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At 4/20/06 11:05 PM, Penal_Disturbance wrote: Also, like homosexuality, transsexuality occurs in nature. It is not a human phenomenon, it is just that we are the only ones that evolved a means to fix it, but unfortunately we also involved many reasons to make that fix even more urgent, and then continue to harass them even when they are "fixed".

I have never seen a monkey with high heals, a wig or long hair, a dress and a really weird deep voice

At 4/21/06 01:51 AM, useless_idiot wrote:

I have never seen a monkey with high heals, a wig or long hair, a dress and a really weird deep voice

I see you've never been to Ontario.

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At 4/21/06 01:55 AM, -poxpower- wrote:

At 4/21/06 01:51 AM, useless_idiot wrote:

I have never seen a monkey with high heals, a wig or long hair, a dress and a really weird deep voice

I see you've never been to Ontario.

At the same time... there are some REALLY good ones that look like women.
I had a chance to date with a transsexual (not transgendered)-- When I was 18... when I was exploring.

Nope. Didn't like women. Didn't like guys who looked like women.
Just men.

but yeah-- I've seen some really grotesque trannies before, but for a lot of them... there are a handful of beauties too.

At 4/21/06 04:03 AM, fli wrote:

At 4/21/06 01:55 AM, -poxpower- wrote:

At 4/21/06 01:51 AM, useless_idiot wrote:

but yeah-- I've seen some really grotesque trannies before, but for a lot of them... there are a handful of beauties too.

Thats whats called really good plastic surgery on a femine guy.

Personally, I feel sorry for transsexuals. Many of them hate themselves because they are teased and mocked all the time (or because of past traumatic experiences).

But one must consider this:

Many transsexuals were abused (sexually, verbally, or both) as young children, and that can seriously mess up the wiring in your brain (possibly leading to transsexuality).
I think most transsexuals should get therapy and psychological treatment. I believe that would help them greatly, not because they are crazy, but because many of them are self-loathing and depressed.

I once spoke with a doctor who admitted that many of the transsexuals he conversed with had a very twisted perception of reality. Therefore, I think therapy would be a good solution to their dilemma.

Anyway, very thought provoking!

Give me 10 minutes and I can find you 10 sites about poor repressed transexuals WHO BARE IT ALL!!

So, in otherwords, you hate transsexuals based off almost nothing, and are now looking for things to back up your hatred, instead of having a case based on actual facts. You're a piece of shit and hardly worth arguing with.

I told you, I don't think its not possible that there is somehow a way to identify a male brain and a female brain and discover their mismatch a body.

Wel, modern science says it is. You can't just "disagree" without evidence at least as solid.

It just seems fucking unlikely to me that this alone would drive TWENTY PERCENT of people to suicide.

Wtf?
Why? That's crazy bullshit. Sounds like inflated numbers used to put attention on a cause that needs none.

You're an asshole on a messageboard filled with idiots. You calling it "crazy bullshit" doesn't stack up against it. If it's "crazy bullshit", you have to find something that proves your case.

The author of the thread makes it sound like this is a SERIOUS problem that needs addressing and that society is evil and rejects men in dresses.

Conisder you appear to have barely a shred of humanity towards anyone you "disagree" with, I don't see how I can make a case for you.

Not women in men clothes though, that's HOT.

Hypocrite.

At 4/21/06 11:11 AM, bloghogger1 wrote: Personally, I feel sorry for transsexuals. Many of them hate themselves because they are teased and mocked all the time (or because of past traumatic experiences).

But one must consider this:

Many transsexuals were abused (sexually, verbally, or both) as young children, and that can seriously mess up the wiring in your brain (possibly leading to transsexuality).
I think most transsexuals should get therapy and psychological treatment. I believe that would help them greatly, not because they are crazy, but because many of them are self-loathing and depressed.

I once spoke with a doctor who admitted that many of the transsexuals he conversed with had a very twisted perception of reality. Therefore, I think therapy would be a good solution to their dilemma.

Anyway, very thought provoking!

Therapy doesn't "cure" sexuality, nor would it be appropriate practice if you could. All sufferers of gender dysphoria are put through intesne psychological treatment and examination.

Imagine if you were treated as a freak, and felt completely alien in your own body. Imagine how hard it would be to keep a grip like that.

At 4/21/06 01:20 PM, Penal_Disturbance wrote: So, in otherwords, you hate transsexuals based off almost nothing, and are now looking for things to back up your hatred, instead of having a case based on actual facts. You're a piece of shit and hardly worth arguing with.

Hatred?
Oh you're one of those people aren't you. If I say "hippy" I sudenly want the mass-genocide of all lesbians and gays, and if I don't share your views on somethinng, then I must be a murderous taskmaster who's dream is to enslave the planet.
right right.
Wtf, when did I say I hated any of them???
I don't even KNOW any.

I told you, I don't think its not possible that there is somehow a way to identify a male brain and a female brain and discover their mismatch a body.

Wel, modern science says it is. You can't just "disagree" without evidence at least as solid.

Lol read what you wrote. You basicaly just said "modern science says its impossible to differenciate the two types of brain".
HA.
Are you possibly throwing a hissy fit? Too angry to read? HULK SMASH BOOKS BAD

You're an asshole on a messageboard filled with idiots. You calling it "crazy bullshit" doesn't stack up against it. If it's "crazy bullshit", you have to find something that proves your case.

For one, "studies are sparse". Yeah how am I going to find numbers that aren't even there t begin with?
Doesn't mean I have to trust their studies.
For instance: tobacco company lawsuits. They played ping-pong for a good long while as to know if cigs were harmful or not, and they each had stacks and stacks of paper to "prove" their points.

I'm not saying I don't trust surveys or stats, but that 20% number clearly sounds exagerated, especialy since the authors amdit their research is sparse. I don't know what sample they used for those stats.
but 20%?
No way.

And in any case, that 20% of suicide IS NOT CAUSED BY THE ACTUALY CONDITION, but more because of how society treats these people ( who I never met).
So again, what do we need to treat here? The condition or the people around those who have it?

Conisder you appear to have barely a shred of humanity towards anyone you "disagree" with, I don't see how I can make a case for you.

See, now I'm a Nazi hahaha.
But you clearly haven't read anything I wrote, you're just blinded with anger right now. I love this.

Not women in men clothes though, that's HOT.

Hypocrite.

clap clap you're clever.
So are you going to ever reply to any of my points or are you just going to pout and be mad that I don't outright agree with you?

At 4/21/06 01:24 PM, Penal_Disturbance wrote:
Imagine if you were treated as a freak, and felt completely alien in your own body. Imagine how hard it would be to keep a grip like that.

See?
I ignore them completely.
That's better than having a flock of doctors around them telling them they're mismatched and can't be happy unless they get therapy or a treatment of some kind.

This is exactly EXACTLY the same problems that homosexuals use to have. People like you just would't accept that they could get by on their own if you let them. Everyone just overreacted in some way, doctors with cures and therapies and sessions of all kinds, and people with fear, hatred and stupidity.
And now that the media has made sure anyone who laughs at how stupid dragqueen looks is called a "nazi homophobe", I'm sure you're really happy.

I know gay people, and they are not different from normal people, because they are normal people.
Wtf is a normal person anyways. Not me. Haha.

Please just stop talking. Appeal to Ridicule "OMG I'M A NAZI NOW LOL" does not an argument make.

At 4/21/06 02:09 PM, Penal_Disturbance wrote: Please just stop talking. Appeal to Ridicule "OMG I'M A NAZI NOW LOL" does not an argument make.

You can't read can you?
Its ok, I understand, many adults in america still cannot read properly, that's why there are programs tailored to their needs! Now you can learn to read with our instructors during the evenings while keeping your day job.

Be a functioning member of society today!

You straightophobe.

At 4/21/06 02:56 PM, -poxpower- wrote:

At 4/21/06 02:09 PM, Penal_Disturbance wrote: Please just stop talking. Appeal to Ridicule "OMG I'M A NAZI NOW LOL" does not an argument make.

You can't read can you?
Its ok, I understand, many adults in america still cannot read properly, that's why there are programs tailored to their needs! Now you can learn to read with our instructors during the evenings while keeping your day job.

Be a functioning member of society today!

You straightophobe.

I don't even live in america, you xenophobic moron, and you're one to talk since you couldn't even read the link I gave you.

Try going into a topic like this without acting like a total jerk if you actually want human beings to interact with you in a positive manner.

You're beautiful when you're angry, Penal.

KISS ME

At 4/21/06 01:48 PM, -poxpower- wrote:

At 4/21/06 01:20 PM, Penal_Disturbance wrote: So, in otherwords, you hate transsexuals based off almost nothing, and are now looking for things to back up your hatred

Penal, pox was simply responding to my comment that people never change there gender.
I said, "there aren't any men who want vaginas", to which pox said, "oh, yes there are, I can show you." He wasn't attacking men who felt femine or vice versa, he was pointing out that some men idolize female genitals, so much so that they attain them through surgery.

Well, modern science says it is. You can't just "disagree" without evidence at least as solid.

The problem, Penal, is that there isn't enough study to affirm or disavowel that a person's gender can be ambiguous. It may turn out that you're right. But this debate doesn't go farther back in time then say, a couple of decades, so it's impossible to make a dogmatic statement on it as of yet.

You calling it "crazy bullshit" doesn't stack up against it. If it's "crazy bullshit", you have to find something that proves your case.

You brought it up, Penal. The burden of proof would seem to be on you.
We're counting on you to bring us to the right way of thinking.

Imagine if you were treated as a freak, and felt completely alien in your own body. Imagine how hard it would be to keep a grip like that.

No one's denying it's a problem, not even pox, and pox makes a good point, being that transgendered people just want to be accepted as normal. He is pointing out that the more attention is focused on transgendered people, the more they will feel like freaks, even if that wasn't our intention.

Think of it this way, Penal. If, on a bright sunny day, you wanted to observe ants, you might use a magnifying glass. If, however, you focus the magnifying glass on the ants at a specific distance, you could wind up burning them, even if that wasn't you're intention.

Somebody should sig that. Naaaah, too long.

No one's denying it's a problem, not even pox, and pox makes a good point, being that transgendered people just want to be accepted as normal. He is pointing out that the more attention is focused on transgendered people, the more they will feel like freaks, even if that wasn't our intention.

Think of it this way, Penal. If, on a bright sunny day, you wanted to observe ants, you might use a magnifying glass. If, however, you focus the magnifying glass on the ants at a specific distance, you could wind up burning them, even if that wasn't you're intention.

That's rubbish, and that's not a theory, it's a fact. Why? What exposure do Transgenders get? Jerry Springer, South Park? Hardly positive is it? Is there any valid imagery, valid scientific notions in the mass media? No. There is almost no attention drawn towards the validity of transsexuality, and you want there to be even less? You're even worse than ML or whatever moron it was thinking that gays would be better served by "shutting the fuck up".

No one's denying it's a problem, not even pox, and pox makes a good point, being that transgendered people just want to be accepted as normal. He is pointing out that the more attention is focused on transgendered people, the more they will feel like freaks, even if that wasn't our intention.

Yes he fucking is denying it. And where has he made a good point?

"The author of the thread makes it sound like this is a SERIOUS problem that needs addressing and that society is evil and rejects men in dresses."

You're not understanding what he's saying at all. He's denying, nay *forcing* that transsexuality is bullshit with nothing to go on but his own prejudice.

Poxpower is bullshitting any statistics any research thrown his way and keeps demanding for "numbers", saying that it "smells" fake with absolutely no evidecne to the contrary, says people are making shit arguments when his whole argument is based on his own ignorance and lack of facts , and insisting that treatments that transsexuals themselves wish and feel they need to recieve are akin to the "treatment" of homosexuality.

At 4/22/06 12:05 PM, Penal_Disturbance wrote:

There is almost no attention drawn towards the validity of transsexuality, and you want there to be even less?

You don't watch Canadian Public Television, do you, Penal.

You're even worse than ML or whatever moron it was thinking that gays would be better served by "shutting the fuck up".

*sniff* Penal? *whimper* how could you*sob*

YOU HURT MY FEELINGS! TT_TT

You don't watch Canadian Public Television, do you, Penal.

No, since I don't live in Canada.

I think we're mainly focusing on the U.S. here since most other modern countries don't have as much a problem with it(except glorius conservative Ireland).

At 4/21/06 01:51 AM, useless_idiot wrote:

At 4/20/06 11:05 PM, Penal_Disturbance wrote: Also, like homosexuality, transsexuality occurs in nature. It is not a human phenomenon, it is just that we are the only ones that evolved a means to fix it, but unfortunately we also involved many reasons to make that fix even more urgent, and then continue to harass them even when they are "fixed".

I have never seen a monkey with high heals, a wig or long hair, a dress and a really weird deep voice

I'll assume you meant *male* monkey, and I'll point out that none of those things can be found on either female or male monkeys. Your attempt to be funny has not met with success.

At 4/22/06 12:05 PM, Penal_Disturbance wrote:

That's rubbish, and that's not a theory, it's a fact. Why? What exposure do Transgenders get? Jerry Springer, South Park? Hardly positive is it?

That's exactly my point, Penal. transgendered people are suffering from over-exposure, and that obviously makes them self-conscious. If I were a transgendered person, which I'm not, I would not want to be patronized and cried-over by a bunch of bleeding-hearts. That's not to say I'd want to be ignored when I'm abused or harassed by idiots, though. I would not, however, want to be portrayed as a helpless victim. That accomplishes nothing, other than giving the do-gooders who long for a source of pity an emotional orgasm.

Is there any valid imagery, valid scientific notions in the mass media? No.

There will be, Penal, but it will take much patience and forbearence.

There is almost no attention drawn towards the validity of transsexuality, and you want there to be even less?

I want equal protection and equal rights for homosexuals, transexuals, and transgendered people. I want a world where no one is victimized or threatened without provacation.

I also want transgendered people to feel good about themselves, and that's not going to happen if we as a society treat them like helpless victims who need to be coddled and smothered.

You're even worse than ML or whatever moron it was thinking that gays would be better served by "shutting the fuck up".

That's exactly my point, Penal. transgendered people are suffering from over-exposure,

That's absurd. How can you be so fucking stupid to think that? Jerry Springer transsexuals aren't real transsexuals at all and are hardly anything like a real transsexual. How is it over exposure if the only thing that's being overexposed is a ridiculous charicature?

Fine, save the guy who thinks he should have a cooch or the woman who wants a pecker. Just don't waste our tax dollars doing so.

At 4/22/06 04:06 PM, Penal_Disturbance wrote:

That's absurd. How can you be so fucking stupid to think that? Jerry Springer transsexuals aren't real transsexuals at all and are hardly anything like a real transsexual. How is it over exposure if the only thing that's being overexposed is a ridiculous charicature?

Hey how about they don't get any fucking exposure that way they can blend in to normal society and deal with thier "problem" by myself, thier plastic surgeons, pharmicist for getting estrogen and whatever the fuck else these little freaks want.

At 4/22/06 04:42 PM, YankeeFli wrote:

At 4/22/06 04:06 PM, Penal_Disturbance wrote:

That's absurd. How can you be so fucking stupid to think that? Jerry Springer transsexuals aren't real transsexuals at all and are hardly anything like a real transsexual. How is it over exposure if the only thing that's being overexposed is a ridiculous charicature?

Hey how about they don't get any fucking exposure that way they can blend in to normal society and deal with thier "problem" by myself, thier plastic surgeons, pharmicist for getting estrogen and whatever the fuck else these little freaks want.

When you typed "little freaks", did anything click in your mind to tell you "fucking hell I'm a horrible human being"? Because it really should have.

At 4/22/06 07:27 PM, Penal_Disturbance wrote:

When you typed "little freaks", did anything click in your mind to tell you "fucking hell I'm a horrible human being"? Because it really should have.

I can't believe how hypocritical you are.
But whatever, far be it for ME to tell you who and who not to call "horrible human beings" based on your lack of understanding of people's points.

Meanwhile keep ignoring all the point in my posts because I am evil and insulted you and your precious views on how horrible and evil everyone is for avoiding this issue that is so serious no one knows about it, according to you.

At 4/22/06 07:37 PM, -poxpower- wrote:

I can't believe how hypocritical you are.
But whatever, far be it for ME to tell you who and who not to call "horrible human beings" based on your lack of understanding of people's points.

What points!? There ARE no points, not on your side anyway. Just a whole load of shitty insults and the general "I AM ABOVE SCIENCE" nonsense you often get on messageboards.

Meanwhile keep ignoring all the point in my posts because I am evil and insulted you and your precious views on how horrible and evil everyone is for avoiding this issue that is so serious no one knows about it, according to you.

You came into this like a blithering idiot, without a clue what was going on but acting as if it was a whole load of old bollocks without giving a shit for anyone involved. Don't even try to play innocent.

At 4/22/06 07:56 PM, Penal_Disturbance wrote:
What points!? There ARE no points, not on your side anyway.

Yeah again, this is a classic. I insult someone and suddenly, all my points are void, even though other people in the same thread point out those exact points WHILE QUOTING MY NAME. Yeah but everyone is stupid according to you, since they didn't read you link. Which I quoted. But without reading I guess.

possibly, for the 10th time quoted by me from your link: "research is sparse".
SPARSE
SPAAAAAAAAAARSE

That means, stop acting like you know everything about this, NO ONE DOES.

At least I don't both insult AND ignore what you have to say, you baby. God.

At 4/22/06 07:27 PM, Penal_Disturbance wrote:

At 4/22/06 04:42 PM, YankeeFli wrote:

At 4/22/06 04:06 PM, Penal_Disturbance wrote:

When you typed "little freaks", did anything click in your mind to tell you "fucking hell I'm a horrible human being"? Because it really should have.

Why, they are freaks. Thier mutaliting thier bodies for thier little condition.

I can accept gays to a point. I feel that they have a slight mutation.

What these people are doing is freaky.
Instead of mearly accepting who they are and what they are, there mutilating and destroying what God hs given them because of thier problem.

That is a freak.

From a psychological standpoint, yes they do have it harder.

However they still make the choices to live that way. Everyone struggles to keep one centre of thought.

Bipolar disorders are prominent everywhere, even with me.

It's the choices we make in life that ultimately determine how happy or sad we are. Not our " Sexual disorders ".

At 4/22/06 08:24 PM, YankeeFli wrote: Why, they are freaks. Thier mutaliting thier bodies for thier little condition.

Are people born trans or is it caused by childhood trauma? Does it matter? No, what matters is that they are uncomfortable with their bodies and percieved roles in society. How does it hurt you if there are people who want to change their bodies and increase their self-esteem? How does it hurt you in ANY WAY if there are human beings who wish to take up a societal role they admire and come closer to happiness?

So as a transexual, I can tell you from first hand experience that it is NOT just a 'little condition'.

I can accept gays to a point. I feel that they have a slight mutation.

A mutation?

What these people are doing is freaky.
Instead of mearly accepting who they are and what they are, there mutilating and destroying what God hs given them because of thier problem.

Ah, God hates them.

Also: After skimming through this thread (and thinking of a few others), I just have to comment on Penal:

Penal, your heart is in the right place, but your arguing skills are bad. You can NOT win a point by resorting to cheap insults and ignoring valid points. And the hipocracy of it all when you jump on people for insulting you and disagreeing with you....