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At 4/13/06 06:57 PM, Begoner wrote: (well, he was a drop-out, but still).

He didn't drop out because he couldn't hack it, he dropped out to pursue his business plan, which, apparently, paid off in spades.

He dropped out of Harvard. And getting in is hard as hell, he would have graduated, obviously. But his decision to drop out made him $$$. Worthwhile, for certain. If I were in his place, I'd go back to school. But considering the fact that he's made so much money that he's written the book on business...

At 4/13/06 02:53 PM, GSgt_Liberal wrote: Yes, college professors tend to be liberals. But why? Is it because of their education or is it due to their values?

It's due to the greater tendency for liberal governments to give out grant money.

My spanish teacher was a hardcore conservative that was transfixed with happenings in the middle-east. While my AP government teacher couldn't stand the sight of G.W. I never really minded when they talked politics, and I really can't see why other people do.

Going by the voting statistics in the United States, they ain't doing much guys. If anything they'll hopefully get students to give a shit about an otherwise neglected system.

What's so wrong with teacher bias? They're humans, you're all grown ups, unless you're brain-dead lampreys you know not to be coerced by someone else. They're not putting a gun to your head and telling you how to vote.

At 4/13/06 06:33 PM, D2KVirus wrote: Four words for you - London Borough of Croydon.

Use urbandictionary.com.

No offense intended, but NYC has more sheeple, hoplophobes, left-wing snobs, and animal-rights extremists who'd rather spend $3,000 on a new outfit for Fluffy, than $3 for a couple of cheeseburgers at McDonalds for a Homeless man! ......... You might have the same types of liberals there, but NYC is flooded with them! (Trust me, I wish it wasn't the case. I'd love for you to be 100% right).

What's so wrong with teacher bias?

It's wrong because your tax money goes to funding schools. Assume that all teachers were of one political ideology. That would mean that your tax money was going to indoctrinate your child with a certain political ideology. That is, you're paying the government to tell your child how to vote. I have no problem with teacher bias in private schools, but schools that receive public funding should be expected to teach children facts and both sides of a reasonable debate, not a slanted view.

At 4/13/06 08:02 PM, Elfer wrote:

It's due to the greater tendency for liberal governments to give out grant money.

So you're saying that liberal governments support research, innovation and science moreso than conservative governments? If so, then I agree 100%.

At 4/13/06 09:28 PM, Monocrom wrote:

:extremists who'd rather spend $3,000 on a new outfit for Fluffy

God, I wish.

Yeah I heard that college professors were a bit biased. I wouldnt have a problem with the teacher stating and defending their point of view as long a they dont affect my grade for not having the same stance as them.I have heard from many people that this does happen though so what I was thinking was that just for survivals sake, I turn into a hippie just till I graduate.

At 4/14/06 01:53 AM, SkunkyFluffy wrote:

At 4/13/06 09:28 PM, Monocrom wrote: extremists who'd rather spend $3,000 on a new outfit for Fluffy

God, I wish.

Screw it! ......... I don't care if you use my post to make a joke based off of your user name. Just as long as you understand the point I was trying to make........ I'm so f**k**g sick & tired of other NG users misinterpreting my posts!

If by the time you're in college you are still letting other people tell you what to think, and feel some comment by a professor is INDOCTRINATING you, perhaps your mind hasn't reached the level where it learns not to be taken in by the first thing someone says.

At 4/13/06 06:45 PM, GSgt_Liberal wrote: Oh? So you're saying that Bill Gates is a moron? He's a Democrat, just like Stephanopoulos.

You mean Gates, the guy who treated his employees like shit, and was a virtual slave driver? The guy who used unethical business practices and turned on his friend, stealing some of Apple's tech? We're holding him up as the bastion of liberalism now?

At 4/13/06 08:42 PM, JMHX wrote: What's so wrong with teacher bias? They're humans, you're all grown ups, unless you're brain-dead lampreys you know not to be coerced by someone else. They're not putting a gun to your head and telling you how to vote.

Yea, because everybody in school from the age of 8 starts picking up the morning paper doing hours of research and THEN going to class. Indoctrinization doesn't start senior year of college. Hell, in a lot of cases it starts as early as middle school. When you go into class, it is with the certain understanding that your teacher knows more than you (in most cases), otherwise, why do you need to take the class? Hell, I can't count how many times my 8th grade teacher told us that OJ was being targeted cause he was black. And don't tell me 8th graders know better.

At 4/13/06 09:29 PM, Begoner wrote:

What's so wrong with teacher bias?

It's wrong because your tax money goes to funding schools. Assume that all teachers were of one political ideology. That would mean that your tax money was going to indoctrinate your child with a certain political ideology. That is, you're paying the government to tell your child how to vote. I have no problem with teacher bias in private schools, but schools that receive public funding should be expected to teach children facts and both sides of a reasonable debate, not a slanted view.

We agree for once, I'm stunned.

At 4/14/06 03:12 AM, Monocrom wrote: Screw it! ......... I don't care if you use my post to make a joke based off of your user name. Just as long as you understand the point I was trying to make........ I'm so f**k**g sick & tired of other NG users misinterpreting my posts!

Don't be so sensitive. I got your point.

Perhaps we should herd all those people into New York and then wall it off. Only Kurt Russell would be able to escape.

By the way, forgive me for all the cracks at liberals. Normally I don't do this, but it gets to you when you're in a college that constantly pushes their agenda on you and criticizes everything you stand for.

Try U of M, same spin, much larger student and faculty population. And why are you taking it so personally? College is about being open to other people's viewpoints.

I am in college now, I got more three more years to go.

Oh, you're a freshman, that's why........

My sociology teacher preaches her nonsense all the time, constantly talking about how the evil white men are hurting all the minorities.

What is the topic of this sociology class?

At 4/14/06 03:33 AM, SkunkyFluffy wrote:

Perhaps we should herd all those people into New York and then wall it off. Only Kurt Russell would be able to escape.

LOL .......... Actually, not a bad idea!

At 4/13/06 03:32 AM, Redbob86 wrote:

:...smug brainwashing professors...

Nothing gets on my nerves worse than these asses. The ones I've come in contact with weren't above wasting three-quarters of class time on historical footnotes with liberal slants. People didn't pay tuition to learn a professor's opinions on the similarities between the Harding administration and the Bush administration. This is along the lines of teaching Creationism in a science class. I want the facts , not opinion.

At 4/13/06 02:11 AM, Redbob86 wrote: We are now on the most PC chapter in the book, "Racism and Prejudice". Even the notes I have to take are biased. I'll give you an example:

How far into the book are you? We had to read that in my regents class...

At 4/13/06 02:15 AM, sdhonda wrote: But ya, the levels of PC in the states is quite disturbing (not just the kind where your just being polite, but where you get sent to a "tolerance camp" (lolz southpark)).

Oh, it's not just in the United States of America.

The situation is much the same over here and again, it is especially evident amoungst Social Science teachers.

I find it bizarre that we are expected to write about parts of social theory that have been disproved (e.g. Engels' theory on early society (based on pseudo-history), Marxist theory on how power is structured (disproven by the very existence of lower class people getting into power without the revolution (like Hitler)) and leftist theory on education (which cannot explain differences in educaitonal attainment across racial groups).

What is it that makes communist theory worth studying and feminist theory worth studying, yet nazi theory not worth studying? They are equally as hateful and incorrect.

My teachers were fiercly unnational. My sociology teacher tried her best to persuade me not to join the armed forces and she went on strike when she was a nurse.

At 8/19/06 08:04 AM, ZeroAsALimit wrote:

At 4/13/06 02:15 AM, sdhonda wrote:

My teachers were fiercly unnational. My sociology teacher tried her best to persuade me not to join the armed forces and she went on strike when she was a nurse.

Yes, that's what we need - more teachers who are allies of the Party!

At 4/13/06 04:27 PM, SevenSeize wrote: My university is extremely left wing. I support everyone having free speech but like someone said earlier, it kinda gets on your nerves having petitions shoved in your face all the time. And in my speech class, we were discussing Cindy Sheehan and to make a long story short, I let it be know that she gets on my nerves. So my car got keyed. REAL mature people at my university....

You should complain about that to administration, say that your school is politically intollerant and as a result your private property was damaged.

At 4/13/06 08:42 PM, Der_Pandar wrote: What's so wrong with teacher bias? They're humans, you're all grown ups, unless you're brain-dead lampreys you know not to be coerced by someone else. They're not putting a gun to your head and telling you how to vote.

How about when they start basing your grade on their bias, suppose they start teaching you opinions because they are in the position to do so. Teacher's being biased is ok, but classroom bias is a huge problem.

There is a wide gulf between teacher and class bias that I don't think is being properly recognized here. A teacher can have all the bias in the world and still not be punitive towards students for posing different positions and alternative thought. The solution to that is simply independent thought. Classroom bias is trickier, and I can honestly say I've yet to encounter any real form of classroom bias, and am in my Junior year of college. Unless they're holding out until Senior year, I would really have nothing to base off of.

Newsflash: Everyone is biased. If you don't like left-bias, you should've found a nice right-wing school that'll teach you about the evils of abortion and teh ebil ghey (Homophobia 101: How not to catch TEH GHEY!!!).

Your professors have the freedom of speech. Your classmates have the freedom of speech. Suck it up, or move to a country that will shoot anyone who disagrees with the government (just make sure you agree with the government!).

One would hope by college that a student would know better than to accept as gospel anything anyone says without research. Of course, if you're looking for a good lock-step Republican college, there is always Washington and Lee.

At 8/19/06 03:28 PM, Der_Pandar wrote: One would hope by college that a student would know better than to accept as gospel anything anyone says without research. Of course, if you're looking for a good lock-step Republican college, there is always Washington and Lee.

Key word: Hope.

I think in Minnesota a bill was drafted to keep college professors from talking about politics in the classroom. Or maybe it forbade talking about anything other than what the class was about (like, you can only talk about German-related things in German classes). In any case, it was to protect the poor little Republican drones from having years of brainwashing erased.

I think that what really outrages these parents is that another opinion is being presented.

Oh, no! God forbid some spontaneous discussion develops that challenges today's youth to actually formulate an independent thought or rebuttal. God forbid colleges challenge students to think on the political or sociological aspects of a class. God forbid that a class about 19th Century Art sparks a discussion about the politics of nations that led painters to create as they did, and how that is similar or different from the politics of today, in which the teacher may actually have a coherent thought to express that may challenge a student to ponder outside his or her comfort zone. God forbid college be collegiate. But I have a plan.

My current college tuition is $24,000 per year. Instead of wasting my time going to college in a system where independent discussion is condemned by the SAME people who condemn political correctness as muffling true education, I ought to send in three years of tuition and receive a diploma in the mail in my chosen subject, along with a series of major-specific books to read over the next few years in order to get the educational equivalent of a three-year college program. That way my mind won't be challenged by any unwelcome thoughts from people who might hold *gasp* diverse viewpoints, and I can read Catcher in the Rye until I gag.

Thank God for AP Credits, or I may have had to suffer FOUR years of thinking.

There is too much bias in middle school too. Teachers are usually looked up to by their students, they are role models and can deeply affect a young childs thought process. They are making it hard for right wing people like me to exist in public schools. Now Im not ultra- right wing, i support abortion in some cases, and believe stem cell reasearch should be allowed. But even i feel that teachers openly opposing republican candidates before a school election, ( where students choose who they feel should be govenrer/ president, etc.). Also one student in our school got expelled for using the N-word against a student who had jumped him. Now I am not saying that it was right to use this word, but in your oppinion , which action do you believe is worse, beating up a student, or using a word that even though it is innopropriate and sometimes hateful, is often thrown around by the very demographic offended by the word?

At 8/20/06 11:40 PM, mattfreidelsoad wrote: There is too much bias in middle school too. Teachers are usually looked up to by their students, they are role models and can deeply affect a young childs thought process. They are making it hard for right wing people like me to exist in public schools. Now Im not ultra- right wing, i support abortion in some cases, and believe stem cell reasearch should be allowed. But even i feel that teachers openly opposing republican candidates before a school election, ( where students choose who they feel should be govenrer/ president, etc.). Also one student in our school got expelled for using the N-word against a student who had jumped him. Now I am not saying that it was right to use this word, but in your oppinion , which action do you believe is worse, beating up a student, or using a word that even though it is innopropriate and sometimes hateful, is often thrown around by the very demographic offended by the word?

Oh, boo hoo. You should look at some of your text books (especially for health!). I think you'd be pleasantly surprised.

Anyone who thinks that the left wing has soooooo much power needs to look at the people who have the REAL power: the government, and probably those big ass corperations.

Ha. If opposing affirmitive action makes someone racist, then I'm up there with David Duke, and proud of it.