Christian Liberals? awwwaaaaaahhh?

[maxamas64]

How can you be a liberal and even call yourself Christian? left wing stands for everything Christians dont.....

[Thespus]

At 6/15/06 12:31 AM, maxamas64 wrote: How can you be a liberal and even call yourself Christian? left wing stands for everything Christians dont.....

Good point. New Man Law. If you're left-wing, no Bible.

[sdhonda]

Simple. You can follow the ten commandments, be a good person and all that ****. And you can vote for a party with liberal policies.

It's not that hard.....

[VigilanteNighthawk]

At 6/15/06 12:31 AM, maxamas64 wrote: How can you be a liberal and even call yourself Christian? left wing stands for everything Christians dont.....

Damned liberal Christians, paying too much attention to all that compassion, love, and nonjudgement nonsense Jesus was talking about. They need to read their Old Testaments again and pick and choose what they think Jesus would want them to follow.

Ok, sarcasm over. Different sects interpret the Bible differently using different views of the Bible and how it should be looked at. Some sects take a direct literal reading of a particular translation of the Bible. Some believe the Bible to be metaphorical, and some rely more on the work of the theologians who have studied different translations of the Bible as well as the historical trends and culture of the authors of the original texts.

Now, do you have any reasons behind your view, and if so could you please post them instead of just bitching?

[Jayemare]

Well, you could be for helping the poor and the enviroment and shit like that, but not:

Abortion, unrestricted free speech, pornography, homosexuality, sodomy, funding of anit-christian art, removal of all religion from the public sphere, evolution taught as fact, atheism, etc, all things supported by many so called "liberals"

[maxamas64]

At 6/15/06 12:50 AM, VigilanteNighthawk wrote:

Now, do you have any reasons behind your view, and if so could you please post them instead of just bitching?

wasnt really bitching, but anyway
lets see here: does the Bible say its ok to kill your baby? does the Bible say its ok to be gay and get married?(a Christian ritual) and yes, there are some things the Bible says that are bad about Republicans too, like killing this shit out of Muslim extremist terrorists, but hey, they hit first. "offer the other cheek" Clinton sure did.

[SkyCube]

At 6/15/06 12:57 AM, maxamas64 wrote: does the Bible say its ok to be gay

It doesn't say anything against being gay, just gay sex.

and get married?(a Christian ritual)

Marriage is a lot older than Christianity.

[RedGlare]

At 6/15/06 12:57 AM, maxamas64 wrote:

At 6/15/06 12:50 AM, VigilanteNighthawk wrote:

Now, do you have any reasons behind your view, and if so could you please post them instead of just bitching?

wasnt really bitching,

Yes it was

lets see here: does the Bible say its ok to kill your baby? does the Bible say its ok to be gay and get married?

Theres nothing in it against being gay just gay sex and most of thats in the old testament you know the jewish bible.

(a Christian ritual)

No it isnt ok you've clearly not reaserched understood or checked any of this did you?

and yes, there are some things the Bible says that are bad about Republicans too, like killing this shit out of Muslim extremist terrorists,

Muslims werent even around then fool. And you are aware that Jesus himself was left wing and its against the commandments to kill thats why some are against abortion. The Qaukers allow but dont encourage it.

but hey, they hit first. "offer the other cheek" Clinton sure did.

The other cheek is surprisingly effective in certain situations.

[SynapsisB6]

I agree. Christians are stupid. Liberals generally are less stupid.

[The-Dran]

At 6/15/06 12:53 AM, Jayemare wrote: Well, you could be for helping the poor and the enviroment and shit like that, but not:

Abortion, unrestricted free speech, pornography, homosexuality, sodomy, funding of anit-christian art, removal of all religion from the public sphere, evolution taught as fact, atheism, etc, all things supported by many so called "liberals"

Hey but atleast the liberals aren't actually following the Anti-Christ. I can't say the same thing for conservatives, because they generally are "subconsciously."

[RedGlare]

At 6/15/06 10:21 AM, SynapsisB6 wrote: I agree. Christians are stupid. Liberals generally are less stupid.

Got any proof that every Christian out of over 1billion people in the world are stupid?

[SynapsisB6]

At 6/15/06 10:51 AM, RedGlare wrote:

At 6/15/06 10:21 AM, SynapsisB6 wrote: I agree. Christians are stupid. Liberals generally are less stupid.

Got any proof that every Christian out of over 1billion people in the world are stupid?

They eat a pice of bread saying it is the body of christ. Kind of wacky right?

[RedGlare]

At 6/15/06 10:56 AM, SynapsisB6 wrote:

At 6/15/06 10:51 AM, RedGlare wrote:

At 6/15/06 10:21 AM, SynapsisB6 wrote: I agree. Christians are stupid. Liberals generally are less stupid.

Got any proof that every Christian out of over 1billion people in the world are stupid?

They eat a pice of bread saying it is the body of christ. Kind of wacky right?

Its called symbolism its everywhere from adverts tozoo's . And its a ceremony rembering someone like laying reefs at a senotaf or the haggis on burns night. And not every Christian does this so by blanket labeling its clear that you just have a grudge against people and have noway of proven that the majority of Christians are dumb.

[zendahl]

political stance and religeous belief are two diferent things all together. You're comparing apples to hamburgers. Faith and politics are two seperate things. Just because you believe a certain way in a religon doesn't mean it will affect your political stance. That doesn't mean it won't either though. Politics are run by man, and religon is dictated by whatever god you believe in.

[goozebump]

yeah zan, people always want somebody else to tell them what o do whetewr it be a metaphysical being or the goverment.

[zendahl]

At 6/15/06 11:20 AM, gooze_bump wrote: yeah zan, people always want somebody else to tell them what o do whetewr it be a metaphysical being or the goverment.

Well that's not entirely true either, you can hold a political belief that is contrary to you releous belief. For example, I think abortion is wrong, I think it is a form of murder, however, I don't think it's my place to legislate that. That would be forcing my beliefs on others. If a woman wants to do it, then I think that's a choise she needs to come to between herself, her doctor, and her god. Not with me though. Law has no place there. It's a contrast between my political stance and my religeous belief. I am in no position to judge on behalf of my god. That's the good thing about being open and honest about my place in the world, I can believe what I want and still have an unbiased political stance.

Ok now that that's out of the way, go ahead and flame me. (I'll likly get it from both sides on this one) just keep in mind that that's my stance and flaming me won't change it, so I hope you just hold it back.

[MoralLibertarian]

lolzor.

How can you be a true follower of Jesus and not be a socialist?

[zendahl]

At 6/15/06 11:50 AM, MoralLibertarian wrote: lolzor.

How can you be a true follower of Jesus and not be a socialist?

Because I interperate diferent than you I guess. My religon is Christian, My faith is not. I don't think there is a wrong answer to the god question. If you believe in anything you're right.

[Guitarmy]

At 6/15/06 12:31 AM, maxamas64 wrote: How can you be a liberal and even call yourself Christian? left wing stands for everything Christians dont.....

Asshole, liberal has nothing to do with which wing of politics you associate yourself there are plenty of 'liberal' right-wingers, It's a social term.

[Godlimations]

im Christian, why is it a joke. go to godlimations.com :)

[Memorize]

At 6/15/06 11:50 AM, MoralLibertarian wrote:

How can you be a true follower of Jesus and not be a socialist?

How can you be a follower of Muhammed and not blow shit up?

[BigBlueBalls]

At 6/15/06 12:31 AM, maxamas64 wrote: How can you be a liberal and even call yourself Christian? left wing stands for everything Christians dont.....

Um Jesus was a Liberal..

How can you be a Conservative and actually believe Jesus' teachings?

[afliXion]

Liberals have there own version of Christianity. Every liberal church I've ever been to, spent just as much time and maybe alittle more bashing Bush rather than preaching the gospel. I think most 'liberal christians' just use Christianity as a way to make them look more caring, sense they only like verses like 'love your enemy' and 'don't judge.' In my humble opinion, I don't believe that one can be a liberal and a Bible-based Christian. It just doesn't work.

[afliXion]

O yea... they also like to think that Jesus was liberal. Well, shows you how much the know about Jewish history or Jesus or scripture or pretty much anything. It might surprise you guys to know that Jesus rarely said anything new. "It's easier for a blind man to pass through the needle of an eye" "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" Lots of old Rabbi's said that. When he wasn't teaching the tradition of the Rabbi's, which He was of course well schooled in, Jesus ALWAYS used scripture to refute those who spoke against Him. Jesus also said that He came to do the will of the Father. So that means a Jesus was not liberal or conservative. He wasn't affiliated with a political party. He was doing the will of God. The only reason people call Him liberal sometimes is because of the way the Jews of the day responded to Him. They responded that way because they had false ideas on what the Messiah would be like, and other things.

[zendahl]

I somehow doubt jesus held much of a political opinion.

[The-Dran]

At 6/19/06 08:51 PM, AccessCode wrote:

At 6/15/06 11:50 AM, MoralLibertarian wrote:

How can you be a true follower of Jesus and not be a socialist?

How can you be a follower of Muhammed and not blow shit up?

Because most Muslims don't blow anything up. Only a handful do and this get's over-rated and over-exaggerated by the media. Because the media loves having a target to work off of. It helps them get a whole lot of cash, because a whole lot of people get interested.

I mean think of how white people got so interested in keeping the black man down for so long and treating Native Americans so poorly. Or treating the Chinese so poorly. Because some people just love making themselves seem better than others. I bet if we weren't block from any evidence supporting terrorism made by Americans are view on muslims would change dramatically.

[Jayemare]

At 6/20/06 12:14 AM, Annunaki_Decendent wrote: Because most Muslims don't blow anything up. Only a handful do and this get's over-rated and over-exaggerated by the media. Because the media loves having a target to work off of. It helps them get a whole lot of cash, because a whole lot of people get interested.
I mean think of how white people got so interested in keeping the black man down for so long and treating Native Americans so poorly. Or treating the Chinese so poorly. Because some people just love making themselves seem better than others. I bet if we weren't block from any evidence supporting terrorism made by Americans are view on muslims would change dramatically.

All I heard was "blah blah blah whites are worse than muslims and I condone, no actually support, terrorists and islam is a religion of peace" pc bullshit.

[JakeHero]

I'm not going to lie and say I don't dislike fundamentalists, but I hate the so-called "liberal christian myth." The problem with these people is they actually nit-pick the parts of christianity they don't like. An example of this is their support for the notion that homosexuality is natural and alright, despite it being said in both the Old and New Testament that homosexuality is an abomination. What these people don't understand is that religion isn't something that can be compromised upon.

Another interesting thing is some "liberal-christians" being against capital punishment. Some justify this by Jesus stopping a gaggle of people from stoning an adulterous woman. What they don't realize is in this case Jesus was stopping hypocrisy. These men were all as guilty as the women when it came to infidelity and hedonistic lust. When Jesus said "Let he who is without Sin cast the first stone." He was using a paradox to say it was not their place to put this women to death: because they were duly guilty of the crime. Infact, I interpret this as Jesus being for execution because he didn't say "Do not cast the first stone, for this a punishment only for God, thy lord to decide."

The difference between fundamentalists and new-age christians is that fundamentalists are actually true to the religion. I won't go as far to say liberals can't be christians at the same time, but I believe the most they are is quasi-christians. Choosing which parts of the religion they do not like and disregarding it.

[Memorize]

At 6/20/06 12:14 AM, Annunaki_Decendent wrote:

At 6/19/06 08:51 PM, AccessCode wrote:

At 6/15/06 11:50 AM, MoralLibertarian wrote:

How can you be a true follower of Jesus and not be a socialist?

How can you be a follower of Muhammed and not blow shit up?

Because most Muslims don't blow anything up. Only a handful do and this get's over-rated and over-exaggerated by the media. Because the media loves having a target to work off of. It helps them get a whole lot of cash, because a whole lot of people get interested.

Just like how most christians aren't liberal or socialists.

I mean think of how white people got so interested in keeping the black man down for so long and treating Native Americans so poorly. Or treating the Chinese so poorly. Because some people just love making themselves seem better than others. I bet if we weren't block from any evidence supporting terrorism made by Americans are view on muslims would change dramatically.

Im American Indian. Do I still count as a white guy?
Also, blacks sold blacks to the white man. Native Americans weren't treated as "harshly", not as slaves anyway.

[JakeHero]

Indians had the right idea. They fought to death in order to perserve their culture and land. They may have failed, but they succeeded in garnering my respect.