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At 4/29/06 07:40 PM, badtweak wrote: Im a high school dropout and its been great.I dont know where you live but there are lots of ways for a dropout to make it here.I toke a year off,then got my GED,and now I'm in the process of going to college to study animation all 2 full years before I was "supose to."My teachers were mother fuckers and I think dropingout was the best thing ive ever done.

well then you didnt completly dropout of highschool if you got your GED. to really drop out you need to not even take the GED, and see, you are going to college. people like OpusFreiling are the real dropouts who just basically quit all together. no GED, no college.

many people end college by just getting their GED. some actually are smart enough and have learned enough....like how to do reports, how to research, how to learn. because that is basically what highschool is, learning how to learn.

and to Makaio, you are right. that would be a flaw. the country does need ditch diggers.

You know what, Thats a great idea. Lets kill the dropouts! Then, we'll kill everyone with an IQ under 60 and then we'll kill all the fundamentalists! Then, we'll be the smartest country in the world! YEAH! You sir are mother fucking genious and deserve the fucking nobel prize! We should kill the gays too!
Add sarcasm and voila!^

If you want there to be less highschool dropouts them make it illegal for them to become pregnant. Wait that wouldn't help. But perhaps if you took away their rights if they got pregnant on their own intent and that on the act of rape they have enough evidence, besides first handed testimony on what really happen. Honestly, there are too many accounts of false rape.

The reason for this is becauses girls normally have to dropout of highschool, whenever they get pregnant, because they have to focus on being a parent and not being an individual.

Another way of making there be less dropouts is to make education less psychologically harmful and more exciting and entertaining. People learn best when they feel as though they are being entertained by the information they are recieving. And it's also best to ask the teachers to be less like robots.

I mean when a student starts complaining, the teacher either sends him to the dean to be punished or... tell him it's all his fault. They make education become to serious to handel, by saying it's their responsibility entirely upon going to school and learning and that highschool are open for them to learn by obligated. Excuse my ass, but people do not pay these sons of bitches with their tax dolors to go and sit on their asses.

We need to make teachers to actually teach students and to stop being such whiny bastards.

And at the same time we need to stop having parents involved making crap out of everything. We need them more involved over the future of their offspring and less so on mindless shit.

At 4/30/06 06:39 AM, ChunkofBug wrote: You know what, Thats a great idea. Lets kill the dropouts! Then, we'll kill everyone with an IQ under 60 and then we'll kill all the fundamentalists! Then, we'll be the smartest country in the world! YEAH! You sir are mother fucking genious and deserve the fucking nobel prize! We should kill the gays too!

Know what, that does sound like a good idea. Lets start by killing you as your IQ appears to be under 60 for not realizing my post was sarcasm and a joke, not a real solution.

It won't stop all dropouts, but if you put in a strong vocational program you may be able to catch a lot of kids. Primarily those who drop out because they don't think they'll ever use what they're learning, or they're just not that good when it comes to academics.

They should keep some basic academic classes in, including consumer math, basic English, and whatever would be required to get into a local trade school. This would allow them to graduate high school with skills they can use in their life, and also provide the opportunity for some post-secondary education if they seek it in the future.

This isn't really going to help those people who drop out because they think they're going to be a huge rock star or whatever.

I wouldn't be surprised if some school districts already had this, though. When I was in high school, there were three diplomas you could go for; academic, business, and vocational.

That's an interesting idea, actually. Vocational training may be a good way to encourage people to stay in school.

instead of punishing dropouts we should pay people for every full week of school they attend in the final mandatory year, bribe them to stay basically.

That's simply wasteful.

Why do you all speak as if high school dropouts are ignorant of this society and would lack the ability to acheive a respectable social position? When I recently left highschool, and that was inevitable regarding my nervous breakdown, I started educating myself without adhering to the rules of your conservative society. In highschool you become permanently brainwashed by the lies of your goverment and specifically by the people who have the real power and their will. The educational system has a not to be underestimated influence to the personality of an individual, uneducated people have no right to be taken seriously according to the govermental administration which implies that their "followers" treat them as outcasts.

English is not my primary language, for the record.

LOL

Governmental

To continue, eventually I will go to college. (my dad can literally "buy" me in there)
Or by just purchasing a diploma I can do whatever I want in the future, hell if I want to be a congressman, politician, attorney it will be easy as pie. For now I write horror...

At 4/30/06 02:11 PM, ThePrimogen wrote:

Governmental

To continue, eventually I will go to college. (my dad can literally "buy" me in there)
Or by just purchasing a diploma I can do whatever I want in the future, hell if I want to be a congressman, politician, attorney it will be easy as pie. For now I write horror...

Yeah, I'm sure the vast majority of dropouts are spoiled brats with a rich dad that can give them anything, too.

At 4/29/06 05:17 PM, BlackMetal-BadAss wrote:

At 4/29/06 02:26 PM, Ravens_Grin wrote: Best way to prevent high school dropouts? Motivate them. Create clubs they will be of interest in.

the students need to be willing to join the clubs. and many only care about leaving class and getting drugs or getting laid.

Which is why we would have to create clubs that they would be willing to join.

Make classes exciting, as well as push the students, but do not have unnecesary tests at the end of the year "achievement" tests.

those tests are not for the students but for the school. it is nessesary to see how much they have learned so that the state see how well that school is and see what improvments there needs to be.

how do you get those good teachers? fire the ones who dont care? make the teachers have masters degrees? it is hard to contole that part. finding good teachers is hard.

I would go with the higher wages, which will cause the willingness for people more capable of teaching to teach.

fear is a great motivator.

And a great deterrent.

if someone drops out of highschool, the hell they will face will make them want to go back and get their highschool degree.

Well, how can we have these people get back onto the right track? 9 times out of 10, people don't know if they even can go back to high school, and if they do know, they can't because they are supporting themselves with more then 1 job. The GED program is a step towards people in this situation, and I feel that the GED guidelines should be increased so that a person can get a GED and go to college.

the students of today are the future of tomarrow.

Unfortunately.

i fear that if we dont do something now, we will have alot of ditch diggers and fewer people working in the business world.

The sad truth is that there has to be a lower class to support the middle class to support the upper class. Without the ditch diggers, you wouldn't have a Bill Gates, and without a Charles Merill you wouldn't have people working at McDonald's. Why do you think illegal immigration is booming? It's because we are losing those ditch diggers, those lower class workers, to white-collar jobs. As to whether these immigrants are helping the nation's economy, I do not know, but the position you hold on these "ditch diggers" is a precarious one with wide implications.

the rate of dropouts has increased. and is increasing.

Nope

why dont we just slap them??

nah, in holland we have much better systems against dropouts, especially in my region, we just have social control.. but that is starting to decline too.. so i dont know

At 4/30/06 04:27 PM, Ravens_Grin wrote:

The sad truth is that there has to be a lower class to support the middle class to support the upper class. Without the ditch diggers, you wouldn't have a Bill Gates, and without a Charles Merill you wouldn't have people working at McDonald's. Why do you think illegal immigration is booming? It's because we are losing those ditch diggers, those lower class workers, to white-collar jobs. As to whether these immigrants are helping the nation's economy, I do not know, but the position you hold on these "ditch diggers" is a precarious one with wide implications.

Stop placing people into categories, politicians and the media have tought you this kind of impertinence, I REFUSE TO ACCEPT THIS EVEN ON AN INTERNET FORUM.

At 4/30/06 01:20 PM, ThePrimogen wrote: In highschool you become permanently brainwashed by the lies of your goverment and specifically by the people who have the real power and their will.... other crazy shit

Man, if your serious about that post, thats some funny shit.

At 4/30/06 05:39 PM, Shifty55 wrote:

At 4/30/06 01:20 PM, ThePrimogen wrote: In highschool you become permanently brainwashed by the lies of your goverment and specifically by the people who have the real power and their will.... other crazy shit

Man, if your serious about that post, thats some funny shit.

Dead serious.

our high school is having a fresshman academy, meaning the freshman class is like 8th grade.. bleh

At 4/30/06 04:53 PM, ThePrimogen wrote:

Stop placing people into categories, politicians and the media have tought you this kind of impertinence, I REFUSE TO ACCEPT THIS EVEN ON AN INTERNET FORUM.

Lol, bravo. Bra-fucking-vo. You refuse to accept it? Wow. From someone who cannot even spell taught, you're quite the proud little bastard, aren't you?

At 4/30/06 07:08 PM, GSgt_Liberal wrote:

At 4/30/06 04:53 PM, ThePrimogen wrote:

Stop placing people into categories, politicians and the media have taught you this kind of impertinence

Lol, bravo. Bra-fucking-vo. You refuse to accept it? Wow. From someone who cannot even spell taught, you're quite the proud little bastard, aren't you?

Three words, YOU ARE FOURTEEN.

At 4/30/06 12:04 AM, Guitarmy wrote:

At 4/29/06 01:20 PM, BFG_Nine-Thousand wrote: Privatize the school system.

It is, but you have to realise it's competting un fairly against a free alternative.

Well, if the school system is privatized, you'll no longer have to pay taxes for shitty public schools. Everyone wins. Or loses. I forget which it is.

At 4/30/06 07:22 PM, BFG_Nine-Thousand wrote:

At 4/30/06 12:04 AM, Guitarmy wrote:

At 4/29/06 01:20 PM, BFG_Nine-Thousand wrote: Privatize the school system.

It is, but you have to realise it's competting un fairly against a free alternative.

Well, if the school system is privatized, you'll no longer have to pay taxes for shitty public schools. Everyone wins. Or loses. I forget which it is.

Private colleges would require more money and private colleges aren't superviced by the states and such. Which means the entire school could be an entire orgy-fest in disquised.

It's better if you take public schools. But it would be even better if you could get good teachers. And even better if you could get good parents.

I'm tired of seeing teachers write like four words on the board (Do not disturb me) and then sit on their computer watching porn and eating fast-food.

At 4/30/06 07:19 PM, ThePrimogen wrote:

Three words, YOU ARE FOURTEEN.

Good job! You can read a profile! By the way: You're fifteen...

It seems the topic starter forgets that we don't live in Cuba. Business is privately owned and operated in the United States thus making all of his suggestions impossible (not to mention utterly retarded). Highschool dropouts are just as valuable to this society as you or me. We need people to run our fast food establishments and drive our garbage trucks just as much as we need those to represent us in court and keep us safe on the streets.

Your agruement is futile. I'd bet money that many dropouts would place higher an an IQ test than you.

Alright, alright, I’ve heard enough of this talk about high school dropouts being “stupid”, “worthless”, and “expendable”. So, here I am, to present my side of the issue, and what I think we should do about the state of education in America today.

First off, I think that we really aren’t learning anything in school today. Oh, yes, we have Geometry, Physics, Government, and such, but that’s not really learning. That’s memorizing bland facts and spitting them back out. If I wanted to know how to regurgitate while at school, I’d go take Ipecac 101. But otherwise, I think we should put the students first, let them learn how they want to learn, and let them explore the subject of their choice at their pace, in their own style. Modern schooling leaves little room for the fast, the slow, and those who learn differently than others.

Also, what we are “learning” is not stuff my fellow classmates and I consider relevant. After a thorough scanning of my textbooks at the beginning of the year, I found absolutely nothing relevant to the career path I wish to pursue (Web Design). My friends, who are going into business management, event planning, hotel/apartment management, and real estate had the same results. We should learn what we wish to learn, when, and how. We should also have total control over our classes, not just “pick 7 that you like, oh I’m sorry, 3 that you like, you have 4 required”. That just doesn’t cut it.

I’ve also been hearing a lot lately about how “American students must now compete with kids all over the world.” Well, I think the rest of the world will win in the end at the rate we’re going, because while they are all about letting students pick their path (Look at Germany for an example), we are all about standardized education where all students learn the same.

School’s not really engaging, either. All school seems to me is going from one class to the next, reading a textbook, picking up a homework assignment to “reinforce” what you “learned’ that day, repeat one million times. Personally, if a kid needs homework to be sure they learned something that day, to me it sounds like some teacher’s not really teaching. But nonetheless, school is now basically teaching us how to live as drones. The only reason most people still go to school is to get a diploma.

Finally, I’ve been told that what we’re being taught is so that we will learn to problem solve later on. Well, then, why can’t we teach kids about problems they’ll face in the real world, and how to deal with them? It could be about relationships, diet, expenses, not being able to pay your rent, smart living…the list goes on and on. There are no finance classes at my school, and I know some people will crash and burn once on their own. We could also use some pointers on how to live and stuff like that, because I’m betting most kids won’t know how to live without Mommy and Daddy.

So, in conclusion, Saint’s things to change about schools are:

-Get kids interested. It will save us in the long run

-Drop the tests and homework. That doesn’t do much, and only wears kids out

-Let kids pick their classes, and let them learn at their own paces

-Make classes relevant to the real world, which is so close to most kids

-Let kids learn how they want to learn, not how the teacher learned it

That is all for now, thank you for reading the wall of text.

At 4/30/06 07:30 PM, Dranigus wrote: Private colleges would require more money and private colleges aren't superviced by the states and such. Which means the entire school could be an entire orgy-fest in disquised.

A privatized school system doesn't have to be that black-and-white. What's going on here, for example, is that there are three kinds of schools, basically: Private schools, public schools and 'mixed' schools (or 'subventionated' or whatever that damn word is in English).
Mixed schools receive a moderate subvention for salaries and equipment from the government and have to comply with certain guidelines from the Education Department. These schools have low monthly fees (in dollars, it can cost anywhere between $10-$30 per student) and they're notoriously better than public schools.
Private schools are substantially more expensive, but from what I've heard they're still more accesible than U.S. private schools. (Around $200 per month)
I've been in all these kinds of schools, and I can say that the best choice for most of the population is a 'mixed' school. The improvement of the quality of the education between a mixed school and a private one is minimal, and, if anything, only gives the parents a certain 'status' of having their kids in a private school.

Then again, I couldn't tell you for a fact this is the best way of doing things. After all, Chile's educational system has been repeatedly proven to be one of the worst of Latin America.

At 4/30/06 07:30 PM, Dranigus wrote:

At 4/30/06 07:22 PM, BFG_Nine-Thousand wrote:

At 4/30/06 12:04 AM, Guitarmy wrote:

At 4/29/06 01:20 PM, BFG_Nine-Thousand wrote: Privatize the school system.

Private colleges would require more money and private colleges aren't superviced by the states and such. Which means the entire school could be an entire orgy-fest in disquised.

Private schools are deceptive in many other ways as well. Private schools can pick the students they like. No special ed students and no behavior problems. Also, parents who send their children to private schools are already showing an intesrest in their child's education, so the child is more likely, statistically speaking, to have parents who push him/her than the public school student overall. These factors combine to make the private school seem like its performing better, when in reality they can exclude the problems.

Private schools may be cheaper per student, but you often get what you paid for. The private school I went to for middle school had no real special ed program and no advanced program. My brother couldn't read until he was sent to public school in second grade, and he was then on grade level within months. I had to double up on math classes one year in high school to get into honors math because of the lack of an honors program. They had computers, but they were ten years behind the technology curve, which at the time meant they had menu driven interfaces and mono-chrome monitors. We did fundraisers every two weeks. As money was cut off from the diocese, the price increased. We had to pay rental fees for the books. There were no electives. There were no buses. I'm not sure about my school, but many private school teachers are poorly paid, and they are not required by law to have the same certifications or education that public school teachers must have. The lunch staff at our school was volunteer. When they couldn't find volunteers, the lunch program ended, and we ate in the classrooms.

It's better if you take public schools. But it would be even better if you could get good teachers. And even better if you could get good parents.

Amen to that.

I'm tired of seeing teachers write like four words on the board (Do not disturb me) and then sit on their computer watching porn and eating fast-food.

I'm not doubting what your saying, but when did this happen? I've worked with teachers who will do administrative work during quizzes or when students are working on projects, but I've never seen any who neglected lessons for this.

At 4/30/06 07:39 PM, GSgt_Liberal wrote:

At 4/30/06 07:19 PM, ThePrimogen wrote:

Three words, YOU ARE FOURTEEN.

Good job! You can read a profile! By the way: You're fifteen...

This is the last time I am wasting the "reply with quote" button on you, I understand that you just are an immature fourteen-year-old who reckons that "prejudice" is his best and only friend yet if I may give you a relative bit of advise. Never rely on prejudice, hmmm perhaps I should be glad that it is within the nature of the human race to rely such petty concepts. You have any thought what an advantage it creates for me when I become underestimated by "important" people?

At 4/30/06 08:01 PM, ThePrimogen wrote:

At 4/30/06 07:39 PM, GSgt_Liberal wrote: Good job! You can read a profile! By the way: You're fifteen...

This is the last time I am wasting the "reply with quote" button on you, I understand that you just are an immature fourteen-year-old who reckons that "prejudice" is his best and only friend yet if I may give you a relative bit of advise. Never rely on prejudice, hmmm perhaps I should be glad that it is within the nature of the human race to rely on such petty concepts. You have any thought what an advantage it creates for me when I become underestimated by "important" people?

And something else, did you ever consider the fact that I could go to college in the nearby future so stop posting your ridiculous comments.

At 4/30/06 08:07 PM, ThePrimogen wrote: And something else, did you ever consider the fact that I could go to college in the nearby future so stop posting your ridiculous comments.

By having your dad "buy you in"? My, how wrong was everyone in underestimating you!