Animal Cruelty !Go Veggie!

[tru-calling]

I am a vegetarian and have been my whole life I think if people want to eat meat it is up to the individual and not me to judge. But animal testing is another thing its disgusting! Tell me what you think. For some gruesome pictures go to http://www.viva.org.uk/!!

[SonicSheep]

At 5/29/06 01:37 PM, tru_calling wrote: I am a vegetarian and have been my whole life I think if people want to eat meat it is up to the individual and not me to judge. But animal testing is another thing its disgusting! Tell me what you think. For some gruesome pictures go to http://www.viva.org.uk/!!

im right behind u, i mean, animals live, they breath, they have sex, they feel, just as humans do, (humans are classed as animals too, but oh well) thousands of animals die, for 1 cure to diesese, which i think, why not test on humans waiting to be executed, itd give more accurate results, and since noone wants to be tested on, itd make people think twice b4 they break the bloody law

[MegalomaniacVirus]

Can you show me a picture of a healthy vegetarian?

That's what I thought.

[LordDarlington]

At 5/29/06 02:16 PM, MegalomaniacVirus wrote: Can you show me a picture of a healthy vegetarian?

That's what I thought.

Unfortunately, I don't have a picture of myself.

But if I did I could.

[SonicSheep]

i admit im no vegetarian, i eat sausages, burgers, etc, BUT, there deaths are quick, and each one provides a good couple of meal to feed a family,
it takes hundreds of animals, being tortured, and put thru endless torment in research labs just to find answears which could be found quicker from human test subjects, (like humans waiting to be executed)

[MegalomaniacVirus]

At 5/29/06 02:17 PM, Doitzel wrote:

At 5/29/06 02:16 PM, MegalomaniacVirus wrote: Can you show me a picture of a healthy vegetarian?

That's what I thought.

Unfortunately, I don't have a picture of myself.

But if I did I could.

How long have you been one? I'm talking about a 10 year vegetarian.

[x-Toadenalin-x]

Can I play Devil's Advocate?

Animal testing is widely regarded as having heralded many medical breakthroughs. Although I agree cosmetics testing is cruel and unescassary, I believe vivasection to be a vital part of breakthrough medical research.

Since I have no problem (ethically) with saying "I would rather a total stranger died than myself", I also have no problem with saying "I would rather an animal died than myself". Everything else is a matter of getting the right legislation to protect animals but not stifle creativity.

[Kenzu]

animals must be protected by law!

[SirLebowski]

At 5/29/06 02:18 PM, SonicSheep wrote: i admit im no vegetarian, i eat sausages, burgers, etc, BUT, there deaths are quick, and each one provides a good couple of meal to feed a family,
it takes hundreds of animals, being tortured, and put thru endless torment in research labs just to find answears which could be found quicker from human test subjects, (like humans waiting to be executed)

The only different being, they are not human. They are another species. And pseudo-compassion for cute little furry animals doesn't help anyone.

[CyanClock]

I did NOT climb to the top of the food chain to eat carrots!

[user001b]

would you rather test on humans?

[Engelsman]

power to the veggies!!!

At 5/29/06 02:18 PM, SonicSheep wrote: i admit im no vegetarian, i eat sausages, burgers, etc, BUT, there deaths are quick, and each one provides a good couple of meal to feed a family,

in todays factory farming industries animals are bred for the soul purpose of being killed and eaten. Because today money is everything, farmers cut back on things that they dont absolutely need and put in things that will get them more money (Hormonally ingested dead animals are not really something i like eating).

Animals are packed into conditions that even rapists/murderers/pedophiles, in prison, are not allowed to be put into. They have no room to turn around, never see daylight or take a breath of fresh air, and never get to run outside. Because they grow at an accelerated rate, their bodies cannot take the strain so their legs break under the weight so most are crippled.

There are no "official" ways that animals have to be slaughtered so it can be anything from a clean cut to the throat, to having their brains dashed out against a stone floor. Now i know thats it's very unlikely that the entire world would go veggie, but i believe that if animals do have to be killed, the conditions in which they stay must be suitable (no 5 star accomodation, you get the idea) and their death must be as painless as possible.

For animal testing, i believe it is wrong to use animals as they are living creatures. If it is absolutely necessary to use animals, which most people probably will agree it is, there must be a way in which they can be kept in better conditions such as larger cages or something. Just a slight compromise to what their fate will be. Then again, use humans... at least they'd be voluntary.

On the other hand, before people start moaning at me, dont get me wrong. if it was between me and the cute little bunny, the bunny would die everytime. And i have never tried to force my vegetarianism on any people. This is just a little information about what really happens. It's up to the individual to decide what they want to do. If that's eating meat, then fine as long as no omnivores would force me to eat it aswell

*waits patiently for someone to use the "For every animal you don't eat, I am eating 3" pic*

[SolInvictus]

so i'm supposed to be happy about putting humans instead of animals through that torture? psh, let the animals do it.

[SonicSheep]

At 5/29/06 03:34 PM, shi_huangdi wrote: so i'm supposed to be happy about putting humans instead of animals through that torture? psh, let the animals do it.

as far as im concerned, murderers, and other criminals whov commited serious offences, deserve death, so they may as well help some1 and be used for testing, rather than give them the dignity of a quick death

[AarghCat]

I just don't understand why people love abusing animals.
No, I'm not a vegetarian.

[SonicSheep]

At 5/29/06 03:45 PM, KemCab wrote:

At 5/29/06 03:20 PM, user001b wrote:

But humans come first, not bloody animals.

well actually, why do humans come first, is cos ur a human?
is it cos most humans happen to be smarter than animals (humans are still animals tho basicly)
is it cos were a dominant race?

if u were a rabbit, or a cat, would u like having tubes shoved down ur throat, having god knows what injected into u, animals feel, just like us, they think, mabye not like humans, but they think, they dream, just like u

[SirLebowski]

The monkey loves lipstick.

Animal testing is a little too inaccurate, but I don't putting convicted humans through the torture is anymore justified that doing it to animals. Replace one wrong with another.

[SonicSheep]

At 5/29/06 03:54 PM, SirLebowski wrote: The monkey loves lipstick.

Animal testing is a little too inaccurate, but I don't putting convicted humans through the torture is anymore justified that doing it to animals. Replace one wrong with another.

the animals have done nothing wrong, convicted humans have, they bloody deserve the painful death, that comes from the research

[GunCrave]

At 5/29/06 01:37 PM, tru_calling wrote: For some gruesome pictures go to http://www.viva.org.uk/!!

Those pics make me horny. Thanks for those. Untop of that animals don't have souls so it doesn't matter what we do to them.

[SolInvictus]

thank god for Maddox

[Tri-Nitro-Toluene]

At 5/29/06 03:55 PM, SonicSheep wrote: the animals have done nothing wrong, convicted humans have, they bloody deserve the painful death, that comes from the research

Forcing prisoners just wouldn't work. Not only would it have the humanitarians up in arms, there is always the chance that you will be experimenting on an innocent person as, lets face it, no judicial system is perfect, as well as people who have only committed minor offenses that don't warrant death.

Now I'm in favour of prisoners paying back something to society, and stronger sentencing for criminals but I don't think forcing them to take part in experiments is the way to go. Give it to them as an option for some of the less serious offenders and if they agree give them some kind of benefit as a reward to actually give them some incentive. Something like they get the chance to wach TV if they do,though you'd have to take all the TV's and luxuries. But that's another subject of debate for another day and another thread and hasno place in here.

As for the more serious offenders, if you really wanted to do this you could set it so different prisoners take part in different stages. The earlier the stage of testing, or the more dangerous, the worse the crime has to be, so those who committed lesser offences have a lower chance of dieing. Don't know if that would work or not, but, hey, its an idea.

[tru-calling]

I am healthy thank you.Being veggie has not harmmed me in anyway made my mind stronger!

[Engelsman]

people will do anything for a quick buck, put an add in the paper "tester needed, possible side effects" and people will be lining up to the the work.

[Proteas]

At 5/29/06 04:25 PM, Tri-Nitro-Toluene wrote: Don't know if that would work or not, but, hey, its an idea.

You could just make it available to folks who are given life sentences. They're going to die in prison anyway, so what if testing a new shampoo takes a few years off their life?

[SolInvictus]

At 5/29/06 05:26 PM, Engelsman wrote: people will do anything for a quick buck, put an add in the paper "tester needed, possible side effects" and people will be lining up to the the work.

the problem with this is that the products being tested are in their primary stages. though at some point or other medicines haave to be tested on humans they are first tested on animals so it doesn't kill people and i think most people want to live to be able to enjoy the money they've gained from testing things instead of risking their lives.

[Engelsman]

At 5/29/06 05:44 PM, shi_huangdi wrote:

though at some point or other medicines haave to be tested on humans they are first tested on animals so it doesn't kill people and i think most people want to live to be able to enjoy the money they've gained from testing things instead of risking their lives.

Everyone has their price, pay em enough and they'll take the risk

[Randall81]

At 5/29/06 03:10 PM, Kenzu wrote: animals must be protected by law!

Animals ARE protected by laws. Some laws anyway. Be less general when you make your statements.

[SonicSheep]

i didnt mean if uv done anything ull get tested on, i jut meant really serious offenders like serial killiers, or complete psycotic madmen, or serial pedophiles ( i cant spell tonight) after all theyv done to humanity, they dont deserve human rights,

[Kenzu]

At 5/29/06 03:20 PM, user001b wrote: would you rather test on humans?

You test on humans sooner or later.
Humans react differently than animals.

Some tests probably have to be done on animals to cure diseases like cancer.

But tests on animals for cosmetics and make up should be forbidden.

[SonicSheep]

At 5/29/06 05:54 PM, Kenzu wrote:

At 5/29/06 03:20 PM, user001b wrote: would you rather test on humans?

You test on humans sooner or later.
Humans react differently than animals.

Some tests probably have to be done on animals to cure diseases like cancer.

But tests on animals for cosmetics and make up should be forbidden.

i still disagree with animal testing completely nomatter what its for