I dont't hate the Blam Club...

[Shrapnel]

... just your topic.

It has outlived it's usefulness.

[MI4-REAL-2001]

I *will* say those words pretty much ring true.

[DingleberryClock]

At 2/6/03 02:41 AM, MI4_REAL_2001 wrote: I *will* say those words pretty much ring true.

'Pretty much' is an understatement.

[mattymetro]

understatement is an overstatement...

[Insomnia]

I don't hate the blam club. I'm just not in love with it. Neither is Teh Carl. There is a lack of understandment between the blam club and us.

Everyone is a high level except for Insomnia =]

[format]

At 2/6/03 02:52 AM, mattymetro wrote: understatement is an overstatement...

and that is just confusing.

[Insomnia]

At 2/6/03 02:55 AM, Mystified_JmBd wrote: Everyone is a high level except for Insomnia =]

That's alright. I may not have EXP points, but I've been around longer than most of you.

HUZZAH!

[House-Of-Leaves]

I just don't understand why it's important if it stays or goes.

I have a feeling -someone- just wanted to raise a little controversy.

[Joe]

At 2/6/03 02:57 AM, JmBd wrote:

At 2/6/03 02:55 AM, Mystified_JmBd wrote: Everyone is a high level except for Insomnia =]

Oops wrong account =]

ahhh, now you ruined it...

[DaFreak]

At 2/6/03 03:07 AM, House_Of_Leaves wrote: I have a feeling -someone- just wanted to raise a little controversy.

True, it doesn't matter THAT much.

[aviewaskewed]

At 2/6/03 02:03 AM, Shrapnel wrote: ... just your topic.

It has outlived it's usefulness.

You just noticed? I figured by now everyone who's going to join will, and everybody knows about the website...they're BBS thread is just huge now, and the fact that I haven't seen it on the front page of late just proves it's useless...of course, I must be fair and state the fact that I think the BC itself is a dated concept, the voting system has speeded up blamming and protecting, the crap goes faster and the good stays faster, with few exceptions. So I think the BC should settle in as more a social organization now, and not a content police. Just my opinion though, I have no personal problems with anybody in the BC.

[olskoo]

if there is really 1080+ members like MI's sig says then there shouldn't be any problem maintaining a very active site. the clock crew site is packed consistently

[House-Of-Leaves]

There really IS that many members of the Blam Club, which is why the thread here is so popular. Not nearly as many have joined the BC forums themselves, since some people would just rather keep their forum count to a minimum.

I'd think people would be thanking us for keeping our conversations in one thread, rather than spamming the entire board with Blam Club related threads. There's so many members, that it would surely happen.

So while it may not be as functional for the general public, the novelty has worn off, all of that...those of us who are in the Blam Club enjoy having a place to congregate on NG without starting a barrage of new topics.

If that isn't logic, I don't know what is. So basically, you've got the one big thread...or a bunch of tiny little threads lying around here or there. Which would y'all prefer?

My guess is, most of the people who have a problem with the BC have had their flash deleted from NG, and blame us. While over 1000 members is a big club...we're only a fraction of Newgrounds. But, because we have the name BLAM Club, we're automatically the culprits. No skin off my back at all...I really don't mind having fingers pointed at me. :) But be honest: All of you who think the BC Thread has gotten out of hand, do you SEE how many posts are there?

Now think about all those posts...spread all over the board.

Now thank us for keeping ourselves organized. ;)

[aviewaskewed]

At 2/6/03 11:45 AM, House_Of_Leaves wrote: There really IS that many members of the Blam Club, which is why the thread here is so popular. Not nearly as many have joined the BC forums themselves, since some people would just rather keep their forum count to a minimum.

Okay, but you DO have a forum you DO have a site, so I think that people using it should be encouraged a little more.

I'd think people would be thanking us for keeping our conversations in one thread, rather than spamming the entire board with Blam Club related threads. There's so many members, that it would surely happen.

I do appreciate that, but like olskool said, the clocks are just as big, if not bigger than you guys, they have no problem running a healthy and active site, they don't need any sort of thread on NG at all, and essentially your conversations there are the types of things you could have going on your own site. The spam topics were closed because of bandwidth issues, if the BC is a serious force to help NG, they should encourage their members to be much more active on their own site, so the BC topic could be closed (or you could just move it to the main BC site, cause I know someone will argue "but that's our history" as an excuse to not see it locked).

So while it may not be as functional for the general public, the novelty has worn off, all of that...those of us who are in the Blam Club enjoy having a place to congregate on NG without starting a barrage of new topics.

The spam and barrage of new topics would get locked. Period, you guys have a forum, USE it, what I'm suggested is Enlightened Self-Interest on the part of the BC. That is, you guys do what is best for yourselves (by having your forums become more active) and what's best for NG (freeing up some bandwidth by taking out your huge topic)

If that isn't logic, I don't know what is. So basically, you've got the one big thread...or a bunch of tiny little threads lying around here or there. Which would y'all prefer?

Mods would lock them, so this is not a relevant argument anymore.

My guess is, most of the people who have a problem with the BC have had their flash deleted from NG, and blame us. While over 1000 members is a big club...we're only a fraction of Newgrounds. But, because we have the name BLAM Club, we're automatically the culprits. No skin off my back at all...I really don't mind having fingers pointed at me. :) But be honest: All of you who think the BC Thread has gotten out of hand, do you SEE how many posts are there?

I get the feeling this referrenced to what I said about being dated...okay, I have NO movies on NG, I never have, my point is the BC has become dated in my view, we don't need a self-appointed content police, the voting system is fine, I'm not blamming you guys for every movie that dies on NG, but I see the subjectiveness of the target lists as doing more harm than good.

Now think about all those posts...spread all over the board.

Now thank us for keeping ourselves organized. ;)

Mods would lock...end of discussion, wanna show your organized? Use your own site for discussions, I checked out the BC topic today, it's just a social topic, there are no issues being discussed, it is only slightly above spam, you guys can go into a chat on your own site, or use forums on your own site to accomplish the same thing. That's the point the rest of us are trying to make.

[b3nnic3]

im happy for you....

[aviewaskewed]

At 2/6/03 02:12 PM, b3nnic3 wrote: im happy for you....

who are you talking too?

[House-Of-Leaves]

I actually appreciate you being civil with me, aviewaskewed. :)

I understand exactly where you're coming from...and like I've pointed out: I don't use these forums for Blam Club related stuff. I usually post in the political forum, to be honest, and that's not very often. I DO utilize the Blam Club site, and daily.

I'm not the issue. Feel free to try to talk the 2/3 of the blam club that DON'T utilize the BC forums into doing so. If you succeed? Fantastic. If you don't?

Why take away the area they choose to post in?

While your argument about the mods locking all the topics...yeah, that's very true. But I don't think you're seeing the bigger picture. It would make a lot of people VERY angry. I know I'd be angry, just because of the principle.

An example: Not too long ago, there was a 27 page long topic of some girl introducing herself, and being rather air-headish. People flocked to that forum, and I'm not kidding...the last...oh...10 pages? Was people bumping it back to the top, saying 'THIS POST WILL NEVER DIE!'

That, I think, is a completely useless topic. Yet it survived for as long as it did.

Neither you, nor anyone else, can dictate where all the Blam Club members post, and in what forum. Simple as that. You can make suggestions, ask nicely, bribe, cajole, yell, scream, whatever. But you cannot ultimately force anyone to post where they don't want to. If the 2/3 of the club that is NOT registered at the BC forums feel more comfortable posting here at Newgrounds? So be it. It's personal preference.

I agree that our members should use our site more. It would make things a lot easier. But as you can tell...these things are never easy. And by locking a topic that's still useful and keeps things tidy, I'm honestly afraid it's going to cause a LOT of anger.

As for me, all that would solve that is...I simply wouldn't come here anymore. I don't need to. But are you prepared to deal with 600 angry Newgrounders?

I'm done explaining this, I suppose. I don't think the reasons behind locking the topic are legitimate. I honestly think it's just anger toward the other topics being locked, and the BC one surviving. Whatever happens, I hope for the best.

(And know that when I use 'you', it's not singling anyone out. It's all inclusive, just used for ease of explanation.)

[Lycanthropy]

At 2/6/03 02:52 AM, mattymetro wrote: understatement is an overstatement...

I make no statement.

[olskoo]

my only point is that almost every clock on NG is signed up and uses the clock crew forums, we probably get 100 new signups on there a week

if the blamclub has 1080+ members and can only get 200 or so to sign up on the site, those others shouldn't really be considered members. They are not supporting the group.

[House-Of-Leaves]

At 2/6/03 03:03 PM, olskoo wrote: my only point is that almost every clock on NG is signed up and uses the clock crew forums, we probably get 100 new signups on there a week

if the blamclub has 1080+ members and can only get 200 or so to sign up on the site, those others shouldn't really be considered members. They are not supporting the group.

Understood. But we don't run our group the way the clocks run theirs. I think that's personal preference, don't you?

If we, the Blam Club, give our members the freedom to post where they want, then that's our perogative. They ARE active. In the thread in the Newgrounds BBS. We were a Newgrounds group first, then a separate entity second. Newgrounds is our 'home', you could say.

Now, I have another concern. I've heard (either here or the other thread discussing this very thing) that any new Blam Club topics would be locked. That strikes me as odd, considering when I counted about 20 minutes ago, there were over 5 anime related threads in the first page of the BBS topics.

If the BC topic IS deleted...don't we, as members of Newgrounds, have a right to post in the Newgrounds BBS?

[BobbyJenkins]

At 2/6/03 03:07 PM, House_Of_Leaves wrote:

Holy shit, you write long posts. Wish I could write for that long...and I almost spelt write wrong in this sentence.

[Qjedi]

At 2/6/03 03:03 PM, olskoo wrote: my only point is that almost every clock on NG is signed up and uses the clock crew forums, we probably get 100 new signups on there a week

if the blamclub has 1080+ members and can only get 200 or so to sign up on the site, those others shouldn't really be considered members. They are not supporting the group.

Hey, Olskoo, glad to be able to clarify this with someone who will pay attention.
One of the reasons that clockcrew has and keeps the people coming to their forums is that CC is about making and submitting flash. BC is about reviewing and voting on it.
CC also gives a lot of rewards to their members for doing things like clicking the fan net icon and a bunch of other crap as I understand it. BC has no interest in that.
CC is a group of fairly cool people who enjoy the games and activities on the CC websites far more than those of us on the BC website do. We play some forum games, we have some fun, but we try to stay focussed on Blamming, Protecting and Reviewing.
We like and respect much of the work the clocks have done, and we even have several members in common. I have seen you post in the BC forums before and you have always been well-spoken and clear. This is not the issue here though.
The BLAMming Club topic is serving a vital need. In the BC we make very little flash. We feel that shitty artists shouldn't submit, and most of us know better than to insult NG users by submittting Crap.swf's. Flash is the CC's greatest recruiting tool and one we don't use. The forums are our greatest recruiting tool, but we do not constantly spam a ton of forums bragging about our club or recruiting constantly, we just use the one and answer questions about how to join every few pages.
I am unsure how to end this as I think I have already come close to sounding patronizing, which is not my intent at all, but I think I will see how this is recieved before saying anything else for a bit.

[ZombieLennon]

At 2/6/03 02:03 AM, Shrapnel wrote: ... just your topic.

It has outlived it's usefulness.

I agree. I think it's about time to retire it :)

[olskoo]

I just think (even though I like ramagi an awful lot) that the club is managed badly.

Make signing up on the Blam Club Forums a requirement of membership, to show your committment.

Then you truly can claim an accurate member count as well

[Mr-Chuckles]

At 2/6/03 02:03 AM, Shrapnel wrote: ... just your topic.

It has outlived it's usefulness.

THA'S RIGHT! NEWGROUNDS CAN HANDLE CRAPPY MOVIES BY THEMSELVES,AND THEIR TOPIC HAS NO POINT

[ZombieLennon]

What is the point of having both a blam club site (dedicated entirely to the art of blamming) and a gigantic thread on the newgrounds forum? It'd be interesting to see if maybe the thread could be moved to the BC site because afterall, the thread's purpose was to pinpoint movies that are crappy, and blam them. Right now, it's sorta just turned into a giant "Hi, how was your day" thread. Utilizing the BC site, you can do already what the point of the thread was.

[aviewaskewed]

At 2/6/03 03:07 PM, House_Of_Leaves wrote:

Understood. But we don't run our group the way the clocks run theirs. I think that's personal preference, don't you?

Firstly, thank you for treating ME with courtesy and respect, it's very rare to see that in such debates. Now on to the issues. With something like this my argument is one of Enlightened Self-Interest as I've said. I think it is to the benefit of the BC and NG that the BC ask it's members to make more use of thier site and threads. I understand you can't make people, but it should be done. The reason large topics were locked is to make NG AS A SITE much faster for EVERY USER. So when you look at the 110,000 (I think that's what we have, right?) users total, should a small faction like the BC really do something which might slow down they're experience when there is an alternative?

If we, the Blam Club, give our members the freedom to post where they want, then that's our perogative. They ARE active. In the thread in the Newgrounds BBS. We were a Newgrounds group first, then a separate entity second. Newgrounds is our 'home', you could say.

Once again, I take issue with the statement that it is your peragative to let your users do as they like, to be quite frank: you do not run NG, you do not own NG, you are merely a club which has sprung up from NG. Yes, I know NG is your home, you do not exist without NG (if you of course insist on basing the club around blamming crap submissions), but I also urge you to show respect to the site that gave birth to you, and at least try to get your sociallizing more to your site.

Now, I have another concern. I've heard (either here or the other thread discussing this very thing) that any new Blam Club topics would be locked. That strikes me as odd, considering when I counted about 20 minutes ago, there were over 5 anime related threads in the first page of the BBS topics.

Anime is a broader topic, BC topics would read like "Join the BC!" and they are outlaw topics (as many members post in them stating as such) and they serve no purpose, the main topic is sufficient as are the propaganda movies, no one wants to see a club massively advertising all over the BBS. Anime is a genre of entertainment, the BC is an NG club, I do not see a comparison between the two.

If the BC topic IS deleted...don't we, as members of Newgrounds, have a right to post in the Newgrounds BBS?

Sure, but you guys can post to other things aside from that...you yourself say you make posts in the political forum, you don't need to conduct general club socializing on here, especially when you have your own site, mods were installed to try and help releave some of the stress the BBS creates for the rest of the site...as the voting on and blamming of movies does as well. So again, my position is that the BC (as has been stated) is a small fraction of this site, and since we can all basicly agree NG has formed a sort of community, we all have a certain responsibillity to keep it running smoothly. I also use 'you' as an all encompassing term as well.

[House-Of-Leaves]

At 2/6/03 03:47 PM, olskoo wrote: I just think (even though I like ramagi an awful lot) that the club is managed badly.

Make signing up on the Blam Club Forums a requirement of membership, to show your committment.

Then you truly can claim an accurate member count as well

The problem is, however, that it isn't your choice to make that a requirement of membership. In fact, it isn't mine either. Or Qjedi's. We're not decision makers. We're just concerned members that want our fellow members to feel welcome on Newgrounds, rather than unwanted.

I'm unclear why more people don't understand the concept of one big topic. We dont clutter the board with multiple posts...we don't spam the board with repetitive topics. We keep to ourselves, when it comes to Blam Club matters.

Qjedi is right. We get a LOT of response in our topic for new memberships. Who are we to tell them where they can and can't post? If they feel more comfortable on their home turf of Newgrounds, I can't help but think that we're being a rather open-minded club by saying, 'Hey. As long as we know you're active.'

Whether or not the club is managed badly is your opinion. I happen to think we're rather successful. We're over a year old and growing. We have a lot of voting power behind us, and we get along to boot. Why make things more difficult and more political by requiring our members to do anything but what the title of the club indicates?

I truly understand what you mean. :) Don't get me wrong...I'm not totally glossing over your point. But my counter-point is simply: it isn't your decision to make, whether or not we require forum registration.

That's about it. It seems that a lot of non-members are trying to tell us how we should be run, and that's not really acceptable. I'm sure the people who run the club would be open for suggestions, but manipulating us into following rules YOU set is going a little far.

[Qjedi]

At 2/6/03 03:47 PM, olskoo wrote: I just think (even though I like ramagi an awful lot) that the club is managed badly.

Make signing up on the Blam Club Forums a requirement of membership, to show your committment.

Then you truly can claim an accurate member count as well

Man... feel free to use some words sometime. The don't take up that much space on the computer. You just utterly ignored everything that was just said and blew it off. The whole point of BC isn't managing things. It's BLAMming crap off of NG. The club part is actully secondary to us.
BTW, Ramagi is just a mod, and very well thought of.