their own system.

This isn't about who is right or who has the better way of using a ranking system anymore, it's about getting one and a majority of the club to agree with it. Since this has gone on for so long I'm setting a date for all of the suggestions to be in for a new ranking system because this has gotten ridiculous.

All plans for the new ranking system must be submitted or PMed to me before 8:00 PM Newgrounds Time on Saturday, January 19, 2007. If you have a problem with this, PM me.

Also, if anyone has a problem with the way Cole or I handle situations with new/non members, you can also feel free to PM us instead of posting it on the main discussion and we can put things into perspective or apologize for behavior. I've felt I've been VERY fair with most new applicants and for people to be saying we handled the situation badly is ridiculous. To let everyone know, I DID send a couple of PMs back and forth between Joshiwa, so there are things people don't see.

Now, this is the new bill that I had meant to put up yesterday but just...got lazy to be totally honest with all of you.

The Heads of Departments will have their own say on who is admitted or kicked out of their own Department. HOWEVER if they are kicking a member out of their department or think a member should not be admitted into the NGDD a PM MUST be sent to one of the Admin with a valid reason as to why they made their decision. The Admins still do have the power to go over the Department Heads ruling, but they now have more say in who is admitted.

The reason behind this bill is because honestly, Cole and I are both Internal Affairs. I know nothing about Flash or Audio so if I were to admit someone based on what I can see they have done and ShortMonkey tells me he doesn't feel they qualify and gives a reason...then I re-evaluate the situation with the member. I know the Department Heads wanted their own say on the people being admitted into their Departments, and this is how it used to be back in the old NGDD days.
This is just a bill to be passed, so everyone needs to throw in a vote. Thanks for your time everyone.

Wow, I was just taking a shower and I thought of a ranking system that is simple...and not "complicated." But no one has to agree with it, an dI apologize if someone else presented this idea or whatever and people ignored it or I ignored it or something.

We just simply have contests. If you look back to the old NGDD pages there were things like "missions" for opportunities to rank up through the club. life gave me an example of this a long time ago so I'm going to use his. A higher ranking member posts up a Mission like "By Wednesday everyone has to get 10 bps and 10 Reviews, mission worth 5 XR." Everyone who does the mission gains XR. Some missions will have XR penalties for not doing it, but most won't.

The other way to gain XR is through contests obviously. This way members don't have to worry about stat whoring all the time to try and get enough posts for XR points or bps or anything like that, instead things like missions are almost requiring them to be active and constantly checking the club for new missions.

In regards to current members, we'll all be given a set amount of XR so that everyone isn't starting all over again as equals with 0 points. Department Heads will obviously get a decent amount, as will admins, but members of departments will gain a medium amount, and members on probation or just coming out will obviously get a smaller amount.

Yea, this may have flaws, but I'm throwing down my idea. It's simple and we don't have to worry about anything too ridiculous, and it's an easier job on the listkeeper than calculating XR for every single member every week. This way we aren't just a club that goes out on our seperate ways all the time to get stats, but instead a close knit group just looking to have fun in a competitive manner.

Again I apologize if this idea or variations of it were made, please don't yell at me, but I just wanted to get this idea out there just in case it hadn't been brought up yet.

How is everyone?

Me, im good.

This week is my mid-terms week.
A pain but what can i do about it.

For ones of the exams I had it only took me 30 minutes and you have to stay a full hour before you can leave. Well i only had to wait a few minutes. So yeah... peace out.

At 1/15/08 04:17 PM, Lebastic wrote:

At 1/15/08 02:38 PM, RSQViper wrote: No I don't. I already get exactly what you're saying. I also understand completely how the system currently works. You would be mistaken to take me, of all people, as a simpleton. And what I am saying is it's not the right way to do things.

Oh I know YOU are not a simpleton, I don't doubt your skills of observation at all, I was merely marking upon the fact that our current rank is much more qualitative and takes into consideration the fact that when you reach a certain level there's no such thing as knowing more or less, in this case acheiving nine ranks.

Right, but then you must choose a direction to go. With a different system you can just focus on what you like to do and still benefit and accelerate ranks without being held to an "and you need to do this" situation.

So basically one does what he pleases to get XR points, in this logic two people from the portal department can acheive the same rank one by doing his portal duty and the other by just posting around and a lucky deity whistle.

Well, no because posts wouldn't count inside the portal department because of the two tier system. Basically two types of XR. Overall XR to achieve the NGDD rank (things like Grande, Beginner, etc) and the departmental XR which is only things that apply to your department.

So, using that a Portal person would rank up in the portal department ONLY by doing portal things. So, say they made Warrant Officer I. And another person in Portal is a Staff Sergeant. In the department the Warrant Officer I would outrank the Staff Sergeant.

But, here's the kinda' cool part about the multi tier system. If the Staff Sergeant also makes Flash and has a lot of posts, they may have the rank of "Expert" and the Warrant Officer I may have the rank of "Amateur."

They would be an Expert Staff Sergeant and an Amateur Warrant Officer. (I used Expert and Amateur as pure demo reasons as these ranks have not been established yet)

Actually there was a choice. There was a choice to keep it. It was voted unanimously to remove it.

Let me rephrase that, was there another reforming choice? Of course let me add that I am not doubting someone's skill in coming up with ideas, nor accusing of dictatorship, only marking the fact that since everyone else is in favor of the reform and that was the only reformist choice, there was no other choice...

There was no other choice. I actually personally pushes for people to come up with other choices and I even tried a few others that I didn't like so never posted. I wanted more ideas put into the thread and not to only have my own to choose from.

You see? That's where our effort should be focused, how to improve the DD, but we need to improve what needs improving and I just made some research and found out that that "uselss" payroll system atleast was at some point exchangeable for newgrounds store credits, or something like that, I think something like that is worth keeping...

It is for exchanging NG Store Credit, but it was almost nothing and there was this odd symbol (§) that stood for a small sum of money (I want to say 0.05 US cents to 1 §, but I think it was even less.) Because no one really understood it and it was so little it basically just became a stat no one understood.

It was never perfect and I think that became obvious when it was brought up that change needed to happen and everyone agreed.

I repeat myself , how has it suddenly become flawed you told me it did,I ask how? why?

Ok, I am going to go thru the flaws of the system in-place. This is going to get long, so I apologize.

The BBS system is alright except the highest rank requires you have made another club which I find an odd requirement.

The Flash Department's requirements are off. It requires 10 Flash submissions and a BA of A+. Let me be the 1st to tell you this is not hard at all. Reason it's not hard is because your BA is only off of your highest scoring 3 Flash and an A+ is only a 3.50 or higher average. This is a piece of cake. It also requires a portal award and Daily 5th isn't the hardest thing to achieve especially if you jump into a collab.

So, with Flash once you achieve that, you're stuck. You have capped out and quick.

Audio Department is purely based on amount of submissions and Audio reviews. Personally, I don't know why Audio Reviews is here, but I also don't think an amount of submissions should be the basis of ranks when it comes to something where quality is the importance (Like Flash and Audio).

Portal Department has the most problems. The way it is built is in a cookie-cutter fashion where you have to fit into a pre-created criteria in order to achieve rank. If you don't care to whistle, you will be stuck at 3 ranks forever. Well, until you get level 28 (which jumps you from level 3 to level 6) which is also an odd requirement. Same goes for if someone only likes just doing 1 thing, like B/P.

For that example I give you Phantom who in this system would only have 7 ranks since he has only 405 Flash reviews and a gold whistle. It takes his 60,000 B/P and reduces them to the 15,000 B/P requirement of the 7th rank. I personally don't see how that's right. Luckily for him he's the leader of that dept, but someone else not in that position is getting screwed. Because he's focused on one thing he loved, B/P, he couldn't climb higher without going for Deity.

So, this is where that whole XR idea came from. I wanted to make a system that rewarded people for doing what they really liked doing as well as rewards for contests and time in.

I'm not saying that XR system is perfect, but I do feel it's the most fair and I think it would be a lot of fun to use.

I wish I could go into more detail, but I'm at work and time has become short. Back to the grind for me... =(

The system that is in place now has been there for quite some time and looking at the roster I can tell you this: We aren't growing.

Are we diminishing in numbers?

Well, we are increasing in inactive numbers and not really gaining anyone new, so I'd say yes we are diminishing.

Also, APF, I like the new idea of the Department Heads thing. I'd type more, but my lunch break is over. =)

Wow, RSQViper and Lebastic have been posting lenghty-ness. :)

At 1/13/08 10:57 PM, Hybrid-Of-Souls wrote: Besides, with portal department obviously going to be the largest, I guess I can chip some work into there as well and help whoever's dept. leader there (Odyssic if I'm correct?)

Also you could be do a list when a user is away for the updating. But most of are Heads of Depts are here regualry but, everybody needs holidays.

At 1/13/08 08:40 PM, TheThing wrote: What about experienced members joining the NGDD? It's not fair for a level 30 with 6,000 posts, 10,000 B/P, and 5 Flash Awards to prance in here and automatically pass (once past the probation period) another user who has been working hard in the club for the past 3 months.

If that happens but will be fairly rare, becasue they would of joined quite a while ago. But if it DID happen then they worked ot get to that position then they should be rewarded with a high rank.
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Also APF your idea is great. I am voting on this aswell, so maybe we could combine RSQ and APF'S?

At 1/15/08 05:40 PM, AnalPenguinFarming wrote: We just simply have contests. If you look back to the old NGDD pages there were things like "missions" for opportunities to rank up through the club. life gave me an example of this a long time ago so I'm going to use his. A higher ranking member posts up a Mission like "By Wednesday everyone has to get 10 bps and 10 Reviews, mission worth 5 XR." Everyone who does the mission gains XR. Some missions will have XR penalties for not doing it, but most won't.

Well, if this were to go into place there would have to be missions in every aspect of the NGDD. Like Flash missions, Audio, etc or it wouldn't be fair to those in other departments.

I like the missions idea, but not only using mission/rewards. It could be a cool thing to have as another thing we do here.

In regards to current members, we'll all be given a set amount of XR so that everyone isn't starting all over again as equals with 0 points. Department Heads will obviously get a decent amount, as will admins, but members of departments will gain a medium amount, and members on probation or just coming out will obviously get a smaller amount.

This would be pretty tough to do and be fair at the same time. Very tough.

Yea, this may have flaws, but I'm throwing down my idea. It's simple and we don't have to worry about anything too ridiculous, and it's an easier job on the listkeeper than calculating XR for every single member every week.

Not sure how easy doing that would be for a list keeper if they have to keep up with multiple missions.

This way we aren't just a club that goes out on our seperate ways all the time to get stats, but instead a close knit group just looking to have fun in a competitive manner.

It's a cool idea, but again, I don't think it should be all we do.

Again I apologize if this idea or variations of it were made, please don't yell at me, but I just wanted to get this idea out there just in case it hadn't been brought up yet.

I AM GOING TO YELL AT YOU!!!! ;-)

At 1/15/08 05:41 PM, DarkSoldier wrote: How is everyone?

Alright. Got a few written finals coming up in the next week. One's this Thursday, and another is sometime during the week we get back from MLK day.

Me, im good.

Good to hear, good to hear.

This week is my mid-terms week.

Sucks to be you, although I'm sure it's better than the finals I'll have both in 3 weeks and in June.

For ones of the exams I had it only took me 30 minutes and you have to stay a full hour before you can leave. Well i only had to wait a few minutes. So yeah... peace out.

I know how you feel. I'm one of the smarter kids in the class, even in the honors classes. So multiple choice tests go quick for me. But put an essay in front of me, and I'll be working until the bell.

At 1/15/08 05:40 PM, AnalPenguinFarming wrote: We just simply have contests. If you look back to the old NGDD pages there were things like "missions" for opportunities to rank up through the club. life gave me an example of this a long time ago so I'm going to use his. A higher ranking member posts up a Mission like "By Wednesday everyone has to get 10 bps and 10 Reviews, mission worth 5 XR." Everyone who does the mission gains XR. Some missions will have XR penalties for not doing it, but most won't.

I'm with this idea so far.

The other way to gain XR is through contests obviously. This way members don't have to worry about stat whoring all the time to try and get enough posts for XR points or bps or anything like that, instead things like missions are almost requiring them to be active and constantly checking the club for new missions.

Yes... There are so many ways to contribute to the club and NG, my idea is for the member to 'report' something substantial to the club and have it approved by their (or if it is another dept - it's dept head). It shouldn't be the list keepers job to 'hunt down' all the stats for all the members. If you contribute, tell us, and you will be rewarded.

In regards to current members, we'll all be given a set amount of XR so that everyone isn't starting all over again as equals with 0 points. Department Heads will obviously get a decent amount, as will admins, but members of departments will gain a medium amount, and members on probation or just coming out will obviously get a smaller amount.

EXACTLY!

Yea, this may have flaws, but I'm throwing down my idea. It's simple and we don't have to worry about anything too ridiculous, and it's an easier job on the listkeeper than calculating XR for every single member every week. This way we aren't just a club that goes out on our seperate ways all the time to get stats, but instead a close knit group just looking to have fun in a competitive manner.

Yes, I agree. Stats should only count once.

Again I apologize if this idea or variations of it were made, please don't yell at me, but I just wanted to get this idea out there just in case it hadn't been brought up yet.

Not yelling at all :)
I will post my idea after I talk to RSQViper

At 1/15/08 08:19 PM, TheThing wrote:

I know how you feel. I'm one of the smarter kids in the class, even in the honors classes. So multiple choice tests go quick for me. But put an essay in front of me, and I'll be working until the bell.

I'm not really the smartest kid in my class but in some subjects i just really am good at them.

The smartest kid in my class does the full 2 hours because ya know he wants "PERFECTION".

I understand that he wants a good mark but seriously.... i can't seem to finish the sentence >:(

At 1/15/08 10:04 PM, DarkSoldier wrote:

At 1/15/08 08:19 PM, TheThing wrote:

I know how you feel. I'm one of the smarter kids in the class, even in the honors classes. So multiple choice tests go quick for me. But put an essay in front of me, and I'll be working until the bell.

I'm not really the smartest kid in my class but in some subjects i just really am good at them.

Same. Although there does seem to be a good amount of smart kids in my class; I would consider myself the smartest, but there are other kids on the same plane as I.

The smartest kid in my class does the full 2 hours because ya know he wants "PERFECTION".

Well, he and his parents expects perfection, and he knows if he wants to do whatever jobs he wants, he needs to be perfect.

Hey people, I've been ill since monday thats why I haven't been posting at all. Also I missed a few days of getting experience.

At 1/16/08 03:37 PM, Odyssic wrote: Hey people, I've been ill since monday thats why I haven't been posting at all. Also I missed a few days of getting experience.

That sucks. Usually when you're sick, you post more since you can't go outside and no one wants to hang with you.

Sadly, I'm never sick. :(

At 1/16/08 05:07 PM, TheThing wrote:

At 1/16/08 03:37 PM, Odyssic wrote: Hey people, I've been ill since monday thats why I haven't been posting at all. Also I missed a few days of getting experience.

That sucks. Usually when you're sick, you post more since you can't go outside and no one wants to hang with you.

Sadly, I'm never sick. :(

Okaaaaaaaaayyyy...back on topic with this whole new system...despite the entire thing seeming complicated anyway, I'll see if I can pitch in any more ideas to this thing since Wednesdays are what I consider days that give me the least pressure. I'll hopefully be back with something.

At 1/16/08 05:32 PM, Hybrid-Of-Souls wrote:

At 1/16/08 05:07 PM, TheThing wrote:

At 1/16/08 03:37 PM, Odyssic wrote: Hey people, I've been ill since monday thats why I haven't been posting at all. Also I missed a few days of getting experience.

That sucks. Usually when you're sick, you post more since you can't go outside and no one wants to hang with you.

Sadly, I'm never sick. :(

Okaaaaaaaaayyyy...back on topic with this whole new system...despite the entire thing seeming complicated anyway, I'll see if I can pitch in any more ideas to this thing since Wednesdays are what I consider days that give me the least pressure. I'll hopefully be back with something.

Well first vote on the new bill that I'm trying to pass for department heads having more power please, and thank you. I'd like to make it official by tonight but people haven't really voted on it yet. Thanks a lot.

At 1/16/08 03:37 PM, Odyssic wrote: Hey people, I've been ill since monday thats why I haven't been posting at all. Also I missed a few days of getting experience.

Oh, no!! NOOO!!!!!

My level buddy has been taken down!!!

Ack!

At 1/16/08 05:48 PM, AnalPenguinFarming wrote: Vote on the new bill that I'm trying to pass for department heads having more power please, and thank you. I'd like to make it official by tonight but people haven't really voted on it yet. Thanks a lot.

I already voted yes. So... yes. Again.

At 1/16/08 05:54 PM, RSQViper wrote:

At 1/16/08 05:48 PM, AnalPenguinFarming wrote: Vote on the new bill that I'm trying to pass for department heads having more power please, and thank you. I'd like to make it official by tonight but people haven't really voted on it yet. Thanks a lot.

I already voted yes. So... yes. Again.

Haha thanks Viper. Guess what everyone...tomorrow I'm going to level up!!! Yea dooodz. And then this weekend I should have my new badge as long as my bp rate keeps on going. It's going to be weird becoming the prison shank, but it looks a lot better than the two sausages on a string I have right now.

At 1/16/08 05:48 PM, AnalPenguinFarming wrote: Well first vote on the new bill that I'm trying to pass for department heads having more power please, and thank you. I'd like to make it official by tonight but people haven't really voted on it yet. Thanks a lot.

I'M VOTING MY VOTING LASR!

Ahhh, back to oldskool NG. :)
Prefer the orange much more than that cold winter.

At 1/16/08 05:48 PM, AnalPenguinFarming wrote: Vote on the new bill that I'm trying to pass for department heads having more power please, and thank you. I'd like to make it official by tonight but people haven't really voted on it yet. Thanks a lot.

I already voted yes. So... yes. Again.

People with more power other than me?! I think not! Lol yeah I'm completely for that. I have NO CLUE what constitutes a good Audio submission. Also, STILL no pen in the mail! Hurry up Wacom!

Also, upon calling them, I discovered it is not, in fact, pronounced Way-kawm, but Wackem.