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At 7/18/06 05:11 PM, Excalibur27 wrote: to the author:

Karl Marx said something to that effect.
He said that while communism would be a an ideal government, it is futile to pursue it.
Because it is a utopia, and there cannot be a utopia on earth.
According to Marx, comminism is basically just a wonderous fairy tale, like a unicorn or El Dorado.

People misunderstood him though, and pretty much said "Hey this really smart guy called communism "ideal", so it must be good!! Lets all be communists!!".

When he was really telling people to not even attempt establishing a communist government because it is an impossibility.

True to some effect. Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels did predict that a communist revolution would start, but they guessed wrong (I forget the 2 places where it occured). It still did occur though. They predicted it and it would happen, AND agreed that it was the right thing to occur, but they did know it wouldn't last.

At 6/9/06 02:21 PM, JakeHero wrote: First of all: "People get paid regardless" is a stupid idea off the fringe. Some people are naturally lazy, like dyslexics and will not produce as much high quality of work as the next joe.

yuor a bitch man. im dyslexci and i wrok my ass off only to get a god danm c in my clasess.

Even Bill O' Rielly [The evil conservative] has said that communism might have a chance at working if human nature wasn't as it was.

"if greed, venality, fanaticism, sociopathy, sloth, and emotional ilness did not exist, the the vision might have a chance at sucess. But as we've seen throughout history, utopian philosophies are impossible to impose and totalitarianism is often the result of trying, hello, soviet union, cuba, and maoist china."

I have an idea! Let's just ship all of our communists to Cuba. Problem solved.

At 6/9/06 01:48 PM, SpankyX2 wrote: Communism is perfect but because of man's imperfections communism shall never succcede.

actually i think one day it can work.
true it isnt a bad thing, it just came too early.

You all SUCK

oh yes comunism is perfect North Korea and Soviet Russia are perfect examples

At 6/9/06 02:45 PM, Proteas wrote: .... then what is there to debate?

The debate is that communism is evil. I wouldn't call it evil outright, but it's definitely a seed of evil. The poster makes excuses for why communism fails: because mankind is imperfect, but communism itself is the perfect system. The perfect system would be one that empowers human nature; not one that tries to subvert it, which is exactly what communism does. It forces you to be equal for the good of the system; and less equal than others at that. To limit who you are and what you can do. Because for communism to work, all power must be first given to a central authority. The central authority is either supposed to govern a revolution, or transform democracies into proletariat communities by redistributing the goods equally to all people. The central authority does neither. Ever.

This is because people commit the ultimate political sin in communism: grant politicians unlimited resources and power to make choices for them. Capitalism gives the poor a choice to either maintain a high-standard of living or live it. Communism gives the poor guns and a reason to incite class-warfare. Take your pick.

Communism and capitalism both rock and suck at the same time. Other people have explained this already, but my thought is:

Communism destroys itself from the inside. Control over every single economic factor that occurs
in a civilization is not easy. Under natural human instincts, corruption would always happen. The idea of
trying to build a society where everything is perfect is impossible because if fantasies like that ever happened,
it wouldn't be a fantasy. This is what makes realism what it is.

Capitalism sucks balls too. Companies exploit their employees and make them work hard for low wage. Even though capitalism
gives people the opportunity to move from low-class to high-class, capitalism is still what defines low-class and high-class.
Capitalism also naturally plays monopoly; private business have no chance against Wal-Mart. Eventually, capitalism leads to
just one big market where one person owns everything, and basically controls everyone's share of money.

no capitalism is still better its about using your potential not get paid this much with a medeyoker job

Communism=bad
capitalizism=better
?=best

Some one correct me if im wrong, but in communist countries, an object is worth the labor put into it is it not?

COMMUNISM REQUIRES A STATE OF CONSTANT DEGRADATION LEADING UP TO A STATE OF REVOLUTION! we are in the current state of degrading, soon there will be a revolution and all of the unsightly non white peoples that have ravished america will rape and murder white people.

At 9/5/07 05:06 PM, BloodCummer wrote: COMMUNISM REQUIRES A STATE OF CONSTANT DEGRADATION LEADING UP TO A STATE OF REVOLUTION! we are in the current state of degrading, soon there will be a revolution and all of the unsightly non white peoples that have ravished america will rape and murder white people.

We are not in a state of degradation, as the standard of living and our economic strength is continuously increasing. Thus, no such revolution is likely in the near future.

At 9/4/07 04:19 PM, Silvermead wrote: yuor a bitch man. im dyslexci and i wrok my ass off only to get a god danm c in my clasess.

My bad. I was kinda trolling with that post, way back in 2006.

Ooh can I end this topic?

Question: communism isn't bad?

Answer: yes it is.

As I stated in all the other communism topics:

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The Revolution is coming! I'll make it happen! You'll see!

To anyone who thinks Communism is good: you are most likely looking at the poor side. What if you are richer than most people? You will LOSE money, and also hate communism.

It's not supposed to be bad, but it is bad. Just google communism - what is it

At 9/6/07 06:24 PM, kahncccp wrote: The Revolution is coming! I'll make it happen! You'll see!

Your revolution is dead rebel, all that is left is for you to abandon all hope and submit.

Ceterum censeo communism esse delendam

Fail communism is fail.

kahncccp YOUR A IDIOT