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At 5/17/06 09:04 AM, WillPostForFood wrote: cubase is what all the proffesionals use in studios. its the industry standard. so i guess that means FL < cubase?

dont get me wrong, fl is a very good program. but it just dosent have ALOT of fetures that cubase has.

ONCE again, just coz someone known uses soemthign doesn't mean it fucking owns everything?!

Ok wanna see how they can do the same dam things?
Take ANY synth in the programs which supports the simple standard wave shapes.
Take a saw on 1 oscillator and place a detune at 127 speed and about 2 mm to positive.

Oh god it sounds the same in all 3 programs....Does 1 program own the other in taht? NO
Why not?
Coz standard synth making with the same standards make what?
Ye the SAME sounds...
so what have you hopefuilly learned?

Software is from personal preference, just coz YOU suck doesn't mean the program suck.
Learn the basics with LOGIC, not what buttons you press....which is 1 thing many of the reason user might find hard with mixing and masetring with fl?(mastering in fl is fuckign stupid).
There are programs like:
T-racks
Wavelab
Soundforge
and so on....

Well the point being that why waste your energy to beat the crap out of others personal choice?It most likely ends up in flaming and no point taken on any part.
If you manage to amek somethign fantastic on 1 program then "GO you".

Pro's use what they like to use, thats why they know it so well and also made them what they are.

I feel im loosing my point here now, but anyway....Grow up and accept each others choice...Freedom of speech...yes...but its just stupid to provoke....

Chill, b0unc3, just leave it be... there´s allways gonna be these kind of fights, its kindof in the same levels as "my dad beats your dad", or "superman pwns batman"... :)

Yeyeye daddy.
I'm just tired of the lack of a real concept behind everyones comments :P
Don't bitch something up before you know it as good as your own proggy.......

I just want atleast SOMEONE to get a brighter idea of how fucked up this is haha :P

pumpkin seeds

At 5/18/06 10:44 AM, Fanta5t1c wrote: pumpkin seeds

My sentiments exactly.

At 5/18/06 10:44 AM, Fanta5t1c wrote: pumpkin seeds

I like how you think. I pronounce you "my new friend".

At 5/18/06 10:44 AM, Fanta5t1c wrote:

:: pumpkin seeds

"Pumpkin Seeds" eh? Sounds like a good program! XD!

I've heard of a company called Arturia, do they do good music programs?

yes they do and they do cracking synths as well, midrange price

i think that cubase is better to use but fruity loops is easier and my favortie program out the 2.

At 5/16/06 10:37 AM, -ZENON- wrote:

One of the pros said 'Hey, whats that cheap program that you can download off the net?' The other guy said 'Reason?' He said, 'no, thats not it...' the other guy then said 'Fruity Loops?'

Then he said 'Yeah.

Thats it'.

I wanted to punch him in the face.

lol, I should've taken a picture of the look on your face that day.

At 5/17/06 11:02 AM, B0UNC3 wrote: Ok wanna see how they can do the same dam things?
Take ANY synth in the programs which supports the simple standard wave shapes.
Take a saw on 1 oscillator and place a detune at 127 speed and about 2 mm to positive.

Its not in the product, it's in the method, and what you find eaisier. For what you said there, in FL and cubase, you would have to find a VST with a saw on 1 osc and detune capabilies, and then learn how to use it, which may or may not be difficult.

In reason, you get a virtual synth that you use just like a real synth, which is only really useful if you know enough about real synths to use the functions effectively.

I'm not saying either is better, this always was and always will be a matter of personal choice, and what you, the user, find eaisier to work with.

At 6/5/06 02:14 PM, Roameyoe wrote: lol, I should've taken a picture of the look on your face that day.

The angry face I made would have killed people who decided to look at it.

Its funny though... Alot of pro's are switching to Fruityloops because of how easy it is to create music on it. In order for a program to become popular people need to know how to use it before they buy it. If you don't know how a program works then what good does it do for you?

I've been using FLS for about 6 years now (Started with FL3) And its the only music prog I know. But there are several other programs out there that have more potential than FLS does so they choose to call FLS a noob program. Most of the time people will choose 1 program and stick with it without ever trying a different prouct. Until FLS unsatisfies them they will choose another one.

I've tried a few other programs like Cake walk, Reason, and (I forget the name of this other one but its not cubase.) and they all have strengths and weaknesses. the only weakness that FLS has is that you are really limited to only creating music in stereo. At least that is what I think. no matter how hard I try with my 5.1 surround sound system the music is only played in stereo. (Left Right Center) In this one program I was able to assign the sample to a speaker or "Position" if you will so that it would play on the far left or upper right. Thus making the sample sound like it was bouncing from the back left to the upper right. I lost that program 2 years ago though and I forgot the name.

So don't judge programs based on popularity. Judge it on Content. I give Cubase a 6/10, Reason a 7/10 and FLS a 7/10 this other program I was talking about I would give a 6/10

At 6/5/06 04:55 PM, guilmonx wrote: I've tried a few other programs like Cake walk, Reason, and (I forget the name of this other one but its not cubase.) and they all have strengths and weaknesses. the only weakness that FLS has is that you are really limited to only creating music in stereo.

There isnt any music software on earth that can do that... except cubase. I think.

At 6/5/06 04:29 PM, -ZENON- wrote:

At 6/5/06 02:14 PM, Roameyoe wrote: lol, I should've taken a picture of the look on your face that day.

The angry face I made would have killed people who decided to look at it.

I remember seeing you, man that guy really got you mad didn't he? Those "pros" mostly recorder and mixed, I don't think they composed music nearly as much music as you do. That's probably why they favored other programs and just said FL Studio was cheap. I think that it's all a matter of how one uses the programs. If someone very good at Reason, he'll make nice music with Reason, same with Cubase and FL Studio. Personally, I think FL Studio is simpler to start with.

At 6/5/06 05:22 PM, Khuskan wrote:
There isnt any music software on earth that can do that... except cubase. I think.

Actually there is... If FLS could have a 5.1 stereo module integrated with the software it could really get some pretty good artists... Surround sound music is becoming a part of the Jungle Genre.

I just wish I still had the prog. that way I could sample the jump on there first then convert it to a wav file... then put it in FLS...

I've used all 3 ( cubase fl and reason )
i find each of them the same ... but different at the same time
i personally prefer fls because its the first on ive ever used
cubase has its nice features but it's really confusing and easy to adapt to but still.. confusing
reason... reason is like in the middle, not easy to adapt but not hard either
actually i could say that for all 3
point is : dont look at what is different , look at what is the same

At 5/16/06 10:17 AM, Bjra wrote: Fruity Loops pwns Cubase and Reason. if you disagree, please tell me why so i can shut you down

I just wonder why you would try to pit DAWs that are aimed at totally different crowds against each other. You realize that you could just rewire both Reason and FL Studio into Cubase and they could be all one big happy family, right?

yeah, srsly. i agree with hunsaker. if anything, the reason i don't try out fruity loops or cubase as of now is because i got in the swing of reason, and i like it. i took a look at the fl trial, tried it out for a bit, got utterly lost due to the completely different interface [no im not inept with computers...], and just went back to reason. that probably won't change for a while, and im totally cool with that.

the same thing happens to you and lots of others. you look at other programs and are like "WTF I CANT DO IT THE SAYM IN 10 SECONDS!" and then declare that it sucks. they all have their own strengths, git over it!

At the end of the day, you can make any sound with any of the programs, some simply bring you a type of sound more readily then another.
I have a little xp in Fl, Ive played around with reason and Ive been to a studio with cubase, but never actually used it.

From what I can gather FL just has a very simple and somewhat intuitive layout. I found that reason was just more confusing when you are trying to get organized... may b its cause Im nub.

I wouldnt say that FL owns any other sequencer. It is just very easy to use. Step sequencer is probably the most basic thing EVER to make something simple.

But my personal favourite is Mario Sequencer. Definitely the best samples ever.

At 5/16/06 10:17 AM, Bjra wrote: ...please tell me why so i can shut you down

lulz - you horrible troll :D

I can't help but believe that you don't really care one way or another and that you're just stirring up a little shit.

fruity loops sucks balls

troll

By the way, all programs have different attributes and they all do relatively the same thing, the main thing is really one's preference of interface.

I dont like programs that gives you everything out of the box , Its hard to be creative when you get specified toys .
I prefer programs like Nuendo or Pro tools
And thats pretty much what professional studios Uses.
( i know a couple of these guys and thats where i got my nuendo )
Still its just my opinion . But yeah if you dont wanna Buy Expensive programs and prefer To have a big bunch of preloaded sounds Get reason or fruity loops ( i prefer reason than fruity , but again its my personal view ) . One Thing you could do to use FULL potential of music making but keeping your Fruity loops Or reason OR both Virtual intruments is to get Pro pograms like Nuendo or Pro tools , AND rewire Fruity or reason Into it!

Here ya go , SUPER FREEDOM in music making + a big bunch of virtual instruments, plug ins and effects.

but you can upload you orignal sounds/samples into fruity loops you dont have to use the preloaded ones, or you can record a real intrument direct in and loop that too in you want, it all depends on you and your creativity

I remember that ( back in the days ) you couldnt upload Virtual instruments into it neither you could upload Effects. You had tu use the VSTs in fruity loop AND the effects.
Maybe it changed , but as i remember it , you couldnt. ( same for Reason ).
So rewiring is a great option .

holy shit, this post is from back in the day. I always wondered how i got 500 posts in 06, this explains it for me. i posted stupid shit.

i have matured since then. Now i think that all three daw's have strengths and weaknesses, and i have chosen Cubase, despite its flaws it has my favorite workflow of the three

P.S. at this point, my songs blew some serious ass :)

yeah my songs sucked back in 06 too when i posted this shit :)

want an example:

http://www.ilike.com/artist/Dj+Bjra/song s

scroll down to the bottom, the OLD STUFF songs, thats my level at the time of this thread :)