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CamelBJE

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http://online.wsj.co..mod%3Dgooglenews_wsj

CHICAGO—Last September, Bruce Lahn, a professor of human genetics at the University of Chicago, stood before a packed lecture hall and reported the results of a new DNA analysis: He had found signs of recent evolution in the brains of some people, but not of others.

It was a triumphant moment for the young scientist. He was up for tenure and his research was being featured in back-to-back articles in the country’s most prestigious science journal. Yet today, Dr. Lahn says he is moving away from the research. “It’s getting too controversial,” he says.

Dr. Lahn had touched a raw nerve in science: race and intelligence.

What Dr. Lahn told his audience was that genetic changes over the past several thousand years might be linked to brain size and intelligence. He flashed maps that showed the changes had taken hold and spread widely in Europe, Asia and the Americas, but weren’t common in sub-Saharan Africa.

Web sites and magazines promoting white “racialism” quickly seized on Dr. Lahn’s suggestive scientific snapshot. One magazine that blames black and Hispanic people for social ills hailed his discovery as “the moment the antiracists and egalitarians have dreaded.”

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More recently, Dr. Lahn says he was moved when a student asked him whether some knowledge might not be worth having. It is a notion to which he has been warming. Dr. Lahn says he once tried testing himself for which version of the brain genes he has. The experiment’s outcome was blurry “but it wasn’t looking good,” he says. He hasn’t tried testing himself again.


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Man what a fucking bullshit comment. 'Politically incorrect study'. That's a total contradiction: as long as it is a scientific study, so it's just 100% facts then it can't be someones oppinion. Just becouse you look at race-intelligence/whatever links doesn't mean you think other races are inferior. Poodles rock, pitbulls rock, get it? Just becouse you are invesigating or poodles are more inteligent then pitbulls don't mean you hate/discriminate pitbulls. >: (

racism is silly. But screaming 'ZOMFG POLITICALLY INCOORECNT' about scientificly done studies is bullcrap.


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That was very good, and at least Dr. Lahn is honest with his research instead of correcting it for PC purposes.


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At 6/17/06 10:01 AM, Ice-9 wrote: That was very good, and at least Dr. Lahn is honest with his research instead of correcting it for PC purposes.

Exactly, Science does not stop for politically correctness and sensitivity. If the evidence does shooow such results, then live with it.


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OMG that comic is right evoloution is basically racist ... thats crazy
i couldnt find the comic pic but its on the forums somewhere


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At 6/17/06 10:09 AM, CamelBJE wrote:
Exactly, Science does not stop for politically correctness and sensitivity. If the evidence does shooow such results, then live with it.

Yeah but the people who will oppose this are obviously those who it doesn't advantage, namely arabs, black people and hispanics.
A group of people known for their pacifism and quietness.


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This same shit happened with The Bell Curve , an 800 page tract on IQ that also had a chapter on race. After it came out everyone attacked its findings, but right now they still stand...


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At 6/17/06 10:35 AM, -poxpower- wrote:
At 6/17/06 10:09 AM, CamelBJE wrote:
Exactly, Science does not stop for politically correctness and sensitivity. If the evidence does shooow such results, then live with it.
Yeah but the people who will oppose this are obviously those who it doesn't advantage, namely arabs, black people and hispanics.
A group of people known for their pacifism and quietness.

arabs are mostly white einstein, they're only black in the southern regions, and blatantly european northside, it's over twenty nations.

and the study said subsaharan africa so adding hispanics to the list says more about you than the topic at hand.

Impeach the baboon.

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Race and gender equality ends at the law. Scientificly, there is plenty of diffrence, though no race is really supieror.


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we have gotten so politically correct we can't do studies on races? this is bullshit!

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Just because it may SEEM racist, it's not. The findings may, not CONCLUSIVELY, prove that there are racial differences.

It's like saying that a drug that works best for African-Americans is racist.


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At 6/17/06 10:00 AM, SynapsisB6 wrote: as long as it is a scientific study, so it's just 100% facts then it can't be someones oppinion.

not... exactly. scientific studies are conducted by people, and people have opinions. when hitler was in power, plenty of scientists apparently found "proof" that the "aryan race" was superior, and this was accepted as the truth at that time. it all depends WHICH facts you decide to look at.

Just becouse you are invesigating or poodles are more inteligent then pitbulls don't mean you hate/discriminate pitbulls. >: (

but by asking that specific question, you imply that there MUST be a difference between poodles and pitbulls. and you imply that its important which one is more intelligent.

well, i think all this "politically incorrect" (whatever thats supposed to mean) study needs is another study proving it wrong. which wont be that much of a problem, since studies are always proven wrong, then supported by other studies, proven wrong again, and so on and so forth. thats called scientific debate, by the way.

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Science isn't always providing empirical evidence. That's why, for a theory to be nearly universally accepted, it has to be proved more than once.


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This just shows much science is squelched by eqalitarian liberals maniacs as much at it is so by fundamentalist nutjobd. The one problem I have is that this guy states that brainsize is increasing in certain races and countries, but not what causes it. One could interpret this as having an ax to grind against a certain minority.

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First off, this thing isn't a fact, law or anything. It's not even a well wieghed Theory, this is what simply a single person saw in his tests.

There could be thousands of variables that he may have not tested before.

Between the idea And the reality
Between the motion And the act, Falls the Shadow
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Seriously thats just lame.....
I mean its just stupid to assume that THE only difference between races that have been seperated from each other and evolved to suit different environments over thousands of years is the colour of skin they have.


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Politically incorrect study my ass

If the information is true... then who the hell is the 'racist'?
God?

This isnt a 'theory' o racist propaganda but a 'discovery' or fact


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At 6/17/06 03:43 PM, JadedSoB wrote: The one problem I have is that this guy states that brainsize is increasing in certain races and countries, but not what causes it. One could interpret this as having an ax to grind against a certain minority.

You CANNOT always determine why, but it's pretty easy to determine what, but not neccessarily to what degree or even if it's 100% true.

Empirical studies have to be completed before we can COMPLETELY use this data as near 100% valid. Remember, nothing in science is static.


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we all arn't equal in the first place. it's ignorent to ignore that.


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At 6/17/06 10:09 AM, CamelBJE wrote: Exactly, Science does not stop for politically correctness and sensitivity. If the evidence does shooow such results, then live with it.

...but apparently science does stop for political corectness. Dr. Lahn is "moving away" from his research. It seems like a disaster to me.

If people don't want to hear the truth, they may lock themselves in their own rooms. Otherwise, science should be allowed to take its course.


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its not racist... people of different races are genetically different... its just a fact...


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