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At 5/25/06 07:31 PM, Mick_the_champion wrote: Kenzu is a fucking ewok.

The guy's more fucking annoying than Jar Jar Binks.

At 5/25/06 07:31 PM, Mick_the_champion wrote: Kenzu is a fucking ewok.

You behave exactly as I predicted

At 5/26/06 09:44 AM, Kenzu wrote:

At 5/25/06 07:31 PM, Mick_the_champion wrote: Kenzu is a fucking ewok.

You behave exactly as I predicted

And you need to shut up, you retarded 2-year-old.

At 5/25/06 07:15 PM, Kenzu wrote: I found out that most of you *pointing at 14 year old american anti-commie noobs* have no clue and no real arguments and the only thing you can do about it is to scream:
''no, you are not right, you are an idiot, you have no clue, I'm gonna tell my mom''

You have no argument. People make the point that everywhere communism has been attempted it has failed. You reply "BUT IT WASN'T COMMUNISM. THEY JUST SAID THAT THEY WERE. None of the dozens of countries that have attempted communism have ever been the real thing. Cuba isn't communist because people are now a thousand times worse off then they were before communism. In communism, everyone is happy"

That is no argument. So you have an ideal of communism where everyone works together and shares their graham crackers and holds hands singing " kumbaya my overlord dictator" and has a gay old time. The fact is that everywhere communism has been attempted it has failed. They started off trying communism, but it is NOT FEASIBLE, so it has degraded (or upgraded) into whatever you want to label it as now. There is no communist country because communism DOES NOT WORK!!!!

At 5/26/06 Some time in the future, Kenzu will write:
You be a 14 year old noob. I a mature Frenchman expert on socialism. You are so dumb. : : you make no points. Communism is good but no one has it. I don't shower.

At 5/26/06 01:12 PM, Mick_the_champion wrote: Do everyone a favour and take a fucking economics class - even some fucking sociology class maybe, at least then you'd actually have a small concept of what the fuck Marxism is before trying to preach it to us all

Id add, read some history and not claime the USSR never gave loans to countries and never exploited countries. I mean, lol, that just proves how godawful retarted you are.

It took me two seconds of searching the internet to find a legitimate source to prove you wrong on your claim. TWO SECONDS. What to know your entire reply to your complete historical lie?

"God, I really didnt want to talk to you here."

Ownage.

Hungary 1956 (civil war and anarchy. This definetly wasn't attemt to restore democracy.)
READ IT DAMMIT

You have no idea what happened in Hungary. It was like a civil war. the masses went out on the streets started to break shops, loot, plunder. the grandpa of one of my friends was a policeman, who at that time tried to stop the crowds from killing other people. He has been shot during the uprising. The masses killed many people and many communists have been dragged in the streets and hanged. It was like a civil war.

Czechoslovakia was fine untill 1968, where some idiot opened borders to Austria. People of course travelled to shop, but many didn't return. In a socialist country the population will fall, if the borders are open and the country is surrounded by capitalist countries.

It is better to grow up in a socialist country (because you get free education, health care and social security), to earn money in a capitalist country (low taxes, because the government doesn't secure jobs/health insurance/free education...), if you get fired or retire it is again better to live in a socialist country (high pensions/as well as health care/home).
These borders had to be closed. (only around 20 people died) during the whole uprising.

(Remember that in both only a minority was in the streets. You will not see the loyal people, because they stay at home. oh, scared people stay at home too.)

It's strange that someone who claims to be so "democratic" would defend the Soviet Union so much.

It had flaws and many things it has done I don't agree with, but still it was the founding stone of socialism in the world.
We can learn from its mistakes and create great socialist countries in the 21st century.

I agree.
Population of USA and USSR could have lived much better if there was no arms race and constant wars

The USA had a vastly superior standard of life despite the Arms Race.

(No it didn't).
You should compare the whole population and not the average income.
What does it help you to be in the ''wealthiest'' country, if you are unemployed and cannot go to college, because you are poor.

Capitalist country
If one earns 1.000.000 $, 1.000 earn 1.000$ and 999 earn nothing
2000 people earn 2.000.000
average is: 2.000 per person
still 50% live in shameful poverty

Socialist country
1.000 earn 1.750$ and 1.000 earn 1.250$
2.000 people earn 1.500.000
average is: 1.500 per person
Are they poorer? No, because
0% live in poverty.

in this example only one is better of in capitalist country
1st place (1) 1.000.000$ capitalist (e.g. factory owner)
2nd place (1.000) 1.750$ socialist (creative person gaining incentives)
3rd place (1.000) 1.250$ socialist (worker)
4th place (1.000) 1.000$ capitalist (e.g. factory worker)
5th place (999) 0$ capitalist (e.g. unemployed factory worker)

At 5/26/06 03:43 PM, Mick_the_champion wrote:

At 5/26/06 02:57 PM, FAB0L0US wrote:
Id add, read some history and not claime the USSR never gave loans to countries and never exploited countries. I mean, lol, that just proves how godawful retarted you are.

They didn't exploit countries, not really. They gave more than they got.
Just the example of Cuba, they educated their engineers and architects, they gave oil, steel, weapons, nukes (which they took back eventually), and what did they get in return? Sugar and cigars.

He didn't read anything I posted to him, I don't think he believes Hungary exists, or that the Soviet Union crushed their feeble attmept to gain workers democracy. I think we'll add History to the list of classes Kenzu should take. So far we have;

They did the right thing. You were not there, you cannot say how it was. I can.

Economics (Since he obviously doesn't have the faintest clue about it)

I have much more knowledge about market forces than you will ever have.

Sociology (Since he spouts out Marxist theory without understanding it)

this statement is pathetic

History (For his unwavering support of the USSR and inability to criticise it's wrongs)

I critisized the USSR on the 2nd page of this thread

Any more to add?

It took me two seconds of searching the internet to find a legitimate source to prove you wrong on your claim. TWO SECONDS. What to know your entire reply to your complete historical lie?

And where is the link? *looks around, but fabolous has nothing to offer*

"God, I really didnt want to talk to you here."

Ownage.

Haha, he'll probably tell you it's all lies and propaganda.

Hahaha!

You have no argument. People make the point that everywhere communism has been attempted it has failed. You reply "BUT IT WASN'T COMMUNISM. THEY JUST SAID THAT THEY WERE. None of the dozens of countries that have attempted communism have ever been the real thing. Cuba isn't communist because people are now a thousand times worse off then they were before communism. In communism, everyone is happy"

Who said that they were communist?
Vietnam, China, USSR, Germany, Cuba, DPRK?

None of them ever said that their country was communist.
Find me a statement where a leader of one of these countries said that they were communist. (Please don't make things up, which you have no idea of)

USA said they were communist though. (But who are you going to trust? USA, or the countries that know it better?)

That is no argument. So you have an ideal of communism where everyone works together and shares their graham crackers and holds hands singing " kumbaya my overlord dictator" and has a gay old time. The fact is that everywhere communism has been attempted it has failed. They started off trying communism, but it is NOT FEASIBLE, so it has degraded (or upgraded) into whatever you want to label it as now. There is no communist country because communism DOES NOT WORK!!!!

We will continue out discussion wheter communism can work at the time, when the whole world is socialist.

At 5/26/06 04:53 PM, Kenzu wrote: They didn't exploit countries, not really. They gave more than they got.

Please, prove it.

Just the example of Cuba, they educated their engineers and architects, they gave oil, steel, weapons, nukes (which they took back eventually), and what did they get in return? Sugar and cigars.

Show me the figures of this trade. I highly doubt you can prove anything you just said.

And where is the link? *looks around, but fabolous has nothing to offer*

At 5/24/06 03:07 PM, FAB0L0US wrote:

At 5/24/06 02:53 PM, Kenzu wrote: That's not aid, because they had to repay it back

Your funny.

"Your funny" was a link.

You are fuckin RE-TAR-TED.

None of them ever said that their country was communist.

The goal of socialism is communism
Lenin

"There would be intervention and the Republic of Soviets would be smashed. What would happen if capital succeeded in smashing the Republic of Soviets?

"There would set in an era of the blackest reaction in all the capitalist and colonial countries, the working class and the oppressed peoples would be seized by the throat, the positions of international communism would be lost.
Stalin

I have talked to my Japanese friends. They said, 'We are sorry, the Imperial Japanese army invaded China.' I told them, 'No! If your Imperial army did not occupy half of China, the people of China would not have united against you, and the Chinese Communist Party will not be in power today.'
Mas Zedong

And the fact the The Communist Party of the USSR, Communist Party of China, Communist Party of Vietnam, Communist Party of Cuba are the de facto leaders of their countries probably leads us to think they are communists.

Plus the words "Socialist" and "Peoples Republic" in some of the names of their counries leads us to believe this.

You really are retarted if you think they never claimed to be Communists.

At 5/22/06 07:45 PM, GSgt_Liberal wrote:
Cuba is still around. But it's not *really* communist. Same with china. They've all died and become totalitarian and/or accepted some elements of capitalism.

Cuba has no HIV/AIDS apparently, but it is a failed state. Remember, there's a lower GDP than KENYA, only $3,300 GDP PPP, a 78% state sector work force, recieves $68 billion in ECONOMIC AID and has a life expectancy of only 77.41 years (average).

The reason thir GDP and GDP PPP are so low is because their sanctioned, same with iraq during the lockdown, and to be honest if you compare Iraq a capitolist dictatorship with Cuba a Socialist dictatorship. You notice that Cuba was still doing better, 1 million people didnt die in cuba due to sanctions as did in Iraq for instance. And I recon if cuba didnt receive Aid from the outside, then it would be dead compleatly. If you want to see my argument in action tell the american government to stop sanctioning governments they dont like, afterall their no better that Che was in the massacre and human rights violation's sector.

At 5/26/06 05:18 PM, FAB0L0US wrote:

At 5/26/06 04:53 PM, Kenzu wrote: Just the example of Cuba, they educated their engineers and architects, they gave oil, steel, weapons, nukes (which they took back eventually), and what did they get in return? Sugar and cigars.

Show me the figures of this trade. I highly doubt you can prove anything you just said.

My grandfather is a geophysicist who specialised in sesmo-detection (14 inventions in the feild), and was at a high place in his area during the soviet union, he went to Cuba in 1974, and didnt really know what he would need there, so he took a bag of sugar along with other stuff such as russian food so forth, when he got to the airport; the officers found his bag of sugar and laughed non stop for several minutes, the officer checking his luggage then said to the others "Stupid ruski brought our sugar back to us". Anyway... He spent several months living in one of the houses of Fidel, and spent alot of time around Raul and Ramon Castrom, only meeting Fidel rearly on matters such as training of Engineers and Sesmo-technicians. And as can be expected thats what he and his team did, they trained equiped and taught cubans to use the technology for the sesmo detection of oil coal and or any other valuable minerals.

It dosnt actually prove anything, but I promise you im not lieing, its up to you to take my litte story into account or not.

)

I dont doubt you and I dont doubt Russia traded with Cuba but I just think Kenzu is not going to be able to give anything concrete.

I have a feeling he made up what he said about the trade between Cuba and just sort of thought it sounded right.

Im not one for facts you cant prove,

At 5/26/06 06:39 PM, FAB0L0US wrote: I dont doubt you and I dont doubt Russia traded with Cuba but I just think Kenzu is not going to be able to give anything concrete.

I have a feeling he made up what he said about the trade between Cuba and just sort of thought it sounded right.

Im not one for facts you cant prove,

Think about it, Russia gave cuba nukes, by doing so they were in the armpit of the western world ready to send a big shotgun round into its heart. What russia got out of the deal was a perfect strategic placement. They gave cubans technology, training, money, certain products Cuba couldnt grow or make. In return to make it look good on paper they got cheap sugar and tobacco which cuba was growing in masses (as a base for its economy as Che expected it- Until he got Egotistical and got himself killed looking for more fame). There is no doubt there was alot of trade, but quite obviously the USSR wasnt being a wonderful saviour "oh hear let me help you" , they wanted to have an arm close to the US. Same goes for The USA , they had bases in the middle east and europe, which were strategical threats to the USSR. In return a brown-nosing secion was in order to get Fidel and Che on their side, and have some sort of material threat to the US , to impose measures.

Humans are Human , Fear of death is Divine.

Kenzo is a radical Socialist, the Che t-shirt and all I expect, all fair and well, but for people like him (many of my friends) they need to stop b!tching to eachother and on websites like htis, and actually do somthing if they beleive in it so much. Wearing Cliche clothing wont change anyones opinion it just puts youi n a category.

At 5/26/06 07:12 PM, Trizzt wrote: There is no doubt there was alot of trade, but quite obviously the USSR wasnt being a wonderful saviour "oh hear let me help you" , they wanted to have an arm close to the US. Same goes for The USA , they had bases in the middle east and europe, which were strategical threats to the USSR.

I agree 150%. I just wish Kenzu and Zealot_Kommunist would admit as much and wouldnt be so ideologically blinded.

At 5/27/06 01:30 AM, FAB0L0US wrote:

At 5/26/06 07:12 PM, Trizzt wrote: There is no doubt there was alot of trade, ...Same goes for The USA , they had bases in the middle east and europe, which were strategical threats to the USSR.

Everything is about political influence

I agree 150%. I just wish Kenzu and Zealot_Kommunist would admit as much and wouldnt be so ideologically blinded.

You are blinded by ignorance

Wow, do people still think Communism can work? Its sad really...

At 5/27/06 09:02 PM, Kenzu wrote: You are blinded by ignorance

This coming from Kenzu, that's fucking funny.

At 5/27/06 09:02 PM, Kenzu wrote: You are blinded by ignorance

Blinded by ignorance?

Do you need reminding of your denial of Soviet loans and denial of Soviet exploitation of countries?

Are you that daft?

This thread is about socialism and not communism

At 5/28/06 05:22 AM, marchingtyrants wrote: whats the visual difference?

just look in the wikipedia
socialism:
http://ja.wikipedia...9A%E4%B8%BB%E7%BE%A9

communism:
http://ja.wikipedia...A3%E4%B8%BB%E7%BE%A9

Communism will not work because it relies on people caring and people arent trust worthy and that is why we have government other wise we would have anarchy..

I dont want to have to pay omage to my government which i dont agree with(taxes)
I dont want to have to follow stupid pointless laws because of stupid people
I dont want to live in a state were every citizen is disarmed in the name of peace yet there is still a military
i dont want to live in a state that thinks it has the right to determine my morals
i dont want to live in a state that has a fine mesh of social laws controling my every move weather it be drugs or how i slaughter and eat my meat i dont want it

so i guess im screwed fuck it anarchy i guess is the only real answer

Kenzu your a dumbass the soviet union was shit in all ways people were poor and they had no drive to achieve anything greater there

what is this bullshit about the USSR not being a shit hole of anti-human rights :
KGB
the goologs
Berlin wall - they had to lock their own people in!

Democratic Kleptocracy

Dictatorahip or Democracy:

Democracy

Social security:

What you steal

Education:

Yes, 10 years mandatory, 2 years finishing (thieving) school

Health care:

Yes, but you could just steal a doctor

Nationalisation/Privatisation of businesses:

All buisnesses would be required by law to fraternize with at least one other country. Also, all trade vehicles must be armed to meet minimum T.N.T.G.Y.S.S. (Try Not To Get Your Shit Stolen) standards

oil issues:

None. All oil is pirated. (See: Navy)

army/military and its expenditures:

National Guard: Vietnamese immigrants
Army: Militia
Air Force: Al Quaida
Navy: Pirates
Marines: -n/a-

foreign policy:

If you want it, steal it. If they catch you, steal them.

Also, giving gifts will be punished to the furthest extent of the law (having all your property confiscated)

Here is an example:
I believe that the best possible government is a democratic one with restricted-free-market for small businesses and centrally planned economy for huge corporations. There should be incentives for those, who come up with new ideas.
Profits earned must be shared out between workers and management.
Directors may not earn more than twice the workers pay in their factory...

At 5/28/06 05:04 AM, Kenzu wrote: This thread is about socialism and not communism

You cannot restrict us.

And about socialism: It CAN work, but only in combination with a democratic system that is capitalistic. Yes, high taxes, but it'll work. But not well.

At 5/28/06 08:27 AM, ParodyMyAss wrote: Democratic Kleptocracy

Navy: Pirates

;
If you have your own country they can be Privateers.
I know they are pretty much the same thing, but with official sanction by the Democratic Kleptocracy, they would enjoy the having a home base to bring back the booty matey.
AAAArrrrrrrrrgggggg.
(sorry got carried away)

USA commited genocide, slavery, invasions, foreign agression assassination of democratically elected leaders, placing puppet leaders in other countries and supporting cruel dictators with weapons and money.

At 5/28/06 06:11 AM, user001b wrote: Kenzu your a dumbass the soviet union was shit in all ways people were poor and they had no drive to achieve anything greater there

You have no idea of the the great Union of Soviet Socialist Republics!
If I lived in USA at the time USSR existed I would flee there!
If I lived in USA now I would flee to the present Union. The EU

what is this bullshit about the USSR not being a shit hole of anti-human rights :

still better than American.

-USA commited genocide on millions of indians. The government paid you cash for each indian you killed, even for women children and babies.
-You have enslaved millions of people from many nations
-You took foreign lands.
You have burned people, who were accused of being witches,
-You have put japanese into concentration camps,
-You have dropped the nuclear bomb at japanese cities, even though you knew that the war would end soon.
-You have tested the nuclear bomb at your own soldiers, while they were in trenches buit in a US desert.
-You have allowed to KKK to exist,
-You have assasinated democratically elected leaders of foreign countries and replaced them by brutal dictators, you have supported cruel dictators with money and weapons (Batista in Cuba, Pinochet in Chile, Diem in Vietnam, Pol Pot in Cambodia...)
-You kidnap people you suspect to be enemies of the state from different ocuntries and place them in Guantanamo and secret jails.
-You torture foreign prison inmates.
-You preach democracy and impose dictatorship on others.

KGB

and you have CIA

the goologs

gulags, which were during Stalins era, and I said I like USSR all time except Stalins era.

Berlin wall - they had to lock their own people in!

This had a good reason and I guess you have no idea why they did it.

yes and the russians kept serfdom for a few hunderd years longer then every other country

one more thing when did i ever say i was supporting the current form of american democracy?

i honestly think that it sucks balls i just think communism sucks quite a bit of balls it looks so great on paper but it forgets that:
People want to be rich and waht is wrong with that you have the right to
Not all people have ambition
Some people dont want to work at all
And some people have ambition

At 5/26/06 04:53 PM, Kenzu wrote: They did the right thing. You were not there, you cannot say how it was. I can.

Really? Have you lived in the fucking USSR, or any communist or socialist state for that matter?

At 5/28/06 06:26 PM, Kenzu wrote: USA commited genocide, slavery, invasions, foreign agression assassination of democratically elected leaders, placing puppet leaders in other countries and supporting cruel dictators with weapons and money.

At 5/28/06 06:11 AM, user001b wrote: Kenzu your a dumbass the soviet union was shit in all ways people were poor and they had no drive to achieve anything greater there

You have no idea of the the great Union of Soviet Socialist Republics!
If I lived in USA at the time USSR existed I would flee there!

You wouldn't 'flee', you would emigrate. See, people in the USA are allowed to leave.

If I lived in USA now I would flee to the present Union. The EU

what is this bullshit about the USSR not being a shit hole of anti-human rights :

still better than American.

-USA commited genocide on millions of indians. The government paid you cash for each indian you killed, even for women children and babies.

That is a flat-out lie. The government only took violent action against hostile raiding parties.

-You have enslaved millions of people from many nations

Not for the past 200 years!

-You took foreign lands.

Oh, and the USSR didn't? Really?

You have burned people, who were accused of being witches,

400 years ago, plus it was much more prevalent in England and beloved France!

-You have put japanese into concentration camps,

Concentration camps? wtf

-You have dropped the nuclear bomb at japanese cities, even though you knew that the war would end soon.

No, the war wouldn't have ended. Bushido.

-You have tested the nuclear bomb at your own soldiers, while they were in trenches buit in a US desert.

Back this up. I fucking dare you.

-You have allowed to KKK to exist,

Freedom of speech, but we prosecut their crimes.

-You have assasinated democratically elected leaders of foreign countries and replaced them by brutal dictators, you have supported cruel dictators with money and weapons (Batista in Cuba, Pinochet in Chile, Diem in Vietnam, Pol Pot in Cambodia...)

I am not well-versed in said leader, so I won't attempt a trumped-up, n00bish response...

-You kidnap people you suspect to be enemies of the state from different ocuntries and place them in Guantanamo and secret jails.

What about the Gulags?

-You torture foreign prison inmates.

Not legally, hell no!

-You preach democracy and impose dictatorship on others.

Back it up.

KGB

and you have CIA

the goologs

gulags, which were during Stalins era, and I said I like USSR all time except Stalins era.

Berlin wall - they had to lock their own people in!

That's the fucking problem!

This had a good reason and I guess you have no idea why they did it.

You defend the USSR by claiming that all the bad stuff was Stalin's fault, yet you blame America for things that happened 200 or 400 years ago! Hypocracy at its finest, folks.

At 5/29/06 02:08 AM, TheVag wrote:

At 5/26/06 04:53 PM, Kenzu wrote: They did the right thing. You were not there, you cannot say how it was. I can.

Really? Have you lived in the fucking USSR, or any communist or socialist state for that matter?

I talked to people who live there. Their parents say it was better at the time when USSR existed and after it dissolved it was crap. It gets better with each year, but still is worse than it was in the USSR before the collapse.

At 5/28/06 06:26 PM, Kenzu wrote: USA commited genocide, slavery, invasions, foreign agression assassination of democratically elected leaders, placing puppet leaders in other countries and supporting cruel dictators with weapons and money.

At 5/28/06 06:11 AM, user001b wrote: Kenzu your a dumbass the soviet union was shit in all ways people were poor and they had no drive to achieve anything greater there

You have no idea of the the great Union of Soviet Socialist Republics!
If I lived in USA at the time USSR existed I would flee there!

You wouldn't 'flee', you would emigrate. See, people in the USA are allowed to leave.

If I lived in USA now I would flee to the present Union. The EU

what is this bullshit about the USSR not being a shit hole of anti-human rights :

still better than American.

-USA commited genocide on millions of indians. The government paid you cash for each indian you killed, even for women children and babies.

That is a flat-out lie. The government only took violent action against hostile raiding parties.

-You have enslaved millions of people from many nations

Not for the past 200 years!

(Now they do the same, but on a larger scale, with countries. They have indebted countries so heavily that their debts rise with each year and the interest they pay fuels your economy)

-You took foreign lands.

Oh, and the USSR didn't? Really?

(Not in such a brutal way. You also took land from Mexico and Canada.
And you have not returned Alaska to Russia! Alaska is Russian land!
You cannot buy it.)

You have burned people, who were accused of being witches,

400 years ago, plus it was much more prevalent in England and beloved France!

you enjoyed it more

-You have put japanese into concentration camps,

Concentration camps? wtf

that's what they were called. camps where you have sent whole families with women children and babies, surounded by barbed wire.

-You have dropped the nuclear bomb at japanese cities, even though you knew that the war would end soon.

No, the war wouldn't have ended. Bushido.

It would. USA was scared that USSR will take too much land and have a strong influence there. Afterall it has liberated parts of China, half of Korea and many islands which were occupated by the japanese.

-You have tested the nuclear bomb at your own soldiers, while they were in trenches buit in a US desert.

Back this up. I fucking dare you.

I will send you a link soon. (You really didn't know that? It's like saying that you don't know that Stalin was a Georgian.)

-You have allowed to KKK to exist,

Freedom of speech, but we prosecut their crimes.

i.e. Anarchy

-You have assasinated democratically elected leaders of foreign countries and replaced them by brutal dictators, you have supported cruel dictators with money and weapons (Batista in Cuba, Pinochet in Chile, Diem in Vietnam, Pol Pot in Cambodia...)

I am not well-versed in said leader, so I won't attempt a trumped-up, n00bish response...

which leader? Pol Pot? (Just because he claimed to be communist?) He was aided by the USSR, untill he came to power. He started killing his people and USSR therefore froze all aids. He planned to invade Vietnam and that's why USA and China sent weapons and money.
USA wanted them to defeat Vietnam, China wanted to make Vietnam its province,

-You kidnap people you suspect to be enemies of the state from different ocuntries and place them in Guantanamo and secret jails.

What about the Gulags?

Very bad at the time of Stalin.

-You torture foreign prison inmates.

Not legally, hell no!

But in secret.

-You preach democracy and impose dictatorship on others.

Back it up.

Chile (Pinochet), Vietnam (Diem), Indonesia (Saharto)...

KGB

and you have CIA

the goologs

gulags, which were during Stalins era, and I said I like USSR all time except Stalins era.

Berlin wall - they had to lock their own people in!

That's the fucking problem!

That's because some of these stupid people didn't come back. First they take all the benefits and then they leave to a different country instead of repaying for the benefits with their effort. Egoists!!!

This had a good reason and I guess you have no idea why they did it.

You defend the USSR by claiming that all the bad stuff was Stalin's fault, yet you blame America for things that happened 200 or 400 years ago! Hypocracy at its finest, folks.

USSR changed after Stalin a lot.
USA doesn't change much. It only changes when they fear to be overthrown.

At 5/29/06 02:08 AM, TheVag wrote:

At 5/26/06 04:53 PM, Kenzu wrote: You have burned people, who were accused of being witches,

400 years ago, plus it was much more prevalent in England and beloved France!

This sort of thing happened all around the world obviously, but it was really prominent in England. I live next to the place where these 'witches' used to meet and where there was a mass hanging.

Now we have a line of buses named after them. Wierd.