Crazy Ass Aclu

[Demosthenez]

ACLU Challenges Ky. Funeral Protest Law
May 01 11:54 PM US/Eastern

By ROGER ALFORD
Associated Press Writer

FRANKFORT, Ky.

Portions of a new Kentucky law intended to prevent protesters from disrupting funerals for soldiers killed in Iraq are unconstitutional, the American Civil Liberties Union said in a federal lawsuit filed Monday.

The ACLU argues that sections of the law go too far in limiting freedom of speech and expression.

Members of the Topeka, Kan.-based Westboro Baptist Church have protested at military funerals in several states. The church claims the soldiers' deaths are a sign of God punishing America for tolerating homosexuality.

The new law, signed by Gov. Ernie Fletcher in March, bans protests within 300 feet of memorial services, wakes and burials. Violators can be charged with first-degree disorderly conduct, punishable by up to a year in jail.

But it is so broad that people could unknowingly violate it by stopping to chat on a public sidewalk near a funeral home, Lili S. Lutgens, an ACLU attorney in Louisville. It also could prevent pro- military groups from participating in counter-protests outside memorial services, she said.

The lawsuit was filed on behalf of Bart McQueary, a Kentucky man who has protested alongside the church members on three occasions. McQueary had no listed telephone number and couldn't be reached for comment. The ACLU has asked U.S. District Judge Karen Caldwell to grant a preliminary injunction to allow the protests to continue.

The governor hasn't yet seen the lawsuit, said Fletcher spokesman Brett Hall.

However, Hall said mourning families deserve privacy.

"The public should respect their dignity in a very difficult time," he said. "That's why this law was passed. It's inconceivable why anyone would want to protest at a military funeral while family members are there."

You have to give it to them. They may be fuckin crazy but at least they are equal opportunity lawyers. Protecting a crazy man-boy lover one day and then defending a crazy who protests soldiers funerals.

[WolvenBear]

At 5/2/06 02:56 AM, FAB0L0US wrote: You have to give it to them. They may be fuckin crazy but at least they are equal opportunity lawyers. Protecting a crazy man-boy lover one day and then defending a crazy who protests soldiers funerals.

They've tried every strategy they can think of to overthrow this one. It's unconstitutional to make us stand 500 feet back! Then it was this law really hurts gays! (Never quite got that one, as Phelps and his minions hate homosexuals, but whatever). Now it's this, somehow this could affect someone walking down the street whistling crap.

I hate the ACLU so much.

[A-Carrot-By-Dr-Riot]

Wait, I thought the ACLU hates Christians and Christianity.

[LazyDrunk]

The ACLU (or an organization like it) has an extremely important role in magnifying an individual's cries of injustice. They've halped a lot of people who really needed their type of help.

But they need to filter their shit better sometimes.

[WolvenBear]

At 5/2/06 03:27 AM, -LazyDrunk- wrote: The ACLU (or an organization like it) has an extremely important role in magnifying an individual's cries of injustice. They've halped a lot of people who really needed their type of help.

The CCR (Center for Constitutional Rights) has done much more in terms of real help. The ACLU files mostly frivilous lawsuits, with several wtf ones mixed in there.

But they need to filter their shit better sometimes.

It's a rare day I agree with the ACLU.

At 5/2/06 03:24 AM, Dr_Arbitrary wrote: Wait, I thought the ACLU hates Christians and Christianity.

If you ask me, Westboro is anything but Christian.

[Jayemare]

The ACLU sometimes take cases just to help perpetuate the notion that they are a defender of civil liberties. What they really are is a communist-founded, american-values-hating club of lawyers that is extremely anti-christian, anti-children, pro-illegal immigration, and fights any kind of legislation that would protect the United States against terrorism. This just looks like a ploy to show that they help retards on both sides of the political spectrum.

[Penal-Disturbance]

Yes, the ACLU are nut jobs. Not people that support capitalism screwing over poor people because they believe in "Hard work", not people that put their ideaologies before human life, not people that make up bullshit reasons why they're going to keep Gay people as second class citizens today, not people that don't have a single logical justification for any of their beliefs.

No, it's the liberals that are at fault.

You're a sexist, bigotted scumbag. Deal with that before you open your mouth again, if you want ot be taken seriously. I'm sick of shit like that being allowed on the forums, so if people can do that, IS hould be allowed kick up a fuss about it.

[Demosthenez]

Who the hell are you talking to?

I actually respect the ACLU. I dont agree with almost any of the shit they pull but at least you know you can call in them to defend you no matter what you do if worse comes to worse.

God, you are a psycho bitch.

[JMHX]

At 5/2/06 03:31 PM, FAB0L0US wrote: Who the hell are you talking to?

I actually respect the ACLU. I dont agree with almost any of the shit they pull but at least you know you can call in them to defend you no matter what you do if worse comes to worse.

God, you are a psycho bitch.

When Limbaugh joined hands with the ACLU in his drug trial, I knew we could all get along.

[HighlyIllogical]

The ACLU defends civil liberties, nothing more. There is NOTHING MORE American that civil liberties.

At 5/2/06 04:22 PM, GSgt_Liberal wrote: The ACLU defends civil liberties, nothing more. There is NOTHING MORE American that civil liberties.

And apple pie. Don't forget apple pie.

[HighlyIllogical]

Exactly. It IS constitutional to protest at a funeral. I oppose the message and the action, but it is LEGAL.

[HighlyIllogical]

The point is:

Who ever said that the law was fair/just/moral?

[GunCrave]

I'm starting to think the ACLU is trying to defend groups that piss me off. First they defend that filth-infested group known as NAMBLA to spurn me. Now the ACLU is defending these Godless hicks who quote Bible verses to justify their unchristian views.

[HighlyIllogical]

NAMBLA? They defend the legality of promoting it. As long as it's not occuring, it's legal to promote the idea.

[GunCrave]

At 5/2/06 05:44 PM, GSgt_Liberal wrote: NAMBLA? They defend the legality of promoting it. As long as it's not occuring, it's legal to promote the idea.

Sorry, in my book there's something pretty fucked up with representing a group that wants it legal to bone 9-11 year old boys in the ass.

[WolvenBear]

At 5/2/06 03:33 PM, JMHX wrote: When Limbaugh joined hands with the ACLU in his drug trial, I knew we could all get along.

I'm sorry, but that pissed me off too. He broke the law to continue his drug habit and should've been punished as such. The means of punishment didn't neccessarily have to be jail, but still. The ACLU was using Limbaugh to push it's whole "the War on Drugs is a bad thing" kick.

At 5/2/06 01:30 PM, Penal_Disturbance wrote: No, it's the liberals that are at fault.

As usual.

You're a sexist, bigotted scumbag. Deal with that before you open your mouth again, if you want ot be taken seriously. I'm sick of shit like that being allowed on the forums, so if people can do that, IS hould be allowed kick up a fuss about it.

Shut up. No one cares what you think. Take your childish insults elsewhere.

Quite frankly, the ACLU defends the molestation and sexualization of children, the rape of women, the exploitation of families of homosexuals AT THEIR FUNERALS, seeks to stiffle the freedom of speech for Christians, pro-life advocates, etc, and stands up for criminals over victims wherever possible. They are crap, pure and simple. Civil liberties my ass.

At 5/2/06 04:42 PM, mofomojo wrote: The ACLU is defending the actions; not the religious ideals and precursors to the actions.

Yet they believe that the same type of law should apply to anti-abortion protestors, stand so far back, and were behind a law that made it EXTORTION, a federal crime, to cross that "barrier". Yea, the ACLU is full of crap.

At 5/2/06 05:44 PM, GSgt_Liberal wrote: NAMBLA? They defend the legality of promoting it. As long as it's not occuring, it's legal to promote the idea.

They also believe in the distribution of child porn, for profit. So basically, if you can't catch the person in the act, too bad.

[fli]

Arbitrary says:

At 5/2/06 03:24 AM, Dr_Arbitrary wrote: Wait, I thought the ACLU hates Christians and Christianity.

Then mofo says:

At 5/2/06 04:42 PM, mofomojo wrote: The ACLU is defending the actions; not the religious ideals and precursors to the actions.

I guess there's no need to say it after all--

[Thespus]

I can't stand the Westboro Baptist church, but I do believe that, Constitutionally, they have the right to protest at funerals. And they've become less than a nuisance anyhow by now. The Patriot Guard is doing a phenomenal job of letting the mourners mourn in peace (with motorcycle sounds in the background). And they're doing it legally, so let it happen. I mean, if we have people who are willing to give up their day and nonviolently oppose the church, then they can do that and we don't have to ask for a law to be made or for the ACLU to create such a fuss.

So, not only is the law bad, but the reason for the law isn't as big a deal anymore.

[MortifiedPenguins]

Let them have the right for all I care.

It still doesn't physically stop me from kicking the shit out of the Phelps if they ever protested at my brother's funeral.

[WolvenBear]

At 5/2/06 06:38 PM, Dulnar wrote: So, not only is the law bad, but the reason for the law isn't as big a deal anymore.

The Patriot Guard is limited in number. They can't predict every move sickos like the Phelps make. And I'm sorry, but I don't buy that "the law is bad."

[Thespus]

At 5/2/06 06:50 PM, WolvenBear wrote:

At 5/2/06 06:38 PM, Dulnar wrote: So, not only is the law bad, but the reason for the law isn't as big a deal anymore.

The Patriot Guard is limited in number. They can't predict every move sickos like the Phelps make. And I'm sorry, but I don't buy that "the law is bad."

Actually, the Patriot Guard has thousands of members, at least 200 of them travelling at the same pace as Phelps' clan at one time. I would join if I were a few months older and had the means of travelling. I probably will join when I turn eighteen and will help with the effort if it ever comes about around here again.

And the law is bad. The ACLU pointed out that the language of the law can be misinterpreted and can prevent other groups, like counterprotests, from coming to fruition. Not to mention the fact that it gives angry officers the chance to use the force they couldn't use before and it could cause a multitude of other problems for any innocent soul passing by.