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At 1/26/03 06:45 PM, semaGdniM wrote: Do you think that kids are forced and worked to hard or put into many tough situations and commiting suicide as a result? And if so, what is your view on suicide and how could it be stopped?

I think the main cause of suicide is bullying or major things like rape/murder in the family. My view is that your life is your life and you may end it when and how you like, as long as you dont hurt anyone in the process.

At 1/26/03 06:45 PM, semaGdniM wrote: Do you think that kids are forced and worked to hard or put into many tough situations and commiting suicide as a result? And if so, what is your view on suicide and how could it be stopped?

no that isn't why, some people have bad lives and there's no way to cheer them up.

Legalize euthanasia!

HAR HAR HAR!!!

Anyway... it's all about depression. Most suicidal people don't really want to die.

They want to be saved.

it is not a cry for help it is a light at the end of the tunnel its the easy way out they expect something better what world are we living in where some people can see life as a gift in the suicide is no reward as an atheist i still wouldnt commit suicide i believe it is the ultimate sin if there are any that right is not your to choice when to leave this world...there is another topic in this forum about gays alot of suicides as i have stated are related to society views on homosexuality and the need for gay in the closet teens to escape and not deal with the cruel remarks of an uncaring world.

At 5/12/03 02:42 AM, TheShrike wrote: Legalize euthanasia!

HAR HAR HAR!!!

Anyway... it's all about depression. Most suicidal people don't really want to die.

They want to be saved.

that's true, only they believe there is no hope of that

personally i hold the belief, if u commit suicide i lose all respect for ya...

also, life hard... get used to it...

At 5/12/03 03:23 AM, karasz wrote: also, life hard... get used to it...

how about you don't dictate what the fuck i do

ur mad that im telling ya to get used to life cuz its hard...

well fine then dont get used to it, continue sitting in ur bathroom with a razor at wrists... i dont fuckin care... 1 less asshole i have to deal with on a daily basis...

At 5/12/03 03:39 AM, karasz wrote: ur mad that im telling ya to get used to life cuz its hard...

well fine then dont get used to it, continue sitting in ur bathroom with a razor at wrists... i dont fuckin care...

good we have an agreement then

At 5/12/03 06:28 AM, Anarchy_Balsac wrote: good we have an agreement then

Oh great one more story on CNN i'm going to have to listen too about some traumatized soul who society drove to take his own life.

Everything a person does is their own choice. You choose to take your life, fine then do it but don't force me too listen about how hard someone has it or how no one cares about them. Life is a forge, it bends it strengthens you and some it breaks. That's just the way it is. Do you get any reapect for suicide? Nope. Do you lose mine. Yep. Pick youself up and move the fuck on. Parts of life suck, it's part of how you know you're alive. I sure as hell know I wouldn't want to meet the person who'd never been hurt in their life.

no i'm not trying to force any shit on anyone, calm down. i just don't like when people say "get over it" when obviously not having been there they don't know shit. much as i want to i wouldn't kill myself because that's a garenteed trip to hell, so it wouldn't make things better. certainly if i was an atheist, but i'm not

At 5/12/03 05:40 PM, Anarchy_Balsac wrote: no i'm not trying to force any shit on anyone, calm down. i just don't like when people say "get over it" when obviously not having been there they don't know shit. much as i want to i wouldn't kill myself because that's a garenteed trip to hell, so it wouldn't make things better. certainly if i was an atheist, but i'm not

anarchy i am an atheist does that mean i would do it...it is an imortal sin and morally everyone knows how wrong it is some people just dont care not only atheist commit suicide...

if i were an athiest i would fear no hell and death would just end my suffering. i wouldn't be able to undo it, but wouldn't see a reason to want to either

At 5/13/03 06:47 AM, Anarchy_Balsac wrote: if i were an athiest i would fear no hell and death would just end my suffering. i wouldn't be able to undo it, but wouldn't see a reason to want to either

Man even as an atheist maybe you end your suffering, but what about everyone else. Everyone has friends or family or someone that is going to be hurt by your death. Trust me I know.
As far as getting used to life hurting that's the wrong damn attitude don't sit there and be fucking passive, do something. Yeah it will still hurt but at least fuck with life as badly as it fucks with you. When it's my turn to take the nap I want people to be able to say he kissed death on the lips and then kneed him in the balls, not that I gave up with a whimper but a roar. Don't you?

maybe it hurts my family and friends, but shit when i try to livin things up well i make things worse. there are ways to cheer me up and things i can do, but they don't do enough for me. as for how i'm remembered, it's no big deal as once i'm dead i won't care what anyone thinks. no one cares when they're dead because they can't

At 5/14/03 12:33 AM, Anarchy_Balsac wrote: maybe it hurts my family and friends, but shit when i try to livin things up well i make things worse. there are ways to cheer me up and things i can do, but they don't do enough for me. as for how i'm remembered, it's no big deal as once i'm dead i won't care what anyone thinks. no one cares when they're dead because they can't

Ive only known two people who have committed suicide. One was my grandfather. He was cheap. I get that from him. He found out he had an inoperable brain tumor and decided a shotgun shell was cheaper than a slow painful death. He killed himself to save the family from going bankrupt on his medical bills. I respect him.

The other doesnt even deserve to be in the same paragraph as my grandfather. He was a worthless con artist who blamed all his problems on vietnam. He adopted retarded children for extra welfare money. He was constantly bouncing from one government aid program to another in hopes of a free ride. His sins finally caught up with him, and he put a bullet in his head.

Which one are you, Anarchy_Balsac?

At 5/14/03 12:33 AM, Anarchy_Balsac wrote: maybe it hurts my family and friends, but shit when i try to livin things up well i make things worse. there are ways to cheer me up and things i can do, but they don't do enough for me. as for how i'm remembered, it's no big deal as once i'm dead i won't care what anyone thinks. no one cares when they're dead because they can't.

Anarchy how can you say you wont care when your dead has someone you known told you what awaits you in the after life taking your life would only lead to a tortured soul living a eternal life of repent...or it can all be fine but do you really wan to take that chance even if you were atheist its really not about any religion but a high sense of morality...shih what your grandpa did was noble in no way cowardly.

Here's a delightful idea: Follow your leader...that is follow the once powerful german leader...put a bullet in your head! You are all dead anyways.

I really have no opinion on this. If people kill themselves it's because they don't have the moral endurance that life requires. I say "Let them do it!" Folks, if these people don't want to live, that's their decision. NOT OURS! This is a way of eliminating the weak and unneccesary, in fact it is the best way!

~Jeff

My dad commited suicide and I think he´s a coward. Leaving two kids behind.

That is unfortunate that your dad killed himself, yet until you enter the mind of the extremely depressed, you can't understand where they are coming from. I have been there, thinking that all hope was lost. It is a horrible feeling, and for them, the only help and salvation is suicide, or at least contemplating about it. So, in conclusion, yes, I do say that those who commit suicide are kinda weak, yet I do pity them that they could not find the help to bring them back out of their own despair and misery.

At 5/14/03 12:33 AM, Anarchy_Balsac wrote: maybe it hurts my family and friends, but shit when i try to livin things up well i make things worse. there are ways to cheer me up and things i can do, but they don't do enough for me. as for how i'm remembered, it's no big deal as once i'm dead i won't care what anyone thinks. no one cares when they're dead because they can't

Man Anarchy think about someone else. Your friends and loved don't care if you can liven things up. That's not what those things are about.
And if your life hurts that much get help, there's counseling, doctors, and support groups. Remember if your life sucks this much right now do something about it. You're still young go out and do something. And no lines about how that doesn't work 'cause thats bullshit and you know it. You're not that dumb. Like I said don't just let life happen to you make it bend to your will.
As far as how you're remembered, well if you don't care about that fine. Just keep in mind that something as serious as suicide doesn't just affect you but everyone you know. How many others are you willing to hurt by throwing away a life? You will hurt others if you end your life and you know it.

Yeah, when you are dead, you are dead. That's it. There is no turning back at that point. Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. Yeah life sucks most of the damned time, but yes, remember your family and friends...why make them suffer? But hell, who am I...if you really want to do it...get it over with.

Despite how much the church and parents' groups try to convince teenagers, suicide is always going to be a problem. It's been a problem since the beginning, and it is just one more thing about being human. Yes, we could go a little further in not romanticizing suicide, but that's not going to make it magically go away, either.

I'm just glad I'm from the U.S. The average suicide rate in Japan for teenagers is what...last time I checked somewhere about half, maybe 65 - 70%? Of course, that's been blamed on how much the work and go to school, but that's still obscenely high.

At 5/14/03 10:34 AM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote: Despite how much the church and parents' groups try to convince teenagers, suicide is always going to be a problem. It's been a problem since the beginning, and it is just one more thing about being human. Yes, we could go a little further in not romanticizing suicide, but that's not going to make it magically go away, either.

I'm just glad I'm from the U.S. The average suicide rate in Japan for teenagers is what...last time I checked somewhere about half, maybe 65 - 70%? Of course, that's been blamed on how much the work and go to school, but that's still obscenely high.

Your right Judge suicide won't be going away any time too soon some blades always break during the forging. Doesn't mean we shouldn't try and stop it from happening though.

We should try to help those who are suffering...yet sometimes, they are unnreachable, so we must cut the slack, and move on...sometimes the best person to take care of is ourselves.

At 5/14/03 10:34 AM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote: The average suicide rate in Japan for teenagers is what...last time I checked somewhere about half, maybe 65 - 70%?

One minuite Judge. That's only 4 in ten teenagers that get through to 20 without killing themselves. Are you sure you got that right?

At 5/14/03 12:24 PM, bumcheekcity wrote:

At 5/14/03 10:34 AM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote: The average suicide rate in Japan for teenagers is what...last time I checked somewhere about half, maybe 65 - 70%?

One minuite Judge. That's only 4 in ten teenagers that get through to 20 without killing themselves. Are you sure you got that right?

I think he may be a little high too, but the numbers are staggering I've seen them before and while I can't remember the statistics exactly they were frightening.

Imagine that, people would want to kill themselves...Shit, I would kill myself if I lived in Japan too. I don't blame them.

At 5/14/03 11:19 AM, cannibal7878 wrote: We should try to help those who are suffering...yet sometimes, they are unnreachable, so we must cut the slack, and move on...sometimes the best person to take care of is ourselves.

Wrong Cannibal. Every life matters, every life should be preserved, Just because a battle can't be won doesn't mean it shouldn't be fought.