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What I usually do is go to the 2nd or 3rd page and drop a few people a review and a vote.

Wait a tick...

*realizes I haven't done anything in a while*

Off comrades! To the dance scene!

I only review to people I know will be around to see it. Leaving reviews for abandoned pages doesn't help the artist so whats the point.

At 5/23/06 03:11 PM, MaestroSorrow wrote: I only review to people I know will be around to see it. Leaving reviews for abandoned pages doesn't help the artist so whats the point.

Point taken. I aim to help the artists whos songs get immediately discarded. I geuss I can look off the fresh tracks page to do that.

At 5/21/06 10:07 AM, SaiNT_SiLEiGHtY wrote: thats the reason Saint Isaiah left.... *sadness*

Well I didn't leave BG entirely, I'm just not submitting. I've been at the site XsToRmEr1 and I made called SIX1 Studios putting music up there. The link to that site is in my sig. also I'll be here on the forums every so often to chat witrh fans/artists. I'm also working on an album right now and it will be completely new, never before released tracks (details about that on the SIX1 Studios Site.) And my site will have it's new layout up soon so don't worry.

Oh and here's my album cover, isn't it sexy?

<img src="http://www.six1studios.com/images/Tra
nscensionCover.jpg"></img>

http://www.six1studi..ranscensionCover.jpg

At 5/21/06 01:57 PM, Erkie wrote:

At 5/21/06 10:34 AM, -ZENON- wrote:

At 5/21/06 10:07 AM, SaiNT_SiLEiGHtY wrote: thats the reason Saint Isaiah left.... *sadness*

...thats pretty pitiful.

And shallow.

You come to make music, "OMFG, ratings and praise mean everything to me, I'm not doing this anymore."

No...Working my ass on music just to have fan boys of a certain artist vote it down into oblivion where hardyly anyone notices it pisses me off. I stopped submitting because no one gave a shit about me here. There was too much shit talking about me because 90% of the audio community is 12-14 year old brats that think they're cool. Sorry, but that just isn't my scene.

I'm not taking any sides (if there are any) but it is true that if your song is downgraded it will most likely never be listened too. This is probably the most annoying thing about the 0's... it's not about the score... but if no one listens to your song why submit it?

The problem could be solved I believe if you could sort the audio pieces through choices as you do with the audio pieces of specific members. (Sort by downloads / ratings / date / etc.)

However this has been going on forever so continued threads of this subject will most likely be deleted. Theres no use in complaining as it won't make them stop.

why in gods name has this thread been bumped up? it's nearly a month old!

but for my two penneth now it's back here, zero voters are a neccessary evil, they aint going to go away and the more we whinge about it the more they'll do it as they do take notice of whats said here. All my tunes have been 0bied at one point or another and i couldn't care anymore. Yes its a shame when you've made a good song and it doesn't get any recognition cos its voted into oblivion but we have to remember what the AP was made for... for flash artist's to use free and original music in their work.

one possiblity would be to have an AP clear out of older music that is consensually crap or the member is no longer active on NG, i reckon it'd clear anywhere between 1/5 to a 1/3 of the stuff on here. but that wont happen. now shall we leave this thread to go back to the depths of the AF please? and i apologise for even contributing to it.

At 6/14/06 03:34 PM, MusicalSerenity wrote: The problem could be solved I believe if you could sort the audio pieces through choices as you do with the audio pieces of specific members. (Sort by downloads / ratings / date / etc.)

Well sorry for bumping it but when people talk shit about me I need to make my point clear. But as I've said before, the system needs to be recoded to where if you want to vote, you have to supply a review of 30 words or more (200 char. +) to leave you vote and if it's spam or a hate review that doesn't even talk about the song, an admin can remove the vote and review upon request, but that user cant vote or review it again. it's like a couple hours of coding, but it would certainly help a lot!

I'll have you know many of the regulars here are much older then you seem to realize, myself included (18).

And even if they were 12-14 year olds, the fact they can stick around here, knowing the dangers whilst you could not, speaks volumes. (Go Zenon, the youngest audio whipper-snapper from here to the general forums!)

Do not insult us, by throwing that in our face, it only looks bad on you.

Actually, a person could just vote 0 and then leave a review that's like "AWESOME, LOVED IT!" thus defeating the purpose.

I propose that the voting system be removed and that a piece's score be reflected by 1/2 of the average total review score. That way, reviewing is encouraged, and 0-voters have no choice but to reveal themselves if they want to vote 0 on a song to lower its rating.

Nevertheless, that raises the issue of "What about those songs that the 'gods' write that get 27 reviews of pure 10age?", to which I respond that the reviewing system must have more emphasis on rating and considering each of the four listed factors more carefully, in a manner such as splitting a review from one large comment box into four smaller comment boxes, one for each aspect, that much each be filled out and half their own score. The score left by the review would be an average of the four, and then the score of the piece would be one half of the review average.

Also, it would be nice to simply make the AP more categorial. People come to the AF all the time asking for certain songs, but we could avoid 80% of those requests simply if the AP were more organized.

I for one, want the classical section REVAMPED! 70% of the songs in there are NOT easy listening, and orchestrated orgy.

20% of the songs aren't even classical.

At 6/14/06 10:35 PM, MaestroSorrow wrote: Do not insult us, by throwing that in our face, it only looks bad on you.

You guys tend to read to much into what I'm saying. I said that the 0 spammers are generally about 12-14. The mature ones like us are older. But there are young ones who do tend to be mature.

Let me fix that post

At 6/14/06 10:41 PM, Simon_F wrote: only 20% of the songs ARE classical.

amen.

Its like there is some crazy guy going all blammerama

At 5/21/06 01:57 PM, Erkie wrote:

At 5/21/06 10:34 AM, -ZENON- wrote:

At 5/21/06 10:07 AM, SaiNT_SiLEiGHtY wrote: thats the reason Saint Isaiah left.... *sadness*

...thats pretty pitiful.

And shallow.

You come to make music, "OMFG, ratings and praise mean everything to me, I'm not doing this anymore."

True, but if your score is < 3 nobody will ever notice it anyway, no mather how good it is. I rather post my tracks on other websites, where it's still visible after one day.

I agree with that. They do it to my page all the time. Would you like to ask me if I care? Most of my reviews are 9 or above, so I could really care less. There are many who dislike Hip Hop for whatever reason (that's a whole different topic), but I myself listen to pretty much all music (except country/bluegrass and heavy metal). The whole voting thing isn't really a problem, maybe someone is trying to protest or actually invoke their opinion(doubtfully). Regardless, I think some idiots believe they are accomplishing something by voting zero on everything. I'll bring my music until NG dies and burns and hell.

Hip Hop fans should check out my page.

stl-product314: just post your snippits on NG and post your serious stuff on serious websites.

serious sites like what?

I like newgrounds because a bunch of elitist shitheads dont flame review my songs into oblivion by nitpicking it to pieces - i just get the few occasional ones that flame review it into oblivion for no apparent reason :P

I also got banned from vgmix because I dont like to rape vg songs into sounding different - I just give them a facelift.. and I already used up my free slots on mixposure.. I dunno I like the lack of rules here - makes things.. fun..

There was too much shit talking about me because 90% of the audio community is 12-14 year old brats that think they're cool.

True, to an extent, but they are intellectuals. You also don't have a place in saying that considering you haven't even been in the scene, you've avoided it.

You're also saying that you don't care about anyone elses music but your own, people here like their audio pages because they get support, after they give support. That's the only way to build up your fanbase in this artist-artist community.

but it is true that if your song is downgraded it will most likely never be listened too.

Read what I wrote above, this isn't a place to establish a listener-only fanbase.

one possiblity would be to have an AP clear out of older music that is consensually crap or the member is no longer active on NG

There are a lot of older musics on here that belong to popular artists, getting rid of them would make it worse. And, unless the artist shows improvement, "Crap" music is a door to giving the musician feedback.

an admin can remove the vote and review upon request

Too much work, and too many users would have to be hired to fill those positions, which would result in an inefficient span of control.

Actually, a person could just vote 0 and then leave a review that's like "AWESOME, LOVED IT!" thus defeating the purpose.

So? The act of zero voting is much different then reviewing, as long as the artist doesn't know who the zero voter was, it could be your best friend for all you know.

I'm so god awful sick about people talking about zero voting, it'll never change by the voice of an individual, no matter how rational. You can choose to wait for the upgrade, or you can go somewhere else.

Ideas? Anyone? Post them here where they belong.

Complaints? Deal with it.

At 6/16/06 01:31 PM, Erkie wrote: a bunch of stuff

<3<3<3 ^^ (loves erkie for being so cynical :P)

and fuck off newgrounds telling me this is a blank post!

Amen Erkie.

At 6/16/06 01:31 PM, Erkie wrote:

but it is true that if your song is downgraded it will most likely never be listened too

That's right.The other effect is right too.
In fact,i upgraded the vote on one of my song to 5,and a few hours later,this song was downloaded many times and some reviews were left.
So,i conclude to this that the vote is not really useful,since even the "big bosses" are downrated.

I'm just happy to have pieces of music I know are good, with decent scores to match; nothing particularly outstanding, but if a piece of my music gets a bad score, there's a reason for it. Having said that, my Volt Catfish piece reached 4.00 last week, and stayed there for a time. It did get knocked way down, but it will get a score that reflects its merit soon enough. Good voters outweigh the 0-voters eventually, and if people see there are good songs, others will keep the scores up for you in the neverending war against jealousy and immaturity.

Another thing about songs over 4.00; have you seen the classical frontpage? Try finding a score under 4.00!

At 6/16/06 07:56 PM, Grumbleduke wrote: Another thing about songs over 4.00; have you seen the classical frontpage? Try finding a score under 4.00!

We're seriously just too kind ;).

Nobody competes for space on the classical section... *sniff*

At 6/16/06 09:09 PM, MaestroSorrow wrote:

At 6/16/06 07:56 PM, Grumbleduke wrote: Another thing about songs over 4.00; have you seen the classical frontpage? Try finding a score under 4.00!

We're seriously just too kind ;).

Nobody competes for space on the classical section... *sniff*

i tried *sniff*
*snif snif* holidays........gonna make songs :) come back ! :D
anyway, the only number i should care bout is not rank, should be the number of seconds my song has.........(my 1st song started at 6 min..........)

one...two...four....seven...three.........
T_T i cant counttttttttttt

aiyaaa~, thou im glad most of the ppl ISNT competing so hard on C sect :)

At 6/14/06 10:43 PM, MaestroSorrow wrote: Let me fix that post

At 6/14/06 10:41 PM, Simon_F wrote: only 20% of the songs ARE classical.

amen.

I don't think any of them are. At least not origional songs.

For a song to be classical, you must have written it several hundred years ago :-P

Would that technically mean the genre has to be re-named "neo-classical"?

I don't know, I partly like NG because I met so many cool people here. I just hate not being noticed because a few people voted my stuff down. I mean honestly, XsToRmEr1 and I came to this site mainly for Publicity. That's what the site is for. But the way it's been utilized over the past year has drastically changed.

There is other websites acidplanet.com for instance where u will not be auto blammed i have an account there clicky clicky. the site doesn't havre the same community aspect as ng however u can rmx big wig artists i rate this site a 6/10