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HighlyIllogical

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Yes, it's an infamous saying. It's not true, but to the point that a businessperson should run the government, it may actually be best. They'd maximize recipts (taxes) and minimize costs.

For example:

The defense budget is over $400 billion. We don't have enemies that can match us in a Cold War doomsday Russia invades Germany scenario that we're set up for. A businessman or woman would say: Let's prepare for what we're going to be fighting and what we're fighting-multiple counterinsurgency conflicts.


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Capital idea, my friend! Businesses are able to effeciently gain maximum profit and minimum cost!

We've privatized schools.
We've privatized the military
We're most likely going to privatize social security.

Why not privatize the government?


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Sure, let's break the legislative branch into two different branches, a representative branch and a business branch. The representative branch decides what to do, and the business branch decides how to do it. Together, the two make the new legislative branch. Sounds good to me.


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Ok, so now all we have to do is switch our government process to the corporate process.

First we have to quadrouple the president's salary. Then we'll lay off all members of Congress and outsource the positions over to a couple of Indian guys with Bluetooth Headsets. Next we replace all the Supreme Court Justices with 12 year old Malaysian girls who we shall pay 3 cents an hour. Then we can buy the Republican and Democratic party to merge them into our company - to make it more effecient. Finally, we change the Bush Administrations' cabinet into an Executive Board and pay each Secretary 7 figures.


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At 5/23/06 11:35 PM, SoldAsFreedom wrote: Ok, so now all we have to do is switch our government process to the corporate process. etc.

fantastic, capital idea. 3 cents is a little high for the Malaysian girls but other then that great stuff.


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At 5/23/06 11:08 PM, SoldAsFreedom wrote: Capital idea, my friend! Businesses are able to effeciently gain maximum profit and minimum cost!
We're most likely going to privatize social security.

What's so bad about privatizing social security? That idea is genius.


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Privatising the government is a bad idea. We at least pretend that the government exists at the consent of the people, and as such, we allow it to tax us. If the government were to be privatized, we'd be allowing corporations to directly take money from our paychecks.

A better idea would be to take the government out of business. Any corporations that exist for pretty much the sole purpose of military production should be nationalized, beyond that, the government should divest itself from any business concerns. No more business welfare, no more doing anything that requires interaction with the corporate world. Boil the government down to three key areas. National defense, Internal security, Justice. Within those areas, things like disease control and national transportation networks can be rationalized, but there's no need for the government to be funding insanity like corporate welfare.


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I think you meant to say take the business out of government.

Because on what you were saying government would still be in businesses. Or should I say controlling businesses.

But we shouldn't have businesses controlling the government.


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At 5/23/06 10:52 PM, GSgt_Liberal wrote: Yes, it's an infamous saying. It's not true, but to the point that a businessperson should run the government, it may actually be best. They'd maximize recipts (taxes) and minimize costs.

So...businesses should not be run like a business because it's not fair, but government should be run like a business.

Fuck that shit. The government already runs like a business, and their business is expansiveness and intrusiveness.

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I say we need to conroll our government by making it a whole lost smaller.


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They already tried this shit in California and it didn't not work.

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At 5/23/06 11:08 PM, SoldAsFreedom wrote: We've privatized schools.

I'm not in favor of that.

We've privatized the military

To a point it's ok. Private contractors for repair is fine.

We're most likely going to privatize social security.

No, not going to happen. You saw the State of the Union, right?

Why not privatize the government?

No, I'm not saying that.


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At 5/24/06 08:29 AM, MoralLibertarian wrote:
So...businesses should not be run like a business because it's not fair,

Since when? I believe in regulation...

but government should be run like a business.

Government should run like a business in the SENSE THAT IT SHOULD MAXIMIZE INCOME AND STOP WASTE!!!

At 5/23/06 11:35 PM, SoldAsFreedom wrote: Ok, so now all we have to do is switch our government process to the corporate process.

I never said that...

First we have to quadrouple the president's salary.

Not that expensive, actually. But a definite waste.

Then we'll lay off all members of Congress and outsource the positions over to a couple of Indian guys with Bluetooth Headsets.

No...that's not democratic, you idiot. I don't want to abolish democracy, I just want efficiency within budgets and the like! No businessman/woman in his/her right mind would cut taxes for the wealthy!

Finally, we change the Bush Administrations' cabinet into an Executive Board and pay each Secretary 7 figures.

Only sec. state. Kidding.


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If the government was a business, we would have filled for Chapter 8 a long time ago.

Our government is inefficent, wastefull and covered with red tape. We need to get rid of the useless parts, and make our government more of a business.

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Hey... aren't we forgetting something? We should not only privatize educational institutions and military structures; you're just not going far enough. As a super-Capitalistic Fascist, I propose that every police & fire department, recreational facility (i.e.: parks, beaches, and national preserve areas), libraries, and museums. People will *have* to pay top dollar for admission in order to enjoy these top-quality amenities!

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EmperorQuintana is correct. It is only when you privatice the police that you can see the true magic of capitalism happen.

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At 5/23/06 10:52 PM, HighlyIllogical wrote:

youre forgetting that a business is run completely different to a government. firstly there are actual rules you have to abide by among other things that i cant be bothered typing in and thinking up


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But the point of a government is to protect its people, not to turn a profit. If your run a government like a business, you're going to end up leaving the very people who elected you deep in the shit when they have problem. If what you're saying is that governments who currently face no credible threat from major foreign powers shouldn't be throwing all their money into trying to build orbital ion cannons, I agree. But running a government like a business defeats the entire point, which is to give the people as much as they can with the money and votes the people give them, as opposed to making the guys at the top filthy rich. Which is kind of like what America working on doing just now.


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Privatizing the military is insanity. Your talking about private individuals who OWN military power.

Buisnesses are only efficient when they see a reason to be [The competition aspect]

A Buisness that controls the government, makes the laws, will ultimately make whatever descisions benefit IT the best.

It's not about whether or not the government calls itself a buisness or a public service, a communism or a theocracy, it's how it organizes itself and what INCENETIVE does it have do do things in the benefit of the people.

This is how debate works; 1) Present Facts 2) Use logic to Interpret the facts 3) Then make conclusions.


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At 5/23/06 11:35 PM, FightingForFreedom wrote: Ok, so now all we have to do is switch our government process to the corporate process.

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The problem with putting someone who has major shares in big businesses at the head of a country is that they eventually use their political power to maximize THEIR profits and retire to the Caiman islands.

And I doubt any bigshot industrialist would surrender control of his empire just to become president, not to mention he'd still have ties with all his old business friends anyways.

But this is already how it works, so...


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At 10/19/07 09:31 AM, tony4moroney wrote:
At 5/23/06 10:52 PM, HighlyIllogical wrote:
youre forgetting that a business is run completely different to a government. firstly there are actual rules you have to abide by among other things that i cant be bothered typing in and thinking up

You have a point there. Laws are one of the most important foundations of a thriving civilization; everyone, including the whole universe, lives by them. Besides, those who do obey them shall be rewarded by being lavished with praise or giving them worthwhile perks. Otherwise, they shall be sent to the dungeon. And furthermore, if there is one thing that cannot be tolerated in the universe, it's the use of bribery in any way, including in which is used for meeting personal ends instead of benefitting the greater good!

At 10/19/07 09:08 AM, Drakim wrote: EmperorQuintana is correct. It is only when you privatice the police that you can see the true magic of capitalism happen.

Al least someone agreed with me. :-D

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I agree that we should have SOME representatives that are based in big business, but having a government completely compiled of them would not work.

When your logics are based in money, they start to become something that is not really a logic at all. If all they concerned with is making money, then subjects of more importance but less profit get ignored.

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At 10/26/07 11:48 AM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote: I agree that we should have SOME representatives that are based in big business, but having a government completely compiled of them would not work.

Exactly! That's why we merge bureaucracy and administrative law in order to promote political balance and prevent corruption.

When your logics are based in money, they start to become something that is not really a logic at all. If all they concerned with is making money, then subjects of more importance but less profit get ignored.

I know, but not all of my ideas are based on money; fascism and law are my speciality.

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