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At 4/30/06 04:03 PM, Penal_Disturbance wrote: Did it occur to you if you don't trust Wikipedia, to google for it instead?

It's a funny story, Penal. Get the sand out of your vagina.

At 4/30/06 04:19 PM, The_Tank wrote: Well than I'm a bigot miss high and mighty, have fun in heaven.

I like how I'm high and mighty just for suggesting to respect people for who they are, not what you think they are.

And of course, thinking bigots are bad people, and treating them with the same respect they treat others with behind the pretense of tolerance(if they even bother with that).

My crimes are many indeed!

At 4/30/06 03:10 PM, Penal_Disturbance wrote: How was it false pretenses? Did she say specifically she didn't have a dick? Then it's to do with your "Kevin"'s fault that he's so incredibly homophobic he'd freak at that. Unless he got involved sexually, I don't see the issue. I don't see why we need more rights for homophobes, if anything, we should have less, since they tend to abuse them.

How is it OK to lie about who you are and trick men into making out with you if you are a man? Id be pissed as hell if that ever happened to me.

And if the operation would really be that cheap, I wouldnt care to much. But I still think its a self image thing. Maybe its my own bias, but I dont really care. I have yet to see conclusive, extensive evidence that transexuality is indeed a birth defect or brain disorder or whatever it is you are arguing it is. It may be, it might not be. I just still find it hard to choke down I would ever pay for someone to make a penis into a vagina. It doesnt seem like such a gigantic need that taxpayers should have to pay for these otherwise normal human beings to change sexes.

At 4/30/06 04:07 PM, Dranigus wrote: Wikipedia is unreliable, it is an encyclopedia with articles written by just about anyone. How reliable could information be if it could be from anyone.

You never source damn near ANYTHING.

Then is why I normally don't source things off from a website. And try reasoning by using logic and understanding, since there is a key sense of logic and understanding that can solve anything.

Pure rationalism died in the 1500's with Descartes. If you havent noticed, we are in the age of empiricism.

1) Everything if partly right and partly wrong at the sametime, except Fabulous because he's a tool and a fool. Like he said I was, even though it's quite obvious I lack being a tool by being a fool for trying to reason with a numbskull like Penal_Disturbance. So yes I concure, I am fool, but hardly as much of one as you are, Fabulous. I'm sorry but how could I begin to compete with the likes of you?

By the way I agree that Dick Cheney will probably run as president for 2 years after Bush and then he and every evil, malicious, and malevolent human on this planet will be exterminated by the arriving extraterrestrials.

Yes, you are a fool. And you are in a league of your own.

4) A man that uses a term that is completely overly used to express homosexuality is indeed a homosexual. Otherwise, he would have just used a different user name. Like fear or Anti-Fabulous.

Uhhh.... I wish that once in my entire life I'll finally met a woman equal to my own intelligence, a woman that understand facts from lies and doesn't judge someone so critically and maliciously. Will wishes ever come true for someone like myself, who only wants people to get along and stop judging another with hate in their eyes? I think not, atleast not in this life.

Hey you can argue all you want, but arguing senselessly as I have seen from people like Fabulous and Penal_Disturbance only shows how excessive ignorance and idiocy has become on this domain. Which is expected because the majority of users on this forum have the intelligence equal to that of a turkey.

Your friggin crazy. Bat shit crazy. Cheeck yourself into a mental ward you fuckin psycho.

Now I have evidence, just because I keep getting harrassed by mindless dolts doesn't mean I'm making up crap. It just means I rather not spend my time bring it up.

LOLOL

Dranigus:"Hey, I want this job. I have had many good jobs in the past, I am a MENSA certifiable genius, and have a doctorate."
Employer:"Cool, can I see your resume?"
Dranigus:"Hey, shut the fuck up and stop being such an ass. I said I did all that shit and I have proof Im just not going to show you because you are attacking me and you arent worth my time."

Yeah, that would work REAL well in a real world situation.

Keep my name out of your mouth you loser.

And if the operation would really be that cheap, I wouldnt care to much. But I still think its a self image thing. Maybe its my own bias, but I dont really care. I have yet to see conclusive, extensive evidence that transexuality is indeed a birth defect or brain disorder or whatever it is you are arguing it is. It may be, it might not be. I just still find it hard to choke down I would ever pay for someone to make a penis into a vagina. It doesnt seem like such a gigantic need that taxpayers should have to pay for these otherwise normal human beings to change sexes

It's one of the most infuriating conditions you can have. There has been planety of evidence to suggest that it is a real birth defect, and absolutely nothing so far against it. You don't just presume what we do have is wrong without good reason. If you knew real life transsexuals you wouldn't even be asking that. The suicide rate is many times that of the general populace. Transsexuals' rights are shitted on enough as it is. How is it not such a gigantic need, especially when some countries(the U.K.) seem to agree with me?

This is a ridiculous argument on so many fronts. If people are suffering, you as a country should help them out. I'm tired of this "survival of the fittest" nonsense, you're not meant to be animals anymore, and even many animals look after their weak.

I think I speak for a majority of the BBS when I say they're more important issues to undertake. Transsexuality is too trivial an issue to take into cosideration right now.

At 4/30/06 06:52 PM, GunCrave wrote: I think I speak for a majority of the BBS when I say they're more important issues to undertake. Transsexuality is too trivial an issue to take into cosideration right now.

That's not even an excuse. You don't just say "Well there's better things" because you probably don't have a fucking clue what issues *are* more important to begin with.

If you can easily solve something, you should. It doesn't cost a lot of tax dollars to at least help these people out. The UK deems it so, and much of Canada deems it so. Of course it's "trivial" if you never have to deal with it up front, and see how it affects people.

I don't really think it's anything to do with that though. It's probably due to your own personal distaste, and you're making excuses.

The biggest changes start with the little-ist gestures. It would go a long to way to recognising LGBT issues as serious ones.

At 4/30/06 06:52 PM, GunCrave wrote: I think I speak for a majority of the BBS when I say they're more important issues to undertake. Transsexuality is too trivial an issue to take into cosideration right now.

Oh my god dude, what have you done?

Don't you know she doesn't understand what restraint and purpose mean?

Trust me when I say this to you, you should have just kept your mouth shut, she is like Fabulous, the two are meant for each other like monkeys in a tree doing K.I.S.S.I.N.G.

You + Sewing + Fingers = Win.

At 4/30/06 07:23 PM, Penal_Disturbance wrote: You + Sewing + Fingers = Win.

You + A full functional brain = something to actually be worried about.

I honestly think penal distubance is a trannsexual man. It explains her name.

I think your signature explains a lot.

At 4/30/06 07:39 PM, The_Tank wrote: I honestly think penal distubance is a trannsexual man. It explains her name.

Actually, I originally registered this account in an attempt to get this - http://wetflame.digibase.ca/monsquaz.swf through the Portal. Unfortunately some people really don't have a sense of humour and were "disgusted" at it. I don't understand what it is about newgrounds that attracts so many sexists and homophobes.

At 4/30/06 07:44 PM, Penal_Disturbance wrote:

Actually, I originally registered this account in an attempt to get this - http://wetflame.digibase.ca/monsquaz.swf through the Portal.

Wow, that was a piece of shit.

At 4/30/06 07:54 PM, GunCrave wrote:

At 4/30/06 07:44 PM, Penal_Disturbance wrote:

Actually, I originally registered this account in an attempt to get this - http://wetflame.digibase.ca/monsquaz.swf through the Portal.

Wow, that was a piece of shit.

I think the problem is that you took it seriously enough to apply that kind of rating system in the first place.

Sense of humour isn't just about what you find funny, it's how you react to things that are nonsensical in nature too.

At 4/30/06 07:44 PM, Penal_Disturbance wrote:

Actually, I originally registered this account in an attempt to get this - http://wetflame.digibase.ca/monsquaz.swf through the Portal.

It's not funny. It's just poorly animated and dull.

At 4/30/06 08:30 PM, GSgt_Liberal wrote:

At 4/30/06 07:44 PM, Penal_Disturbance wrote:

It's not funny. It's just poorly animated and dull.

I would have to agree with him.

But Penal, how are we supposed to judge and accept your opinion when you reject and label every other view but yours as hatefull and sadistic.

This is the same shit that the KKK and other hate groups use. You either agree with them or your against them.

I don't think that hating such a relatively shitty movie is homophobic at all.

Wait, I'm confused.
Was that supposed to be Dr Phil?

But Penal, how are we supposed to judge and accept your opinion when you reject and label every other view but yours as hatefull and sadistic.

Except I don't do that. I only reject opinions which are prejudiced or discriminatory as hateful, and only those which abuse others for their own well being as sadistic.

This is the same shit that the KKK and other hate groups use. You either agree with them or your against them.

This is a really crappy tactic, because being a bigot doesn't compare to being black in the least. Being a bigot isn't a birthright or quality, it's a vice that ultimately only leads to harm.

At 5/1/06 07:18 AM, Penal_Disturbance wrote:

But Penal, how are we supposed to judge and accept your opinion when you reject and label every other view but yours as hatefull and sadistic.

Except I don't do that. I only reject opinions which are prejudiced or discriminatory as hateful, and only those which abuse others for their own well being as sadistic.

Yeah right, youv'e been telling me that if I hook up with a girl one night and she suprises me by flopping out a dick I'm suposed to be excited because I get to meet a real transsexual and be graced with their presence. No one in the world would be happy about it but you.

At 5/1/06 10:48 AM, The_Tank wrote:

At 5/1/06 07:18 AM, Penal_Disturbance wrote:

But Penal, how are we supposed to judge and accept your opinion when you reject and label every other view but yours as hatefull and sadistic.

Except I don't do that. I only reject opinions which are prejudiced or discriminatory as hateful, and only those which abuse others for their own well being as sadistic.

Yeah right, youv'e been telling me that if I hook up with a girl one night and she suprises me by flopping out a dick I'm suposed to be excited because I get to meet a real transsexual and be graced with their presence. No one in the world would be happy about it but you.

No, you just shouldn't pass laws agaisnt it, but apparently you can't make that distinction.

Should we pass laws against people dressing up as clowns that haven't been to clown college too?

Here is my contribution to this discussion.

If some femboy wants to put on a dress and weave and attempt to seduce some big, brawny chap, that's nobody's business but his.

If said femboy goes through with it, however, it becomes the business of the poor deluded bastard who finds an unexpected "surprise", and he has every right to be pissed off.

You take your life into your hands if you do something stupid that effects nobody but you.

At 5/1/06 10:58 AM, Penal_Disturbance wrote:

At 5/1/06 10:48 AM, The_Tank wrote: Yeah right, youv'e been telling me that if I hook up with a girl one night and she suprises me by flopping out a dick I'm suposed to be excited because I get to meet a real transsexual and be graced with their presence.

No, you just shouldn't pass laws agaisnt it, but apparently you can't make that distinction.

So then you agree with me. Tricking people that way is wrong, and dangerous, and people shouldn't do it.

At 4/30/06 08:35 PM, GSgt_Liberal wrote: I don't think that hating such a relatively shitty movie is homophobic at all.

I agree with him. I hate a whole bunch of movies all the time, it doesn't mean a damn thing that I hate gays, people of different culture and skin, or different religions or whatever.

I just don't like how the stories progressed, they are too stupid and senseless and they lack reason.

We're not going to pay for some guy to become a woman. I will assume for the sake of argument that somehow a man was born a woman, or vice versa (not that I believe it), why should I care? OK, you just can't be happy in life without getting that procedure. That's cool. Go for it. But you have to pay for it yourself. We guarantee the right to life, liberty, and the PURSUIT of happiness. It is not our job to hold your hand and walk you through life, making sure that you ARE INDEED happy. And the government shouldn't pay for this anymore than they should buy people hair dye so that their gray roots can't be seen, or paying for someone to get their nipples pierced so they have increased sensativity, or whatnot.

Do whatever you want to your body, but pay for it yourself.

We need to get off this ridiculous idea that the government is mommy and daddy who open their wallet everytime we want a new video game.

At 4/21/06 11:11 AM, bloghogger1 wrote: Personally, I feel sorry for transsexuals. Many of them hate themselves because they are teased and mocked all the time (or because of past traumatic experiences).

But one must consider this:

Many transsexuals were abused (sexually, verbally, or both) as young children, and that can seriously mess up the wiring in your brain (possibly leading to transsexuality).
I think most transsexuals should get therapy and psychological treatment. I believe that would help them greatly, not because they are crazy, but because many of them are self-loathing and depressed.

I once spoke with a doctor who admitted that many of the transsexuals he conversed with had a very twisted perception of reality. Therefore, I think therapy would be a good solution to their dilemma.

Anyway, very thought provoking!

Tammy Bruce, a lesbian political commentator, also remarked on that. There have been no real studies done on transsexuality. All the "tgirls" at UMSL that I've talked to had some kind of sexual trauma as well.

One study by someone is far from enough to sway me.

What's the real question here? I believe it's that: Should transsexuality be accepted?

To which, of course, I answer, emphatically, YES.

So then you agree with me. Tricking people that way is wrong, and dangerous, and people shouldn't do it.

I don't think it's right, but it's not dangerous for anyone but themselves.

We're not going to pay for some guy to become a woman. I will assume for the sake of argument that somehow a man was born a woman, or vice versa (not that I believe it), why should I care? OK, you just can't be happy in life without getting that procedure. That's cool. Go for it. But you have to pay for it yourself.

Why?

We guarantee the right to life, liberty, and the PURSUIT of happiness. It is not our job to hold your hand and walk you through life, making sure that you ARE INDEED happy.

It is your job to protect people from falling into unimaginable misery and lack of prosperity. A government is MEANT to keep it's people happy, and do things for the people, remember?

If you're not, you're absolutely and completely useless. This fact is not arguable.

Again, it's a birth defect, like. Some people can't afford to fix it, and will live their lives out in misery with a high risk of suicide. You're okay with that because at your core, you don't *Really* care about other people, as liberal as you claim to be.

And the government shouldn't pay for this anymore than they should buy people hair dye so that their gray roots can't be seen, or paying for someone to get their nipples pierced so they have increased sensativity, or whatnot.

That's absolutely ridiculous. It's a genuine recognised defect of some sort. It is not something someone does or a whim, it is not a personal decision like haircolour is. It is something that you do, or you're miserable.

Do whatever you want to your body, but pay for it yourself.

We need to get off this ridiculous idea that the government is mommy and daddy who open their wallet everytime we want a new video game.

Get. Fucking. Real. WHERE is that attitude causing serious harm, anywhere? I'll tell you what IS causing people harm. Idiots who fuck U.S. Capitalism up the ass even though it screws them over as much as anyone else.

Do you have ANY IDEA how offensive that is to anyone who's gone through anything like transsexuality, or who's gone through the pains of it with other people? You're an insensitive prick and have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

If there's one thing I hate worse than people making retarded presumptions about me, it's making retarded assumptions about my friends.

I think this just shows how tolerant people are. They're only fine up until the point that they don't have to do anything to help those poeople.

Tammy Bruce, a lesbian political commentator, also remarked on that. There have been no real studies done on transsexuality.

What? Yes there have. One of the links I gave contained a number of psychological researched.

All the "tgirls" at UMSL that I've talked to had some kind of sexual trauma as well.

So we should take anecdotal evidence from someone who really doesn't know what he's talking about over real studies? Because there's only one study, it's automatically wrong? I don't think you realise how unlikely it is. It's not just one study, it's a discovery. Do you know what "discovery" MEANS? We discovered something interesting, that the mental makeup of transsexual women, is, at least most of the time, the same as a born woman. Statistically speaking, unless something was seriously wrong with their methods, it's a near impossibility for it to be otherwise.

Transsexuality has NEVER once been cured by therapy, the same as homosexuality. Transsexuality is just the same as homosexuality, except it's gender identity instead of sexual preference. The only *Real* difference is that you have to fund it(at least in the U.K. and some of Europe).

Did you know that the Netherlands even pay for (some degree of) Facial Feminisation surgery? Yet you won't even help them pay for their hormones and vital operation.

Don't you realise that the stuff you're saying is the *exact* same stuff that was said about homosexuality a few years ago, and just

You claim to be open minded, but when you have to pay a single dollar(rather literally), your mind closes up again. Pathetic.

WHy can Britian do this? Why can the Netherlands do this? Why can half of Canada do this? Because they realise it's a genuine health concern and that somebody cannot operate well as a human being until they are resolved of these problems.

You're pro-abortion, yet that's much more common than transsexuality; it would cost more to fund abortion clinics, etc., but I'm sure you wouldn't have a major problem with the government funding those, even though those would be bound to cost at least as much as transsexuality, which is just as scarring, and unlike abortion, imperitive in most cases. Though you could well flip-flop now to "prove" a bigotted point. There are plenty of things less imperitive the U.S. government pays for. I will reiterate that funding proven Transsexuals'(not just anyone who walks in and asks for an OP, that's impossible despite what South Park says) transition would be a major good will gesture to the LGBT community. And right now, America needs something like that.

You're working on the presumption that transsexuality is as much a choice as fundies believe homosexuality is, and that it's not particularily bothering. That's insane to anyone who's dealth with it head on.

People shouldn't have to fork out thousands just because of the way they're born. All major birth defects should be funded for. Do you think that if the Elephant man wanted his head fixed, it would just be "pursuit of happiness", and like getting his roots done? How is it any different? It's not the same as plastic surgery if you're vastly mutilated to begin with.
We have the technology to help these people. Refusal of action is just as bad as a negative action in many cases.