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At 5/28/06 07:45 AM, Flashthinker wrote: The only reason why it doesn't work is corruption! Otherwise assuming every leader was fair, it would work and it would OWN!

so in other words it would work if corruption is the reason its not gonna work i got news for you corruption is never gonna stop

This thread is becoming pointless. We've determined that Communism will not work due to our nature as humans. Sorry, but human nature doesn't change.

So while we all babble and debate about which form of government is best, we all know that Communism simply will not work with the current state of our species. So if you want to make Communism work, you're going to have to make some radical changes to the structure of the human nature. Do we want to do that?

i AGREE

At 5/28/06 02:17 PM, user001b wrote: i AGREE

Amen. :D

At 5/28/06 01:33 PM, Kenzu wrote: Communism will definetly work if no one will have to work, which will be achieved at a time when we will have masses of robots, who will be our slaves and work for us!

Communism supports slavery.

Robot slavery. If everyone's equal, shouldn't sentient robots be equal? Huh, commie? What's that? FACIST!

At 5/26/06 06:49 PM, Trajan wrote: Communism does work.

Only in a community though.

Yep. Good example of communism working are the Amish.

In societies and cities of millions of people, no, it doesn't. Communism relies too much on human nature, which is flawed. Captialism relies on human greed, which is selfish, but it makes people strive for perfection and work.

At 5/28/06 01:33 PM, Kenzu wrote: Communism will definetly work if no one will have to work, which will be achieved at a time when we will have masses of robots, who will be our slaves and work for us!

Your theories just stupider and stupider huh?

At 5/28/06 05:50 PM, Sonicgamer00 wrote:

At 5/28/06 01:33 PM, Kenzu wrote: Communism will definetly work if no one will have to work, which will be achieved at a time when we will have masses of robots, who will be our slaves and work for us!

Your theories just stupider and stupider huh?

If there are enough resources and FOPs to be able to supply all people with enough goods and services, while none of them will work then you will have something close to communism. You wont need to be greedy anymore.

And anyway, greedy people don't have many friends. And those who are their friends are probably no true friends at all, but only greedy people awaitin a gain from being your friend.

At 5/28/06 02:55 PM, FAB0L0US wrote:

At 5/28/06 01:33 PM, Kenzu wrote: Communism will definetly work if no one will have to work, which will be achieved at a time when we will have masses of robots, who will be our slaves and work for us!

Communism supports slavery.

OK, OK. It isn't slavery, because only a human can be a slave.
A robot is a tool without any rights. It is like a hammer.
Do you want to give a hammer as many rights as yourself?

Anyway a robot wants to help you, since this is his programm, so you could argue that he helps you out of a free will. You don't need to force him. Just command him and he will do everything for you. A robot has no needs. It has only 3 wants.

1st Never to harm a human
2nd Do what a human commands, unless it goes against the 1st rule
3rd Survive, unless it goes against the 1st or 2nd rule.

I agree, because it has to be perfect for it to work and perfect=impossible.

Well, consider this:
Communism should be referred to as a economic system rather than a government. Not all capitalist countries are democracies. In the same way, a communist state could allow for deomcracy or fascism. Honestly, I belive that if Trotsky gained power, communism would have succeded in the USSR. The Cold War could have been prevented. I agree with some of you, in that the system isn't bad, the people are.

At 5/28/06 11:11 PM, TheVag wrote: Well, consider this:
Communism should be referred to as a economic system rather than a government. Not all capitalist countries are democracies. In the same way, a communist state could allow for deomcracy or fascism. Honestly, I belive that if Trotsky gained power, communism would have succeded in the USSR. The Cold War could have been prevented. I agree with some of you, in that the system isn't bad, the people are.

People are not going to change. You can have all the fancy government and economic systems you wish, but none will actually address the problem.

As for a democratic state of communism, I can see how it would be feasible. But if one man (e.g. Trotsky) successfully establishes such a system, what's to guarantee his successor to follow the same path? Communism is a very easy system to exploit. Look at what Mao and Stalin did.

Besides being for hippie pussies, thats one of the worst things about communism: its so corruptable. While it may (in theory) be more efficient than capitalism, capitalism is much less (but still very) corruptable. Which is why every country that doesnt blow is capitalist.

At 5/29/06 12:08 AM, Lord_Beugiath wrote:

At 5/28/06 11:11 PM, TheVag wrote: Well, consider this:

People are not going to change. You can have all the fancy government and economic systems you wish, but none will actually address the problem.

Im not sure that i am reading this correctly, but what is the problem?

I don't think there is one form of government that can truly carry out all aspects of it's purpose when you are talking about attempting to control a large number of people or a large period of time. In theory, communism would work. In reality, if fails terribly. And it's not alone.

At 5/29/06 01:55 AM, SirLebowski wrote: I don't think there is one form of government that can truly carry out all aspects of it's purpose when you are talking about attempting to control a large number of people or a large period of time. In theory, communism would work. In reality, if fails terribly. And it's not alone.

bla bla bla.
Another person preaching about things that have never been tried.
How can someone crap out such trash all the time.
I heard this phrase over a million times.

Remember:
Telling a lie a tousand times will not make it become truth.

well it has been attempted for like the first two weeks in russia it was there then it got corrupted then it was no longer communist same with china same with the vietnam and wasnt north korea for a little while? then it got corrupted it getting corrupted and not working is communism starting then failing...

At 5/29/06 07:06 PM, user001b wrote: well it has been attempted for like the first two weeks in russia it was there then it got corrupted then it was no longer communist same with china same with the vietnam and wasnt north korea for a little while? then it got corrupted it getting corrupted and not working is communism starting then failing...

Communism has nowhere been attempted.

At 5/29/06 01:13 AM, chocolate_penguin wrote:

At 5/28/06 08:14 AM, ParodyMyAss wrote:

At 5/27/06 02:15 PM, -Buddhist- wrote:

EVERY single last godamn government has a flaw in it. The ONLY way a country can be perfect is if there is a hard, hard, hard, right wing facist dictator that is good minded, knows what he is doing, and has complete control.

And what's bad about flaws?
A government can function well even if it has flaws

I hate the way people use the word facist though, when people think of facist they think of WWII, the Holocaust, and Hitler. Hitler was a horrible person, but the type of government he wanted wasn't a bad idea, it was just too easy for a single person to become corrupt and seize total power.

everyhting that involves racism is bad!
and nationalism isn't much better.
over 1.000.000 Germans have been killed by Hitler.
Because they were homeless, political opposition, pacifists, or homosexuals.

communism is a social theroy that went wrong it didnt wok tahts all lets move on to somthing new learn from our mistakes and better them

At 5/26/06 06:28 PM, FightingForFreedom wrote: I would say that Stalin killed 20 million people as well (Source) but apparently Stalin wasn't a communist. I would go on about the horrors of the Soviet Union, Red China, Cuba, Vietnam, Korea, and Eastern Europe but sadly not of those are communist. Strange.

I wish people would stop using Cuba as an example of a failed country. Here are some facts about Cuba -

Infant Mortality Rate is lower in Cuba than the USA
http://www.pww.org/a..cle/view/4801/1/203/

Education in Cuba is better than the USA

Healthcare in Cuba is, guess what, better than in the USA

There's some info about it here, although its not where I originally got these facts

So stop using Cuba as an example of a failed communist country, unless you're also prepared to call the USA a failed country.
Now, I'm not saying Communism the single best form of governance that has ever been thoguht up. Its just not as bad as its made to sound. But I'm here more to stick up for the unfairly negative view everyone has of Cuba for some reason.

Communism doesn't work on a large scale; however, small towns, or what have you that, that work under a communist mentality work really well.

Capitalism's ideal is no where near a utopian society. The only reason it is implemented is because of it's bourgeiose veneer.

Communism only doesn't work if you have lazy idiots benefiting off of the equal wages and by the corrupt individuals controlling the government.

However, Capitalism is even more corrupt.

Yea i agree looks great on paper but... not in practice.

At 6/6/06 03:19 PM, Masakari_Commander wrote: I wish people would stop using Cuba as an example of a failed country. Here are some facts about Cuba

Aww, you do? Lets check up on your facts:

Infant Mortality Rate is lower in Cuba than the USA
http://www.pww.org/a..cle/view/4801/1/203/

I went to the "People's World Weekly" site that you gave me and read the article. I didn't think it was all too credible so I went to the CIA World Factbook. Yes you are correct in that Cuba has less infant mortalities, but only by 0.021% (Cuba)(USA). Not really too big of a deal.

But the United States has:

A higher life expectancy.
A higher literacy rate.
A higher per capita income.
A higher per capita GDP.
A lower death rate.
A higher birth rate.

But yea, I guess Cuba is undeniably better because .021% more babies live past 5.

Education in Cuba is better than the USA

Source?

Healthcare in Cuba is, guess what, better than in the USA

Source?

So stop using Cuba as an example of a failed communist country, unless you're also prepared to call the USA a failed country.
Now, I'm not saying Communism the single best form of governance that has ever been thoguht up. Its just not as bad as its made to sound. But I'm here more to stick up for the unfairly negative view everyone has of Cuba for some reason.

Yea something about totalitarian dictatorships, third world poverty, and citizens attempting to escape by sailing on homemade rafts made us uneasy about Cuba.