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At 5/31/06 08:51 PM, -poxpower- wrote:

At 5/31/06 08:47 PM, YankeeFli wrote:

I live in Canada.
Don't go talking to me about bad growing seasons.

And there IS such a thing as importing. Grow your potatoes and be quiet. Haha

They already import, thats what they do.

Besides, thier cattle and sheep are still used for exporting.

At 5/31/06 08:37 PM, -poxpower- wrote: uuuh you stop growing grass and you grow oat instead?
That's sort of the plan.

Well in that case, why not just plant a bunch of potatoes in the desert? We're not using that land at all, and obviously land of any quality can be used to produce any grade of any crop that I want.

At 5/31/06 02:28 PM, NewYY1 wrote: In the history of forever, I have never seen a vegitarian live past the age of 55. What's up with that?

Then my great grand mother doesn't exist. She is 106 and still kicking

At 5/31/06 09:05 PM, Elfer wrote:

At 5/31/06 08:37 PM, -poxpower- wrote: uuuh you stop growing grass and you grow oat instead?
That's sort of the plan.

Well in that case, why not just plant a bunch of potatoes in the desert?

thats a great idea! why didn't we think of this before?? if the potatos manage to survive the lack of usable ground, small amount of fresh water, searing heat and contant storms then world hunger would be wiped off the earth.

At 5/31/06 04:55 PM, Proteas wrote:

At 5/31/06 04:25 PM, fli wrote: Vegetarianism isn't unhealthy. Some Indian relgions, sects of Hinduism, are vegetarian from birth, and they live and die till they're wrinkled and tiny like a prune.

Pardon me if I'm wrong, but aren't Hindu's vegetarian because they believe their ancestors are reincarnated as livestock?

your wrong

At 5/31/06 09:23 PM, Engelsman wrote:

At 5/31/06 09:05 PM, Elfer wrote:

At 5/31/06 08:37 PM, -poxpower- wrote:

thats a great idea! why didn't we think of this before?? if the potatos manage to survive the lack of usable ground, small amount of fresh water, searing heat and contant storms then world hunger would be wiped off the earth.

He was being sarcastic.

Though to note, only 23.23% of Great Britian is arable land or 56121.357 square kilometers.

http://www.cia.gov/c..ook/geos/uk.html#Geo

At 5/31/06 09:47 PM, YankeeFli wrote:

He was being sarcastic.

...............so was i....

Though to note, only 23.23% of Great Britian is arable land or 56121.357 square kilometers.

http://www.cia.gov/c..ook/geos/uk.html#Geo

yes, because most of what's left is being used forlivestock

"... vitamin B12 is found only in animal products. Without enough B12, the body suffers irreversible nerve damage. A vegetarian diet also can be low in calcium, iron, zinc and vitamin D. Supplements can help. But experts caution against relying on them too heavily.

The more limited the diet, the more challenging it is to give your body what it needs. Vegetarians also must make sure their food choices add up to enough calories for energy."

Southcoast Hospitals Group

At 5/31/06 09:47 PM, YankeeFli wrote:

Though to note, only 23.23% of Great Britian is arable land or 56121.357 square kilometers.

Yay we got 4.57% here in freezeland.

I doubt that the land used to feed cattle is SOOOOOOOOOOOO bad and shitty that nothing could be grown in it for human comsumption.

At 5/31/06 08:47 PM, YankeeFli wrote:

At 5/31/06 08:37 PM, -poxpower- wrote:

At 5/31/06 07:49 PM, Elfer wrote:

At 5/31/06 06:01 PM, Engelsman wrote:

uuuh you stop growing grass and you grow oat instead?
That's sort of the plan.

Except that the soil and growing season in England isn't that great.

It may not be good for luxury food, but things like potatoes, corn and other things which keep for a long time and can be exported easily grow just fine. The kind of things that would be useful in Africa right now.

At 5/31/06 09:05 PM, Elfer wrote:

At 5/31/06 08:37 PM, -poxpower- wrote: uuuh you stop growing grass and you grow oat instead?
That's sort of the plan.

Well in that case, why not just plant a bunch of potatoes in the desert? We're not using that land at all, and obviously land of any quality can be used to produce any grade of any crop that I want.

We already have.

http://www.kivaconsu..g.com/images/CPI.jpg

Also, I'd prefer it if you didn't refer to the lush, green and agriculturally fertile landscape outside my window, as as barren as a desert.

At 6/1/06 05:56 AM, elkrobber wrote:

At 5/31/06 08:47 PM, YankeeFli wrote:

At 5/31/06 08:37 PM, -poxpower- wrote:

At 5/31/06 07:49 PM, Elfer wrote:

At 5/31/06 06:01 PM, Engelsman wrote:

It may not be good for luxury food, but things like potatoes, corn and other things which keep for a long time and can be exported easily grow just fine. The kind of things that would be useful in Africa right now.

Potatoes as your only vegetable are pretty much crap for your body though.

And besides the fact, Britian revieces income from cattle exports.

At 5/31/06 05:00 PM, Randall81 wrote:

:And yes, I understand that vegetarians and vegans have to eat SOMEHING and it's the lesser of two evils, but I still love it...

Heh, yeah, ethical vegatarians are pretty fucked. Most farmers poison and trap their fields for rabbits just so that they get a bigger harvest. Hahahahaha.

You know what's really sad about Africa? They have great growing season and soil.

At 6/1/06 10:43 AM, Guitarmy wrote: You know what's really sad about Africa? They have great growing season and soil.

Well, the middle and the south do.

North Africa is all desert.

meat ihas rotted once it gets to the digestive thingy. So if yout a vegitarian you will have less poison in your sistem.

I can't believe you guys, a bunch of vegatable murderers. Join P.A.S.S.I.V.E.
the People Against the Senseless Slaughter of Innocent Vegetable Entities.

At 7/15/07 01:45 PM, MonkKing wrote: meat ihas rotted once it gets to the digestive thingy. So if yout a vegitarian you will have less poison in your sistem.

You obviously haven't the slightest clue about the subject. I mean, "digestive thingy?"

At 5/31/06 02:28 PM, NewYY1 wrote: In the history of forever, I have never seen a vegitarian live past the age of 55. What's up with that?

Then you probably havn't seen a true vegitarian

At 5/31/06 04:18 PM, flippinell wrote: If your a vegitarian you can still get enough protein in your system by eatin beans and the like.
Plus I'm not a vegitarian because if you give up meat because of moral reasons by my philosophy you have to become a vegan. That cow sure wouldn't have liked it when you took off it's skin to make those real nice leather boots

I Agree, i try to stop eating meat for my moral reasons, it's hard like if a person was to stop smoking but i will stop eating it soon enough

What I don't get about vegetarians is the group of people who say that humans were not intended to eat meat, that it's un-natural to do so.

Do something for me; take your tongue, and run it along your teeth. Feel all those sharp points and rough edges? If you weren't meant to eat meat at all (both from a biological and evolutionary standpoint) you wouldn't have those, because those sharp points and the like are meant for tearing and grinding MEAT. If humans were meant to plants and only plants, our teeth would be smooth and flat... much like a cow's teeth, ironically enough.

I'm not saying that you should use that as an excuse to go out and eat five pounds of porterhouse steak or anything, anything taken to excess is always bad for you (just look at the ill effects the Atkins diet has on people), I'm aiming this statement at the "MEAT IS MURDER" crowd. Fur is murder, okay? Meat is not.

To borrow from Sam Kinison and Chris Rock, we live in the land of the free and the home of the brave, where you can eat 24 hours a DAY if you want to while people in other countries starve to death.... and you're going to sit there and try to emulate the figures these starving kids you see on the tv have and play YOURSELF off as the morally superior one by abstaining from eating meat?

Change the channel, eat a big mac, and GO FUCK YOURSELF.

At 7/15/07 07:54 PM, Proteas wrote: To borrow from Sam Kinison and Chris Rock, we live in the land of the free and the home of the brave, where you can eat 24 hours a DAY if you want to while people in other countries starve to death.... and you're going to sit there and try to emulate the figures these starving kids you see on the tv have and play YOURSELF off as the morally superior one by abstaining from eating meat?

Change the channel, eat a big mac, and GO FUCK YOURSELF.

Proteas, I doubt there's many vegetarians that refrain from eating meat to look like starving people to draw sympathy. The vegetarians that I know refrain from meat for three reasons:

1. Eating less or no meat is more healthy than the meat-based diet most Americans are raised around. Moreover, vegetables are usually cheaper than meat, and it often easier and cheaper to make a full, nutritious meal without meat than it is with meat. In addition, there's less worry about food related diseases, such as salmonella.

2. It takes less land and other resources to raise grain, etc. for human consumption than it does to raise it to feed to livestock, then use the livestock for human consumption.

3. They object to how cattle, pigs, etc. are treated and raised, in what they consider to be inhumane conditions.

All three, I think, are valid concerns.

At 7/15/07 08:05 PM, IllustriousPotentate wrote: Proteas, I doubt there's many vegetarians that refrain from eating meat to look like starving people to draw sympathy.

But isn't that the style anymore? "Starving to be beautful?"

1. Eating less or no meat is more healthy than the meat-based diet most Americans are raised around.

I pointed that out, as evidence by the extremes taken by those who partook/partake in the Atkins diet and the like.

3. They object to how cattle, pigs, etc. are treated and raised, in what they consider to be inhumane conditions.

Not every farm animal in the world is treated the way PETA would have you believe, man.

http://www.amazon.com/Meals-Come-History-Cali fornia-Studies/dp/0520250354

Meals to Come. Interesting book, kinda boring in the middle.

There's also an article I think is called "our saccharine selves", but I forgot the title. Deals with sugar and the implications (socio-political-economic) of sugar consumption.

Both summarize pretty much the same thing:
Meat and sugar consumption are signs of wealth and status.

I don't have a problem with vegetarians, as long as you don't try to lecture me on how much of a "bad" person I am for eating meat. Or tell me "do you know what they DO to those poor animals?!?!?"

Yeah I do. Now let me enjoy my veal in peace.

Vegetarians don't get enough vitamin B-12. You don't find that in fruits or vegetables.

Ah, another misguided meat eater.
A vegetarian lifestyle, while being untastier, is perfectly healthy, and is more or less what we evolved to eat.
Early man lived mainly on a staple of nuts, berries, and fruit, berries mostly (which are some of the healthiest foods on earth) and on dead animals that predators already killed. We were meant to eat very, very small amounts of meat. The only thing that's bad is an entirely meat lifestyle. Vegetarians can have at it, but I still like me some meat.

At 7/15/07 08:41 PM, ApotheosisLost wrote: Ah, another misguided meat eater.
A vegetarian lifestyle, while being untastier, is perfectly healthy, and is more or less what we evolved to eat.
Early man lived mainly on a staple of nuts, berries, and fruit, berries mostly (which are some of the healthiest foods on earth) and on dead animals that predators already killed. We were meant to eat very, very small amounts of meat. The only thing that's bad is an entirely meat lifestyle. Vegetarians can have at it, but I still like me some meat.

High protein is essential for athletes who burn mass amounts of calories. The average 70 kg (154 pound) cyclist will need from 80 to 100 grams of protein per day.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi ?u=grill

At 5/31/06 11:14 PM, xSarCastiCx wrote: A vegetarian diet also can be low in calcium, iron, zinc and vitamin D.

Any diet CAN be short in these things. The typical American diet is vitamin-poor and calorie-dense.

On the flip side, generally, vegetarians often eat more fruits and vegetables. Leafy greens popular in vegetarian cooking are vitamin-rich.

The fact of the matter is that whether or not a perfect meat-eating diet or a perfect vegetarian diet is more ideal is rather immaterial. 99.9% of the population does not eat a diet based on only nutrition. Many food decisions are based on emotional need, comfort, convenience, and pleasure. Why shouldn't ethics join that list, if people feel the need?

We evolved to eat meat therefore not doing so is unhealthy end of story. I have never met a strong fight and healthy vegetarian (not to say they don’t exist I just never met one and I’ve met droves of veggie’s) they’ve all been weak and skinny or really fat and at least 3 of them went anemic and switched back to omnivores. Also there is really no good reason to be a veggie.
I will state common non health related reasons for vegetarianism and then denounce them in the most insensitive way I can.
1. people who don’t eat meat in protest of the meat industry
Reason there stupid: you will never convince enough people to make a dent you should stop being lazy and stage a protest start an awareness group play politics.
2. It’s disgusting and or I don’t like it.
Reason that’s stupid: its disgusting because you can’t cook take lessons (Give me a smart monkey and I’ll make him a chef) you can learn.
3. childhood trauma:
Reason that’s stupid: you have a mental illness there is nothing wrong with meat go see a therapist and get over it.

Furthermore Hitler was a vegetarian (well actually that was quite pointless, but it is true)

Vote Giuliani!!!!!!!!
The only republican candidate that won’t burn you at the stake for having an abortion an then destroy the Supreme Court