Homosexuality

[Kasualty]

Is the right justified to say that homosexuality is wrong? I don't understand why, isn't almost everything humans do, besides primal urges, unnatural? I mean the computer your sitting in front of was created by manipulating nature. It wouldn't be here by nature alone, so is it unnatural? And the chair your sitting on, or the room your in, and so on. And if gay sex is unnatural, because it is not for procreation then what about autosexuality and anal/oral in heterosexual relationships?

[peedee]

Homosexuals are fags.

[YHWH]

At 5/29/06 12:23 AM, peedee wrote: Homosexuals are fags.

Thats right.

Although I feel that homosexuality is wong, I feel no need to impose my beliefs on others, so I guess I support gay marriage.

[CrazyDaisy]

Well, I don't like the idea of homosexuality. It's against the Bible, and, in my opinon, is just an excuse to have sex with someone, but if that makes your day, I got no problem with it. But Gay Marriages is another thing, I wouldn't want to grow up with two fathers...0_o

[CyanClock]

At 5/29/06 12:26 AM, Peternormous wrote:

At 5/29/06 12:23 AM, peedee wrote: Homosexuals are fags.

Thats right.

Although I feel that homosexuality is wong, I feel no need to impose my beliefs on others, so I guess I support gay marriage.

Amen!

[altanese-mistress]

At 5/29/06 01:10 AM, chocolate_penguin wrote: Ok, nothing is wrong with being a homo, right?

No...

Then what exactly makes something "immoral"? If I murder you tomorrow, what exactly is wrong with that? Oh, it's not a good thing, it's not moral, it shouldn't be allowed, it's pointless, but hey, I STILL can't find a reaosn why it is immoral.

Because you're killing someone, thats why. Whats this have to do homosexuality?

I should kill you then. Gays should be allowed to get married then.

Wheres the connection?

[Me-Patch]

At 5/29/06 01:10 AM, chocolate_penguin wrote: Then what exactly makes something "immoral"? If I murder you tomorrow, what exactly is wrong with that? Oh, it's not a good thing, it's not moral, it shouldn't be allowed, it's pointless, but hey, I STILL can't find a reaosn why it is immoral.

Can I clear something up for the resident klan members here. Gay sex is just like regular sex only with two guys. Murder is the violant slaying of ones fellow man. Homosexuality is perfectly fine and murder is moraly reprehensible.

[poxpower]

You don't understand: its about SEX, the most important thing EVER.

If we can't keep SEX, the MOST IMPORTANT ACHIEVEMENT OF MAKIND and also WHAT SEPARATES US FROM THE BEASTS clean, then how can we still be human?

The very thought of two strangers doing something I wouldn't do 1000 miles away from me is just sickening and makes me feel less and less civilized while I watch baseball, the other epitome of mankind.
For what are humans without the ability to fuck and hit things with a bat?

Animals.

Thank you, thank you.

[NickScott]

At 5/29/06 12:26 AM, Peternormous wrote:

At 5/29/06 12:23 AM, peedee wrote: Homosexuals are fags.

Thats right.

Although I feel that homosexuality is wong, I feel no need to impose my beliefs on others, so I guess I support gay marriage.

I'm with you. I dont know why a guy would want a dick up his ass but its them not me >:D

[DaRKNeZz1]

At 5/29/06 12:23 AM, peedee wrote: Homosexuals are fags.

Get your finger out of your nose then try saying that again.

[fli]

At 5/29/06 02:58 AM, -poxpower- wrote: The very thought of two strangers doing something I wouldn't do 1000 miles away from me is just sickening and makes me feel less and less civilized while I watch baseball, the other epitome of mankind.

Jayzuz--
Get over yourself poxy...
It's not like they're thinking about you when they're doing.
(But after this post... maybe... who knows--)

Thank you, thank you.

No, thank you... sexy--

[Alphabit]

At 5/29/06 03:58 AM, -Shorty- wrote: I'm with you. I dont know why a guy would want a dick up his ass but its them not me >:D

I wonder the same things about women... no wonder we can't understand them!

[sdhonda]

Homosexuals are gay.

What they are? They always seem to be so happy.....

[x-Toadenalin-x]

At 5/29/06 01:10 AM, chocolate_penguin wrote: Then what exactly makes something "immoral"?

You could try the Catagorical Imperative, or Act/Rule Utilitarianism.

I should kill you then. Gays should be allowed to get married then.

Yeah... not quite sure you thought that one through

[TheDoctor]

At 5/29/06 02:58 AM, -poxpower- wrote: The very thought of two strangers doing something I wouldn't do 1000 miles away from me is just sickening and makes me feel less and less civilized while I watch baseball, the other epitome of mankind.

I disagree. If they are not doing it IN MY VERY OWN HOUSE, then the aforementioned act simply does not exist. This sort of thing ceases to become a problem when I don't have to bleach my bedlinen every night to remove the taint of unnature from it - something with which I shall henceforth associate directly with homosexuality.

I agree about the bats though, incidentally these are also the antithesis of gays, as they can be used to unmake them.

[Occluded]

At 5/29/06 01:10 AM, chocolate_penguin wrote: Ok, nothing is wrong with being a homo, right?

Then what exactly makes something "immoral"? If I murder you tomorrow, what exactly is wrong with that? Oh, it's not a good thing, it's not moral, it shouldn't be allowed, it's pointless, but hey, I STILL can't find a reaosn why it is immoral.

I should kill you then. Gays should be allowed to get married then.

Wow, what do you even believe if you can't find the immorality in killing someone?

I find that the golden rule is a great jumping off point as the basis for all morality. Treat others how you wish to be treated.

Also the inherint right of any man to control his own life. Assuming it doesn't infringe on those same rights being held by other people.

Gay sex between two consenting adults is ethically fine.

Murder (assuming the guy doesn't ask you to kill him) is in conflict with the victims right to control his own life.

There, I've said why it is ethically 'ok' to be gay. Now, you have an obligation to clarify why you believe it to be wrong.

Quick note on the Bible. It has been translated from aramaic to (some parts) greek to latin to english. And in between all those translations are thousands of years of revision, loss, and damage. Take it with a grain of reality. I have a friend in seminary who once told me that the word in ancient aramaic for homosexual is the word for any kind of sexual deviance. I choose to think God is more against pedophilia than homosexuality.

Before anyone can go there 'man lying down with another man' is poetics. It's round about. Because if accuracy is what is important then that statement should read 'a person bringing to sexual climax another person of the same sex' It's just not as pretty.

[pbhead]

in order to say what is moral, and what is inmoral, one must deside what morals are, what is right and what is wrong. But where does right and wrong come from? are there shades of grey? what makes something wrong in the first place?

it is inpossible to argue on morals if morals are not defined first.

most morals come from a holy book, or religion, and morals between religions are different(eg. no heavenly punishment for killing a non-muslem if you are a muslem).

for athiests, morals come in part from the the religion they were part of before (or their parents or friends)(that part is rapidly decreasying in influnce) the other part from evolution, and "passing thy genes down to the next generation"

infact, if passing genes YOUR genes down to the next generation was the ony purpose in life, (as many evolutionests will argue) then would not rape and destruction of "lesser" humans(survial of the fittest) be good and moral?

so, i ask you, what is moral and what is immoral?

[SAVIOR414]

At 5/29/06 12:14 PM, pbhead wrote: in order to say what is moral, and what is inmoral, one must deside what morals are, what is right and what is wrong. But where does right and wrong come from? are there shades of grey? what makes something wrong in the first place?

that's a good point, it wut u think right and wrong r, not wut others think it is

:: most morals come from a holy book, or religion, and morals between religions are different

for athiests, morals come in part from the the religion they were part of before (or their parents or friends) the other part from evolution
infact, if passing genes YOUR genes down to the next generation was the ony purpose in life, (as many evolutionests will argue) then would not rape and destruction of "lesser" humans(survial of the fittest) be good and moral?
so, i ask you, what is moral and what is immoral?

now that question is tough, but like i said, it's all how u view it. mayb the question should b, wut is moral and immoral to u. then u can make the decision on how u view homosexuality. i was raised by the bible, but i'm okay with people who prefer people of the same sex. u dont need to procreate to prove ur love.

[Penal-Disturbance]

Homosexuality being wrong makes absolutely no sense. It's just morons writing their prejudice off as "belief" and acting as if everyone else is brianwashed if they don't support their illogic.

If something is a prejudice, it's wrong. If something is a religious belief, you can't touch it; it's protected moreso than homosexuality is.

It's easy to explain, objectively, why murder is wrong. It causes someone to loose their life, enforces your will on theirs. It will hurt those around that person, inflict what are undeniably negative states on them; not to mention one of the ultimate negative states, death, on someone. It causes hurt, it disconveniences people to an extreme degree, therefore it is wrong as it only causes pain, and without a greater good for it, it cannot be justified.

There are different motives, and different effects, like maybe you had to kill someone or they'd kill 20 people. But all those are just modifiers of the basic logic. Because it's complex people don't bother and just write it all off as relative(The amount of "But it IS relative" posts I'll get for this provided absolutely no logical or factual backing whatsoever, merely pointing out how different people have different views on what's right or wrong, rather than the base concepts being subjective).

Of course, there's also taking the path least vicious. If you kill someone so they don't kill 20 people, that still might be wrong if there is another way that inflicts no negative states whatsoever.

Under any moral system, that should be wrong. Moral Relativity is BS for the "30 second opinion" generation.

[LordDarlington]

At 5/29/06 01:10 AM, chocolate_penguin wrote: Ok, nothing is wrong with being a homo, right?

Then what exactly makes something "immoral"? If I murder you tomorrow, what exactly is wrong with that? Oh, it's not a good thing, it's not moral, it shouldn't be allowed, it's pointless, but hey, I STILL can't find a reaosn why it is immoral.

I should kill you then. Gays should be allowed to get married then.

You're an idiot.

Morality's basis is individual freedom. No action is immoral until your freedom to do whatever the fuck you want starts to infringe on someone else's. See, when you kill me, that kind of takes away my RIGHT TO LIVE. Having gay sex, two gays getting married.... how does that harm you? What right of yours does that infringe upon?

None? Oh, that's right. Shut the hell up. I'm sick of this bullshit about "well if homosexuality isn't immoral than neither is murder!" Believer it or not you crazy lot of bible-thumping zealots, morality DID exist before your shitty little book came along. Go crawl back into your hive and keep laying your eggs if you're not going to evolve with the rest of us.

Do I have to cover this in every thread? I'm becoming horribly irritated. Maybe I'll put this in my signature. *rolls eyes*

[LordDarlington]

Penal, I think the more effective way to deal with idiots is to speak in their language. Use lots of "fuck"s and speak in simple terms.

These guys don't know what "relative" means except that their mum slept with one to conceive them.

[MegalomaniacVirus]

Ethical? You can't say that.

Ethical means moral which differs from every person. It's not an absolute.

[ClickToPlay]

The term 'Gay" nowadays mean's stupid, so gay's are therefore 'gay', why suck a dick when you can have a perfect virgin pussy?

Gay's are so narrow-minded, don't blame them, blame there lesbian mothers..

[duckiesrock]

i really think that marrage for gay people should happen theres nothing wrong with it. No one should be pregidous to gay people. Down with Republicains

[duckiesrock]

Well you are a stupid undemicratic mean cruel spirited dweeb

[duckiesrock]

good opinon

[Penal-Disturbance]

At 5/29/06 02:15 PM, MegalomaniacVirus wrote: Ethical? You can't say that.

Ethical means moral which differs from every person. It's not an absolute.

Stop presuming morals are relative. People's personal morals, their moral codes are relative. However, the core of right and wrong are not, they're based on phislophical idealogies which are more or less constant and founded in logic.

Nobody ever has a good argument for relativity except to argue for the fact that people have different views, which is a given. It's just an annoying circular argument that usually comes down to "because". If any other view was as pathetcially supported as relativitism in morality, it would be laughed at. But for some reason it's acceptable.

[Altarus]

Homosexuality is a mental disease because the homosexual life style does not lead to a fulfilling life. For instance, you cannot have kids.

[SolInvictus]

so is having children necessary to live a fulfilling life?

[Altarus]

At 5/29/06 03:46 PM, shi_huangdi wrote: so is having children necessary to live a fulfilling life?

For most people, yes.