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At 5/1/06 05:09 PM, -LazyDrunk- wrote:

At 5/1/06 03:49 PM, JMHX wrote:
When you have no real counter, attempt to change the subject to abortion. How very high school.

You're still a troll.

No, I'm attempting to raise a point.

At 5/1/06 05:10 PM, JMHX wrote:
No, I'm attempting to raise a point.

Then get on with it. You've built it up enough.

At 5/1/06 05:11 PM, -LazyDrunk- wrote:

At 5/1/06 05:10 PM, JMHX wrote:
No, I'm attempting to raise a point.

Then get on with it. You've built it up enough.

I did.

Don't you find it kind of coincidental...

it was an awsome movie! just saw it. it was incredibly made. It was amazing how heroic those men were.

At 5/1/06 05:21 PM, JMHX wrote:

Then get on with it. You've built it up enough.

I did.

Then you suck at raising "points"

Nothing personal.

At 5/1/06 12:16 PM, Begoner wrote:

(that would be considered brave by any standard).

Not if they're intending to do something criminal.

The people on the plane, however, were going to die anyway, whatever they did. So they chose to bring down the terrorists and crash the plane -- maybe somewhat brave, but they weren\'t risking a single thing. Maybe they wanted to go out with a bang and do something good, but not really brave.

Fuck you, "it wasn't brave"! It was BRAVE AND HEROIC!

It is a \"big conspiracy,\" but I\'m not saying that the evil planes decided to crash by themselves without someone piloting them.

Saudis, yeah.

At 5/1/06 03:40 PM, JMHX wrote: How very, very coincidental that it came out NOW of all possible times, with such a perfect storm of coincidental circumstances.

I love that liberals are coming out against this movie for purely political reasons.

So, did the terrorists also sacrifice nothing?

No, the terrorists deliberately sacrificed their lives for a cause they believed in. I consider that the highest form of bravery.

One of the passengers was a former pilot. They might have had hope for surviving.

So they did what they could to save their own skin? Yeah, real brave.

At 5/1/06 06:09 PM, Begoner wrote:

So, did the terrorists also sacrifice nothing?

No, the terrorists deliberately sacrificed their lives for a cause they believed in. I consider that the highest form of bravery.

They thought they were getting eternal bliss in exchange for their early death. That's not sacrificing your life, that's making a bad business decision, using your friends' credit card.

At 5/1/06 06:09 PM, Begoner wrote:
So they did what they could to save their own skin? Yeah, real brave.

What the fuck is bravery to you?

At 5/1/06 06:11 PM, TehChahlesh wrote:

At 5/1/06 06:09 PM, Begoner wrote:
So they did what they could to save their own skin? Yeah, real brave.

What the fuck is bravery to you?

Let me restate, they saved a countless number of people by stopping that plane. And sitting there doing nothing as a plane slammed into a building in DC killing them, and countless others, is on the same level of bravery as wrestling control of the plane from the terrorists?

Give your balls some time to drop, get a job, and try again.

I point out a contradiction in someone's argument and you resort to ad hominem attacks. Real mature. And, for a refreshing (and very ironic twist) you (very maturely, I might add) bring up by age. Bravo.

And sitting there doing nothing as a plane slammed into a building in DC killing them, and countless others, is on the same level of bravery as wrestling control of the plane from the terrorists?

Yes. Sitting there doing nothing would be stupid, but trying to wrestle control would not be brave. Bravery requires that you do something that you think is right even though it is detrimental towards you. Wrestling control of the plane was not detrimental to the passengers at all and put them in no risk.

You ignore your own contradictions. Therefore his ad hominem attacks are not only warranted, but encouraged.

You can't be arrogant who you let teach you.

At 5/1/06 06:09 PM, Begoner wrote:

No, the terrorists deliberately sacrificed their lives for a cause they believed in. I consider that the highest form of bravery.

Yeah, an Islamo-Facist cause that is dangerous to the West and to moderate Islam, not to mention the fact that it is a terrorist cause.

I can also assume that me throwing a grenade into a nutrsery at the risk of being blown up myslef because my religion tells me to kill babies is bravery too?

At 5/1/06 06:13 PM, Begoner wrote: I point out a contradiction in someone's argument and you resort to ad hominem attacks. Real mature. And, for a refreshing (and very ironic twist) you (very maturely, I might add) bring up by age. Bravo.

We point out a contradiction that how is it brave to believe you are sacrificing nothing but your shitty earthly life to go to a heaven and that is better than anything even imaginable in the process commiting suicide and murdering countless others and your sole answer is in the form of another question. Bravo.

Thats not debating, thats called side steping. Again, bravo.

At 5/1/06 06:09 PM, Begoner wrote: So they did what they could to save their own skin? Yeah, real brave.

You are such a little bitch. I am trying to hold myself back and have for a long time but honestly.

You are a bitch. You are probably one of those little bitch goth kids in high school that have to act like crazy motherfuckers to get attention. I would like to "accidentally" spike a volleyball at you in gym class. Whoops, my fuckin bad, you fuckin crazy piece of shit.

At 5/1/06 04:21 PM, JMHX wrote: Not brave, just clever.

Yeah, real clever to blow yourself up and a bunch of other people.

Im pretty sure I dont want to be on your clever list.

At 5/1/06 03:49 PM, JMHX wrote: When you have no real counter, attempt to change the subject to abortion. How very high school.

How are you supposed to counter a ridiculous conspiracy theory with any serious comment? I mean, are we supposed to take that comment seriously? Or you just want to bitch now?

At 5/1/06 03:14 PM, Begoner wrote: So no religious people who believe they will go to heaven after they die can be considered brave?

You can be brave if you still love this life and all it has to offer. You cannot be brave when you have no respect for this life and would rather die than keep living.

That is called suicidal, which you are to biased to ever admit to.

And I suppose by your same reasoning the Columbine shooters were brave? They did what they thought was right. They wanted to get back at those they thought have slighted them. So they killed innocent, defenseless, teachers and students.

Shit, that sounds EXACTLY like 9/11. You better answer they are brave otherwise you are a giant hyprocrite. You better say Timothy McVeigh was brave too. And you better say the Palestinian bus bombers are brave too.

So were the Jews brave because they committed mass suicide after holding off the Romans for 6 months or were they cowards because they ended their lives?

They were going to die the next day. There were 900 of them, 200 of which were capable of fighting. There was half a Tent Legion camped below Mosada. They were brave because they saw the reality that they were going to die and they would rather die on their own accord than being raped, tortured, and massacred by the Romans.

We point out a contradiction that how is it brave to believe you are sacrificing nothing but your shitty earthly life to go to a heaven and that is better than anything even imaginable in the process commiting suicide and murdering countless others and your sole answer is in the form of another question.

I cannot guess at the full motivation that the alleged terrorists had when committing this act. Perhaps that they did it because they thought they were going to heaven and all that, but that was most likely only part of their thinking. They also wanted to get back at America for all its meddling in Arabic affairs and whatnot. They did this through the most destructive means they could at the cost of their own lives. If they only did it because they thought they were going to get 72 virgins or whatever then no, I would not consider it brave.

You are such a little bitch.

Don't have a heart attack or anything. That would be a real shame.

And I suppose by your same reasoning the Columbine shooters were brave? They did what they thought was right.

No, they did not do what they thought was right.Nor did they do something brave, because they did not risk their lives or anything when shooting at innocent people. They wanted revenge -- that does not constitute bravery.

And you better say the Palestinian bus bombers are brave too.

Damn straight.

At 5/1/06 06:37 PM, Begoner wrote: They also wanted to get back at America for all its meddling in Arabic affairs and whatnot. They did this through the most destructive means they could at the cost of their own lives.

They wanted revenge -- that does not constitute bravery.

How you line these two bad boys up?

How you line these two bad boys up?

They wanted to get back at America and they thought what they were doing was right and they did so at the cost of their own lives. The other guys knew what they were doing was wrong and did not risk their lives while shooting at innocent people (although they did kill themselves later).

At 5/1/06 06:55 PM, Begoner wrote:

How you line these two bad boys up?

They wanted to get back at America and they thought what they were doing was right and they did so at the cost of their own lives. The other guys knew what they were doing was wrong and did not risk their lives while shooting at innocent people (although they did kill themselves later).

Begoner, I long for the day when Middle-easterners are liberal democracies with free markets so you'll stop rooting for the terrorists.

Begoner, I long for the day when Middle-easterners are liberal democracies with free markets so you'll stop rooting for the terrorists.

Since when do I root for the terrorists? I think that what the terrorists do is despicable. And since when do I dislike liberal democracies? I am very close to a liberal democrat.

At 5/1/06 08:14 PM, MoralLibertarian wrote:

Begoner, I long for the day when Middle-easterners are liberal democracies with free markets so you'll stop rooting for the terrorists.

ML: For once, I agree with you. Begoner is a terror-enabler.

I saw this movie and honostly, this was the worst movie I have ever seen. Furthermore it's RIDDLED will bullshit.

At 5/1/06 08:43 PM, Guitarmy wrote: I saw this movie and honostly, this was the worst movie I have ever seen. Furthermore it's RIDDLED will bullshit.

How so? Expand a little? What were the bullshit parts?

I've yet to see it, but I'd like to know where you're coming from, too. WHich were the bullshit Hollywood parts?

At 5/1/06 08:43 PM, Guitarmy wrote: Furthermore it's RIDDLED will bullshit.

Source, please? And what do you mean?

At 5/1/06 08:26 PM, GSgt_Liberal wrote: ML: For once, I agree with you. Begoner is a terror-enabler.

I think that does him too much justice. He just doesn't know wtf he's talking about. Period.

That's true as well.

At 5/1/06 09:28 PM, GSgt_Liberal wrote:

At 5/1/06 08:43 PM, Guitarmy wrote: Furthermore it's RIDDLED will bullshit.

Source, please? And what do you mean?

This is the cheap way to go, but I've actually read a lot about 9/11 and almost none of it seems feasible.

http://video.google...=loose+change+9%2F11

It explains flight 93 near the end, but you should watch the whole thing.

At 5/1/06 10:01 PM, Guitarmy wrote: This is the cheap way to go

yeah it is.

just summarize a bit, eh?