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At 5/20/06 09:40 PM, --Judge_X-- wrote: So we'll let soldiers who are 18 drink.

Soldiers that are registered to vote.

At 5/21/06 03:36 AM, altanese_mistress wrote:

At 5/20/06 12:14 PM, Steel_Reserve wrote:

A couple million dollars at most. Now, that might sound like a lot, but its just a little drop in the bucket.

We could put it towards body armor for U.S. soldiers in the Middle East.

Just pointing out that 'a few years can't mean much' isn't true.

Noted, and appreciated.

Thats as far as you can remember maybe, or maybe you were developed by then.

It is my personal belief that I was developed at seven-teen

(Steel Reserve wrote)I feel so strongly about this, that when I have children, I will allow them to drink beer when they turn eight-teen.
light beer, though

Great, but you have to be there with them every time they do, or else; busted.

I know! If beer mysteriously goes missing from my fridge and winds up at some co-ed slumber party, it's my ass in the fryer!

So I'll be extra careful. : >

in my country new zealand the drinking age is 18 lol

drinking age in new zealand is 18 and it works well over here with people but there is alot of 14+ bing drinking

im guessing you guys are from usa maby people 18 should be more responcible with there drinking if thy want the age lowerd but if some 1 wants alc thy will get it anyway so it may as well be 18

I'm all for it, the more parasites that remove themselves from the gene pool in single car accidents, the better.

At 5/21/06 11:10 PM, lollerskaters wrote: I'm all for it, the more parasites that remove themselves from the gene pool in single car accidents, the better.

You're missing the point, lollerskaters.

I am not advocating drunken driving.

I am saying that eight-teen year olds are just as grown-up and mature as twenty-one year olds, so there is no legitamate reason why they should be denied alcohol.

At 5/21/06 11:15 PM, Steel_Reserve wrote:

I am not advocating drunken driving.

I am saying that eight-teen year olds are just as grown-up and mature as twenty-one year olds, so there is no legitamate reason why they should be denied alcohol.

Meh, won't make a difference; it's not like the law was stopping them anyway.

At 5/21/06 03:16 PM, Me-Patch wrote: As an American citizen why am I being treated inferiorly, just because of my age. Thats discriminstion.

Oh dear Superman I hope you're joking....
If not; using that knowledge, it's okay to give a 4 year old a fully loaded gun, or let an 8 year old drive.

At 5/21/06 03:31 PM, Popsticle wrote: You can drink beer in your own home when you are 9 years old.

o_O Where'd you hear that BS from? Or is this for a third-world country with hardly any (if any) restrictions?

At 5/21/06 09:27 PM, Steel_Reserve wrote: We could put it towards body armor for U.S. soldiers in the Middle East.

Already have that, and it would cost more than just a couple million (and remember, thats at most) Do you know how much just one of those things cost to make?

I know! If beer mysteriously goes missing from my fridge and winds up at some co-ed slumber party, it's my ass in the fryer!

And thats whatcha get.

At 5/21/06 11:10 PM, lollerskaters wrote: I'm all for it, the more parasites that remove themselves from the gene pool in single car accidents, the better.

Elaborate on the whole 'parasites' thing?

for those of you who know my arguing techniques well enough, you can tell that this is bait for the hunt

At 5/21/06 11:25 PM, altanese_mistress wrote:

At 5/21/06 03:16 PM, Me-Patch wrote: As an American citizen why am I being treated inferiorly, just because of my age. Thats discriminstion.

Oh dear Superman I hope you're joking....
If not; using that knowledge, it's okay to give a 4 year old a fully loaded gun, or let an 8 year old drive.

Nah, you see an 8 year old isn't an american citizen. I, an 18 year old am. See what I'm doing there.

At 5/22/06 01:31 PM, Me-Patch wrote: Nah, you see an 8 year old isn't an american citizen. I, an 18 year old am. See what I'm doing there.

No, they ARE citizens, just with fewer rights. You say you shouldn't be descriminated against because of your age, that logic applies to all ages. Other wise, you're being hypocritical.

It's not like being under the drinking age makes it imposible to drink.

At 5/22/06 04:12 PM, Big_SciZot wrote: It's not like being under the drinking age makes it imposible to drink.

If you are saying that you would drink alcohol in defiance of the law, then I am not on your side.

We can't just be cafateria ethicists and pick and choose which laws are woth our consideration, or we will gradually lose respect for the laws we break, and when we lose respect for the law, we become ammoral, with no values system whatsoever.

No, the solution to unjust laws is not to become lawbreakers, if we want a sane society.

The solution is to sign petitions, and send those petitions to our representatives in Congress.

When Congressmen and Congresswomen see their political futures in danger, they will take our petitions to heart and pass laws that reflect the attitudes of the citezenry who put them in office.

At 5/22/06 01:31 PM, Me-Patch wrote:

At 5/21/06 11:25 PM, altanese_mistress wrote:

At 5/21/06 03:16 PM, Me-Patch wrote:

Nah, you see an 8 year old isn't an american citizen. I, an 18 year old am. See what I'm doing there.

And drinking isn't a right, likewise it can be controlled to whatever age limit it wants. If make comparisons to being fighting in wars or voting, then we should allow drinking to 18 year olds who are registered voters and are currently in the military.

At 5/19/06 10:21 PM, GunCrave wrote: I'm more than positive this thread has been done before. I do agree with lowering the drinking age. You can die for your country at age 18 but you can't pop open a Bud? That's the biggest bullshit I've ever perceived.

I agree with that statement.... however, since i live in Canada and the legal age is 18/19 depending on the province i can't rant as much as you can, but i still agree with you.

At 5/22/06 09:02 PM, YankeeFli wrote: And drinking isn't a right, likewise it can be controlled to whatever age limit it wants. If make comparisons to being fighting in wars or voting, then we should allow drinking to 18 year olds who are registered voters and are currently in the military.

EIGHTEEN YEAR OLDS ARE LEGAL ADULTS.

This is not that tough. Legal adults should get all rights that come with becoming an adult. A 21 year old drinking age is arbitrary and for no reason.

They don't let you drink because by 21 your brain stops developing so before then would damage your brain a lot more than afterwards. The army thing is because they need troops.

Teens are already pretty bad drivers as it is. Do you really want to let them drink too? That wouldn't mix very well, knowing how irresponsible teens can be.

At 5/22/06 11:30 PM, -Cataclysm- wrote: Teens are already pretty bad drivers as it is.

True

Do you really want to let them drink too?

Yes, provided they don't drive as well

That wouldn't mix very well, knowing how irresponsible teens can be.

If you drive drunk, you lose your license to drive.

Problem solved :)

Is drinking really so important? Its really quite sad how our generations version of having a good time is aiming to go out and get drunk. Thats the whole point of drinking now, not socialising with others. This is the case in the UK in any case, and I see huge numbers of people with drinking problems in the future.

I think you should hold to a responsible drinking attitude.

At 5/22/06 10:52 PM, FAB0L0US wrote:

At 5/22/06 09:02 PM, YankeeFli wrote:

This is not that tough. Legal adults should get all rights that come with becoming an adult. A 21 year old drinking age is arbitrary and for no reason.

Of course it's arbitrary, but it's legal to set it at whatever age.

Just roll with it for 3 more years.

At 5/22/06 08:25 PM, Steel_Reserve wrote: We can't just be cafateria ethicists and pick and choose which laws are woth our consideration, or we will gradually lose respect for the laws we break, and when we lose respect for the law, we become ammoral, with no values system whatsoever.

kids have no respect for the law anyway.....so technically most of them are subject to immorality. Kids can get alcohol no matter what lowering the drinking age wouldn't not change a thing!

No, the solution to unjust laws is not to become lawbreakers, if we want a sane society.
The solution is to sign petitions, and send those petitions to our representatives in Congress.
When Congressmen and Congresswomen see their political futures in danger, they will take our petitions to heart and pass laws that reflect the attitudes of the citezenry who put them in office.

petitions count for nothing......representative councils in any country only take notice of petitions when it is good for them to do so...around election time

Drinking age in Britain is 18. As is voting, marriage, and a couple other things. It works, though. There are people who go around getting absolutely plastered, yes. There are those who drink and drive, yes. But there are more people like that above 21, regardless of the age limit. How America can set the limit at 21 and call it a maturity thing I don't know. Are Americans more immature? I don't know.

In america, around 1900, america had prohibition, no-one could drink legally. So everyone went to speak-easys and had alcohol illegally. With a drinking age of 21, those below 21 will drink illegally, and it's even easier for them because the drinking establishments themselves are allowed to operate within the law.

At 5/24/06 08:35 AM, Leonardo_Da_Finchy wrote: Drinking age in Britain is 18.

Yeah and look how many social problems we have. Future generations will be hugely affected.

In america, around 1900, america had prohibition,

It was the 1930's

At 5/24/06 09:49 AM, LegendaryLukus wrote:

At 5/24/06 08:35 AM, Leonardo_Da_Finchy wrote:

It was the 1930's

It was the 1920's, Prohibition ended in 1933.

At 5/19/06 10:15 PM, Steel_Reserve wrote: I think the drinking age should be lowered to eight-teen.

Truthfully, I don't have the faintest idea why we, as a citizenry, allow eight-teen year olds to vote in elections, drive vehicles, get shot to death in some far-away country, but not not trust them to drink alcohol responsibly.

Furthermore, I don't see how twenty-one year olds are more responsible then eight-teen year olds. How much difference can there be in just a few years difference, anyway?
Answer:Very little. :)

There was a study done a long time ago, and studies showed that a HUGE percentage of drunk drivers were teenagers between the ages of 18-20.

Maybe we should quit dicking around and raise the drinking age to sixty-three, since we know sixty-three year olds don't break any laws.

The frontal cortex of the cerebrum is the last part of the body to fully develope. This is the logic and desision making part of the brain. Hormones cause angst, and with an underdeveloped frontal cortex, the logic and reasoning of a teen age human being is down the tubes. now add alcahol, which does further damage to your logic and reasoning.

Now that my little rant is finished, tell me what all of you think.

You're willing to let hundreds of people die in car accidents just so you can have a drink of beer? if i could i would strangle you. and maybe wack your knuckles a few times with a ruler.

At 5/21/06 05:03 PM, Austrian_Mats wrote: God, I love Austria.

Drinking age tup to 12%Vol: 16 years

More Alcohol: 18 years

I'm glad about that ^^

Explains why we see Austria as a world power.

In Europe you could have a 14 year old drinking alachol and still be sober.

In america drinking isn't about the tradition of it, neither is it about the dining aspect of it. In america people drink to get drunk. This is why we have to be so restrictive about drinking.

At 5/23/06 08:18 PM, Dargon_Luster wrote:

kids have no respect for the law anyway.....so technically most of them are subject to immorality.

That's where the parents come in.
If people raise their kids to obey laws, they will.

Kids can get alcohol no matter what

Kids can also be arrested and pushed into community service for breaking laws.

lowering the drinking age wouldn't not change a thing!

Why not? If 18 year olds buy beer for 16 year olds, they will be punished with fines and imprisonment.

Cops have always used the help of children to uncover people who illegally sell or distribute controlled substances like alcohol and tobacco. It's simple. Cop has minor attempt to acquire alcohol or tobacco from legal adult, and if said legal adult complies, adult is implicated in the crime and arrested.

petitions count for nothing......representative councils in any country only take notice of petitions when it is good for them to do so...around election time

And what else are those representatives going to do, if they can't write laws for people? NOTHING. That's all most of them are good for. So they pass laws that make common sense, or we vote them out of office. And they wind up in the unemployment rolls. Maybe. I dunno.

Maybe our problem is that we are trying to treat the younger folks like adults. We should treat the adults like children. Any time someone under 21 is caught drinking, rather than pressing criminal charges (the adult thing), let's treat them like children. We'll send them to time out and make them sit on the naughty stool and watch barney, teletubbies, and lazy town for an hour. They'll never break the law again.