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Well, this is not something new, there has always been anti semitism around the world, it was called in many names, and came from aleegedly many reasons. Around the Jewish community there were always tales and ignorance, which combined together into unexplained hate towards the Jews, which was later to be called (by a converted Jew) anti semitism.
About the protocols of the elders of Zion, it was proven to be a forgery a very long time ago, and those who believe in it shouldn't be taken seriously anyway.
There still is a lot of anti-semitism and even more ignorance about the Jews around the world. I have just seen a 4 parts documentry about anti-semitism around the world. You could see ignorance about the Jews where ever you go, peole know almost nothing about out people. For example, there was one who couldn't tell the difference between Israelis and Jews. One who thought the Jew was lying when he told him that he, and all of the Jews are not Arabs. A group in a small place in USA which hated us for worshiping the devil. A person in USA who was afraid to look in the journalist's eye's because he was sure that horns will burst out of his head (seriously). Also, you can find a lot of hate towards us everywhere you go, France, Poland (whose poeple will kill you if you tell them that Jesus was jewish), Germany, Italy, Arab countries, USA etc.
Although it sound dumb, there are still many anti-semites.

And when I confront comments llike \"don\'t be a cheap Jew\" etc.

Jews do in fact tend to be \"cheaper\" than most other people (on average). Don\'t whine about it like it\'s some sort of horrible stereotype.

At 4/26/06 12:09 PM, Begoner wrote: Jews do in fact tend to be \"cheaper\" than most other people (on average). Don\'t whine about it like it\'s some sort of horrible stereotype.

What exactly do you mean by cheaper? Besides, even if the Jews in general are "cheaper" than most other peole in average, you can't say that Jews are cheaper, since there are some who don't. If you say that a whole group of people has a certain quality while not everyone in the group has this quality, this is a stereotype.

At 4/26/06 01:32 AM, 3rd_Front wrote:

http://www.nazi.org/..ocialism/conspiracy/

It's cute how this site says: "nor are we inclined to tolerate Jews or Judaic thought among us" Judaic thought? Oh, like psychoanalysis, nuclear technology, teachings of Jesus, polio vaccines, oral contraceptives, the planet Uranus (discovered by a Jew), the treatment of syphilis, political democracy (practiced by Jews for years before Locke and Christian political philosophers) etc.?

At 4/26/06 12:09 PM, Begoner wrote:

Jews do in fact tend to be \"cheaper\" than most other people (on average). Don\'t whine about it like it\'s some sort of horrible stereotype.

Source? I can't see any data ever supporting this. Even if it's true, it's a good thing: being "cheap" is fiscal conservatism. I whine about ALL stereotypes...Muslims being terrorists etc.

At 4/26/06 12:09 PM, Begoner wrote: Jews do in fact tend to be \"cheaper\" than most other people (on average). Don\'t whine about it like it\'s some sort of horrible stereotype.

Ive always kind of doubted this. I see cheap ass people everywhere I go. I dont think being a Jew has anything to do with it.

Cheap Jew jokes are still funny as hell and yes, I will continue to say them.

Not a problem: they are very funny. At least be an equal-opportunity racist, however. That's how I appreciate south park...everyone gets hated.

At 4/26/06 06:39 PM, FAB0L0US wrote:

At 4/26/06 12:09 PM, Begoner wrote:

Ive always kind of doubted this. I see cheap ass people everywhere I go. I dont think being a Jew has anything to do with it.

In my personel expierence I feel that the scottish are the most cheap and frugal.

But jews have big noses.

At 4/26/06 07:20 PM, YankeeFli wrote:

But jews have big noses.

There must be an evolutionary reason for that.

At 4/26/06 07:23 PM, GSgt_Liberal wrote:

At 4/26/06 07:20 PM, YankeeFli wrote:

There must be an evolutionary reason for that.

Besides getting our air all dirty with thier jew noses.

I think not.

'twas sarcasm.

At 4/26/06 07:27 PM, GSgt_Liberal wrote: 'twas sarcasm.

Twas jewish humour.

And you know I don't mean it.

Or do I?

Perhaps you do....:P

Anyway, here's a joke:

"There once was a powerful emperor who needed a new chief Samurai. So he put up posters throughout the land saying he was searching for a new chief Samurai. But after 2 months, only 3 Samurai applied for the job, a Japanese samurai, a Chinese samurai, and Morris the Mohel. So he interviewed all three.
The emperor first asked the Japanese to demonstrate why he should be his chief Samurai. The Japanese opened a little silver box and out flew a little fly. Whoosh went his sword and the fly dropped dead in two pieces. The emperor was impressed.
The emperor then asked the Chinese to demonstrate why he should be his chief Samurai. The Chinese opened a small pearl box and out flew a smaller fly. Whoosh, whoosh went his sword and the fly dropped dead in four pieces. The emperor was very impressed.
Then the emperor asked Morris to demonstrate why he should be his chief Samurai. Morris opened a small gold box and out flew a wasp. Whoooooossshhh, whoooooossshhh, whooooooossshhh, whoooooossshhh, whoooooossshhh went Morris's sword, but the wasp was still alive and buzzing around the emperor.
The emperor was very disappointed and asked Morris, "After all your sword play, why is the wasp not dead?"
Morris replied, "A circumcision is never intended to kill.""

(Note: I know that samurais are only Japanese.)

At 4/26/06 07:23 PM, GSgt_Liberal wrote:

But jews have big noses.

There must be an evolutionary reason for that.

I am not so sure that jews have big noses, I am Jewish and I do not have a big noes, so as most of the Jewish people I know (and I know and have seen hundreds if not thousends). I have found a regular ammount of big noesed Jews, so I can't really see why it was even made up from the first place.

Perhaps a cultural reason? Were people with big noses once seen as (a.) less attractive or (b.) untrustworthy?

It's quite funny how so many people hate us even with all of our contributions to society.

At 4/25/06 08:43 PM, GSgt_Liberal wrote:

At 4/25/06 08:38 PM, seventy-one wrote:

But it only stems from anti-Zionism.

Does that make anti-semitism more just? It seems to me that you want to justify anti-semitism. If anti-zionism is legitimate, then you'd better be against any unique group having their own country, you should, if you oppose Israel's right to exist, oppose Germany, or Canada or France's right to exist.

Look, several people have tried explaining this to you before, and I'm getting a little sick of hearing it. Anti-semitism and anti-zionism are not the same thing. There are jews who are anti-zionist. I consider myself anti-zionist, but I can honestly say that I could give a shit less if a group of Jews bought up some farm land in the midwest and started their own country. Hell, Theodore Herzl didn't even, at least initially, believe that Jews needed to have their national homeland in Middle East. I also don't want to see Israel destroyed, but I do object to many of their practices and many of the ways in which Israel was started. My objection is that the land was occupied when they got there. I realize a lot of the land was bought, but there were cultural differences in land ownership that makes the situation a hell of a lot less clear cut than it would at first seem. I believe I've explained them before, but it's late right now so if you want I can go into it later. It was also a bit unfair that the Zionists living in the mandate territory also received funding from zionists around the world whereas many of the palestinians were on their own. There are also issues with land being taken later in wars, and also the settlements that started in the 1960's within occupied land are unnacceptable.
Another reason why I'm anti-Zionist has to do with my heritage. I consider myself caucasan, was raise as a white American, but I'm a quarter Cheyenne Native American by descent and part Irish. Both groups had people take over their land and subjugate them, so I somewhat identify more with the Palestinians than the Israelis on this issue.
My point is, I don't hate jews, have no problem with jews whatsoever, but I do have a problem with the way in which Israel was founded.

If Israel weren't there, or Jerusalem was under different hands, then there would be much less anti-Semitism.

Seventy-one is trying to explain, not justify, the origins of Arab anti-semitism. Stop looking for racism where none exists. Its killing your credibility, and it's not fair to make such accusations just to prove a point.

Again, that seems like justification. If you look back to 1947, you'll see, quite easily, that the Palestinians could have had their own state AND peace. Don't blame my people.

Your people. Stop trying to conflate Israeli and jewish as though the two are interchangeable. They aren't. There are arab Israeli's, and there are Jews who are not Israeli. I personally think the Brits deserve the most blame for not overseeing and managing the transition when they left and making conflicting promises in the first place.

I would love to hear your explanation as to how the Palestinians could have had peace in 1947 because I have a feeling its at least somewhat biased.

I, personally, have always found it facinating that Jews love to link anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism.

The UN called zionism racist and discriminatory. The UN didn't even have the balls to say that about apartheid for quite a while. I guess that's supposed to tell me that Jews are persecuted?

A lot of Jews think that since they got treated like crap in the Holocaust that it gives them eternal excuse to treat others like crap now. 'Your people' haven't exactly suffered as much as the Native Americans, or blacks, or chinese. So why don't you go take your Jewish primogenocracy and tell someone who will parrot back your phrases at you?

At 4/27/06 03:20 PM, GSgt_Liberal wrote: Perhaps a cultural reason? Were people with big noses once seen as (a.) less attractive or (b.) untrustworthy?

As I said, Jews don't have big noses. Besides, it can't be cultural, since you don't control the size of your noes.

At 4/28/06 03:41 AM, VigilanteNighthawk wrote: Look, several people have tried explaining this to you before, and I'm getting a little sick of hearing it.

Lol, that thread was classic. Great post by the way.

And mackid, seriously. These search results are pretty shocking. Out of the six anti-semitism threads that were created in the past three or so years, you were the author of five, and the other one was a troll thread probably posted by an alt account. And now we have this one.

Let it go, man.

At 4/28/06 05:48 AM, Lidov wrote: Besides, it can't be cultural, since you don't control the size of your noes.

Michael Jackson did.

I think he's trying to say that when in a culture a certain facial characteristic is considered to be beautiful, people with that certain characteristic will get more attention from the opposite gender, resulting in more children with those specific genes which will lead to more people with that characteristic in that cultural group after a long time.

I don't know if that applies to this specific case though. Middle Eastern people have the reputation of having larger, hooked noses in contrast to Chinese and Africans who have more of a flat nose. But it's probably just a myth. The few Jews who have hook-noses probably got it due to ancient intermixture with Hittites.

At 4/28/06 06:20 AM, lapis wrote: Michael Jackson did.

No, Michael removed his noes completely, besides, he is not Jewish, he is a a cult called "musicians whose time is over and cannot deal with it"

I agree with anti-Islam being on the rise, ever since the 7th July the muslim community have been given a bad press, with young muslim males on buses or train stations having people look at them and think is he going to blow us up. On the other hand anti-semetic comments seem to now become part of society, at my school un-orthodox jewish boys have jokes made about being jewish but this is always done by friends who don't say it in an insulting manner but more of a joking, pissing about manner.

At 4/28/06 06:20 AM, lapis wrote:

At 4/28/06 03:41 AM, VigilanteNighthawk wrote:

Lol, that thread was classic. Great post by the way.

Thanks for the link. I had forgotten that it was that particular thread where all of this went down. I can't believe he is still on this nonsense. Well, he claims to be 14, so hopefully he'll grow out of it.

To Mackid:

One more point I forgot. Being a zionist does not imply you are not anti-semitic either. Hitler supported Israel as a place to send the jews in the 1930's.

When I was young I hated the old...
when I was mid'ling I hated the anchient...

...now that I'm old I hate the young

Hate

At 4/28/06 05:48 AM, Lidov wrote:

As I said, Jews don't have big noses. Besides, it can't be cultural, since you don't control the size of your noes.

I mean the stereotype. Perhaps that's cultural.

At 4/28/06 04:18 AM, Kaith wrote: I, personally, have always found it facinating that Jews love to link anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism.

My point is that if you're anti-Zionist, you'd better believe that the Germans, French, Irish, Chinese, Japanese, Koreans etc. don't deserve their own nations.

At 4/28/06 09:41 PM, GSgt_Liberal wrote: My point is that if you're anti-Zionist, you'd better believe that the Germans, French, Irish, Chinese, Japanese, Koreans etc. don't deserve their own nations.

Yes, I consider myself to be anti-Zionist, and I believe that if the Germans didn't already have a nation and mass-migrated to a strip of land in which others had been a vast majority for hundreds of years and then claimed the right to found an independent state in that land, that their claim to that particular piece of land would then be unjustified and I therefore think that they wouldn't deserve a nation there. Nobody makes an exception for Jews when it comes to deserving an independent state, it's the righteousness of the specific claim to Palestine which concerns people.

At 4/28/06 09:41 PM, GSgt_Liberal wrote:

At 4/28/06 04:18 AM, Kaith wrote: I, personally, have always found it facinating that Jews love to link anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism.

My point is that if you're anti-Zionist, you'd better believe that the Germans, French, Irish, Chinese, Japanese, Koreans etc. don't deserve their own nations.

Alright, let me put it to you this way. My native american ancestors lived on this continent for thousands of years before Europeans showed up. Therefore, I'm asserting my ancestral right to take your house. Now, it doesn't matter that you or your family have been living there. In fact, my claim is much stronger than Israel's claim, considering the original Israel was disbanded over 1500 years ago whereas my ancestors were still fighting 150 years ago. Furthermore, "my" people are in many ways oppressed themselves.
This is the situation that has everyone upset. A group of European jews effectively took over arab lands with little regard for the fact that it was arab land at the time. It's not the jewish part, its the eurpean taking arab land part that has anti-zionists like myself upset.

As for your point about chinese, japanese, et al., it isn't at all the same. All of those groups have had their land and been on it for thousand's of years. Many of the Jews that have Israel are arrived within the last hundred years or are their descendants. The two situtations have nothing in common.