Integration (not in maths) muslims!

[Alphabit]

Lol, no, i wasn't refering to mathematical integration.
I am talking about muslims, but this time, i will sit on the fence (ouch).

Do you live in a modern nation (USA, France, England, Australia, Norway, Germany, Japan etc...), well have you ever encoutered a muslim in the city?? Trust me if you saw one you would know! And why? Well... they are wearing veils and shadors (you can't miss them)!

I mean, certainly i don't have anything against that, people should be allowed to wear what they like. But in another way, i find it a symbol that Muslims don't integrate/become a part of modern societies.
I live in Australia, and we see a few muslims from time to time.

I think, that as a way to be polite, muslims should remove their viels.
I mean, i can understand if they have a religion that tells them to wear the viel... but then again, i've heard of many muslims who do not wear one.

I believe that if muslims come to a European-based society, they should try their best to be a part of that society.

That being said, I also think that European or American Women should wear the viel while visiting Afghanistan/Iraq, just as a sign or respect we have for their culture.

I really can't stand seeing those ladies on TV wearing miniskirts in indonesia (the world's biggest muslim nation).

Basically, i wish that all the nations could adapt to each other's cultures as a sign of respect. It is RUDE to consider yourself "SUPERIOR" to another race by singleing yourself out from the others. I mean, when we look at a muslim wearing a viel, you probably won't be thinking about what i've just said, but if you were that muslim, you would see yourself as the ONE WHO'S ON THE RIGHT PATH (to heaven), and all the others might be nice, but they're ALL GOING TO HELL!

[SolInvictus]

...right, because i don't want to dress like someone i'm not integrating into their society, nicely done flashthinker; you're an idiot!

[SolInvictus]

and enough with your anti-Muslim posts already, we get it, you're racist.

[altanese-mistress]

At 4/12/06 09:33 PM, Flashthinker wrote: Lol, no, i wasn't refering to mathematical integration.
I am talking about muslims, but this time, i will sit on the fence (ouch).

Do you live in a modern nation (USA, France, England, Australia, Norway, Germany, Japan etc...), well have you ever encoutered a muslim in the city?? Trust me if you saw one you would know! And why? Well... they are wearing veils and shadors (you can't miss them)!

No they aren't all wearing turbons and veils.

I mean, certainly i don't have anything against that, people should be allowed to wear what they like. But in another way, i find it a symbol that Muslims don't integrate/become a part of modern societies.
I live in Australia, and we see a few muslims from time to time.

So you're saying they should give up certain parts of their culture and replace them with Western culture.

I think, that as a way to be polite, muslims should remove their viels.
I mean, i can understand if they have a religion that tells them to wear the viel... but then again, i've heard of many muslims who do not wear one.

There are different sects of Islam; Muslim, Shi'ite, Sunni, etc. and they have somewhat different beliefs and practices.

I believe that if muslims come to a European-based society, they should try their best to be a part of that society.

And if someone living in a 'European-based society' were to try and convert to an Islamic faith?

That being said, I also think that European or American Women should wear the viel while visiting Afghanistan/Iraq, just as a sign or respect we have for their culture.

And Jews should eat pork while in Germany, and Bhuddists should go hunting while in America.....

I really can't stand seeing those ladies on TV wearing miniskirts in indonesia (the world's biggest muslim nation).

Worlds biggest Muslim nation?
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Basically, i wish that all the nations could adapt to each other's cultures as a sign of respect.

And perhaps it is an insult to some cultures, because many customs and practices would clash seeing as how vastly different cultures around the world are.

It is RUDE to consider yourself "SUPERIOR" to another race by singleing yourself out from the others.

1) No one is saying they're superior just because they choose not to do something just because the rest of society does it.
2) Race and culture are different. They inter-twin many times, but are not one-in-the-same/

I mean, when we look at a muslim wearing a viel, you probably won't be thinking about what i've just said, but if you were that muslim, you would see yourself as the ONE WHO'S ON THE RIGHT PATH (to heaven), and all the others might be nice, but they're ALL GOING TO HELL!

And you can't say that about anyone else in the world?

A quick note: Most Islamic faiths believe that you are only condemed to Hell as long as it takes to wash away your sins, then you may enter paradise.

[altanese-mistress]

Hrm, maybe this will work.

[TheShrike]

At 4/12/06 09:33 PM, Flashthinker wrote: I mean, certainly i don't have anything against that, people should be allowed to wear what they like.

You're contradicting yourself. If there's no problem with it, then why bitch and moan about it?

I think, that as a way to be polite, muslims should remove their viels.

I believe that if muslims come to a European-based society, they should try their best to be a part of that society.

That being said, I also think that European or American Women should wear the viel while visiting Afghanistan/Iraq, just as a sign or respect we have for their culture.

I really can't stand seeing those ladies on TV wearing miniskirts in indonesia (the world's biggest muslim nation).

And, to be polite, Americans should walk around with face paint and loincloths. The muslims too. Heck, even you Aussies, while we're at it.

[MoralLibertarian]

At 4/12/06 09:45 PM, shi_huangdi wrote: and enough with your anti-Muslim posts already, we get it, you're racist.

Islam's not a race.

[TurnipClock]

At 4/12/06 09:45 PM, shi_huangdi wrote: and enough with your anti-Muslim posts already, we get it, you're racist.

A Muslim isn't an ethnicity or race.

[bakem0n0]

At 4/12/06 09:33 PM, Flashthinker wrote: Lol, no, i wasn't refering to mathematical integration.
I am talking about muslims, but this time, i will sit on the fence (ouch).

Oh, the wit! Lolzzors!!!!1!!!1!!one!!!
(sorry, but that was low hanging fruit . . .)

Do you live in a modern nation (USA, France, England, Australia, Norway, Germany, Japan etc...), well have you ever encoutered a muslim in the city?? Trust me if you saw one you would know! And why? Well... they are wearing veils and shadors (you can't miss them)!

I mean, certainly i don't have anything against that, people should be allowed to wear what they like. But in another way, i find it a symbol that Muslims don't integrate/become a part of modern societies.
I live in Australia, and we see a few muslims from time to time.

I think, that as a way to be polite, muslims should remove their viels.
I mean, i can understand if they have a religion that tells them to wear the viel... but then again, i've heard of many muslims who do not wear one.

I believe that if muslims come to a European-based society, they should try their best to be a part of that society.

Perhaps it's because I attend Purdue, which has the largest international population of any American college (if only the rest of Indiana weren't so xenophobic . . .), but I see plenty of Muslims everyday, and many do indeed wear their veils, chador, or turbons. I don't see this as resistance to integrate, nor as a resistance to our culture. They simply have grown accustomed to that style and prefer it to our dress.
But they are actually a minority. Most of the muslims I know dress just like any American. Is this because they have "integrated?" Not neccesarily. One Indian girl I know explains it simply: "Do you know how much more work I'd have to do to hunt down somewhere to buy a chador? Besides, Wal-Mart is so much cheaper." She does occasionally wear her chador, but I'd say she's as American as anyone.

That being said, I also think that European or American Women should wear the viel while visiting Afghanistan/Iraq, just as a sign or respect we have for their culture.

I really can't stand seeing those ladies on TV wearing miniskirts in indonesia (the world's biggest muslim nation).

Basically, i wish that all the nations could adapt to each other's cultures as a sign of respect. It is RUDE to consider yourself "SUPERIOR" to another race by singleing yourself out from the others. I mean, when we look at a muslim wearing a viel, you probably won't be thinking about what i've just said, but if you were that muslim, you would see yourself as the ONE WHO'S ON THE RIGHT PATH (to heaven), and all the others might be nice, but they're ALL GOING TO HELL!

You know, I have never been told by a muslim that I'm going to hell, which is more than I can say for our culture.
I think that modelling ourselves to fit other cultures simply isn't neccesary -- not to say that we should avoid taking any part of their culture -- but that trying to complete assimilate it is almost a mockery. Probably the best explanation of what I mean is this: Have you ever seen a white teenager try to act like a black rapper? It just doesn't work, he ends up more insulting than complementry.

Bottom line: a little tolerence would solve the entire issue.

[Dracul3S]

I've seen plenty of muslims in Stuttgart, where I was born. All were wearing quite normal stuff except for some weidos. No difference to any other religious group...

[SolInvictus]

At 4/12/06 10:53 PM, MoralLibertarian wrote:

At 4/12/06 09:45 PM, shi_huangdi wrote: and enough with your anti-Muslim posts already, we get it, you're racist.

Islam's not a race.

point taken, but hate for other religions or beliefs usually ends up being called racism, and most people who hate certain religions hate certain races (so i did a little assuming) plus i think he was working with some generalization about Arabs so i think it makes sense in the end.

[2good2b4goten]

I also live in Australia, I see muslims from time to time. Australia is a wonderful country which accepts people for who they are. We, honestly do not have a religous dresscode, we wear what we want. If a muslim choses to come over here and adapt to our lifestyles in that case they can wear what they want. They may be in our country, but they dont have to change their own religon.

[TurnipClock]

At 4/13/06 08:11 AM, shi_huangdi wrote: point taken, but hate for other religions or beliefs usually ends up being called racism,

It doesn't matter what some idiot such as yourself calls it, it is not racism.

[bakem0n0]

At 4/14/06 08:42 AM, TurnipClock wrote:

At 4/13/06 08:11 AM, shi_huangdi wrote: point taken, but hate for other religions or beliefs usually ends up being called racism,

It doesn't matter what some idiot such as yourself calls it, it is not racism.

On the one hand, Islam clearly isn't a race, but on the other, there is no equivilent term for religions, so lay off the guy . . . it's still prejudice, no matter the label.

[SolInvictus]

At 4/14/06 08:42 AM, TurnipClock wrote:

At 4/13/06 08:11 AM, shi_huangdi wrote: point taken, but hate for other religions or beliefs usually ends up being called racism,

It doesn't matter what some idiot such as yourself calls it, it is not racism.

well thank you for being a pompous asshole. i really appreciate being insulted by someone i said nothing against.

[TurnipClock]

At 4/14/06 08:45 AM, bakem0n0 wrote

On the one hand, Islam clearly isn't a race, but on the other, there is no equivilent term for religions, so lay off the guy . . . it's still prejudice, no matter the label.

I'm not saying it isn't discrimination, I'm saying it isn't racism and it pisses me off when people always go on about racism when someone says they don't like Muslims.

At 4/14/06 01:36 PM, shi_huangdi wrote: well thank you for being a pompous asshole. i really appreciate being insulted by someone i said nothing against.

Your quite welcome. Hopefully next time you'll get your head out of your ass and not be such a retard.

[x-Toadenalin-x]

At 4/17/06 04:41 AM, TurnipClock wrote: I'm not saying it isn't discrimination, I'm saying it isn't racism and it pisses me off when people always go on about racism when someone says they don't like Muslims.

TurnipClock, everyone knew what he was trying to say, you're just being very anal about the definition of racism. What would you call it if not racism?

[SolInvictus]

well while we're bitching about the strict definition of things why don't i start pissing on people for referring to people who hate Jews as anti-semites (yes i've probably mentioned this before). you might be asking how that works; its fairly simple actually, though anti-semitism has come to mean hate against Jews it technically means hate towards people of semetic heritage ie: all people from the Middle-East. so in that case it would be as inappropriate to call some one an anti-semite if he hates Jews since Jews aren't a race and you have Jews of other races.

[Pyroskiros]

At 4/12/06 09:33 PM, Flashthinker wrote: Lol, no, i wasn't refering to mathematical integration.
I am talking about muslims, but this time, i will sit on the fence (ouch).

Do you live in a modern nation (USA, France, England, Australia, Norway, Germany, Japan etc...), well have you ever encoutered a muslim in the city?? Trust me if you saw one you would know! And why? Well... they are wearing veils and shadors (you can't miss them)!

I mean, certainly i don't have anything against that, people should be allowed to wear what they like. But in another way, i find it a symbol that Muslims don't integrate/become a part of modern societies.
I live in Australia, and we see a few muslims from time to time.

I think, that as a way to be polite, muslims should remove their viels.
I mean, i can understand if they have a religion that tells them to wear the viel... but then again, i've heard of many muslims who do not wear one.

I believe that if muslims come to a European-based society, they should try their best to be a part of that society.

That being said, I also think that European or American Women should wear the viel while visiting Afghanistan/Iraq, just as a sign or respect we have for their culture.

I really can't stand seeing those ladies on TV wearing miniskirts in indonesia (the world's biggest muslim nation).

Basically, i wish that all the nations could adapt to each other's cultures as a sign of respect. It is RUDE to consider yourself "SUPERIOR" to another race by singleing yourself out from the others. I mean, when we look at a muslim wearing a viel, you probably won't be thinking about what i've just said, but if you were that muslim, you would see yourself as the ONE WHO'S ON THE RIGHT PATH (to heaven), and all the others might be nice, but they're ALL GOING TO HELL!

First and foremost of all, each one of us are entitled to live within the culture and
lifestyle of our own choice; thus, it is RUDE to demande someone to do things
YOUR way. You wear what you want, and other people wear what they want.
You have your own rights, and so do they who choose a different style.
"Heal thy illness first, doctor!" --- The Christian Bible.

[Googolplex]

At 4/12/06 09:33 PM, Flashthinker wrote:

Basically, i wish that all the nations could adapt to each other's cultures as a sign of respect. It is RUDE to consider yourself "SUPERIOR" to another race by singleing yourself out from the others. I mean, when we look at a muslim wearing a viel, you probably won't be thinking about what i've just said, but if you were that muslim, you would see yourself as the ONE WHO'S ON THE RIGHT PATH (to heaven), and all the others might be nice, but they're ALL GOING TO HELL!

So what you are saying is by wearing something different to another person you think you are morally superiour? Bullshit and if everyone intergrated then more people would start hating each other.

[GunCrave]

Hold the fucking phone. I thought wearing a turban was a Shikh custom, not necessarily islamic.

[TurnipClock]

At 4/17/06 05:57 AM, x_Toadenalin_x wrote:

At 4/17/06 04:41 AM, TurnipClock wrote: I'm not saying it isn't discrimination, I'm saying it isn't racism and it pisses me off when people always go on about racism when someone says they don't like Muslims.

TurnipClock, everyone knew what he was trying to say, you're just being very anal about the definition of racism. What would you call it if not racism?

I would just call it discrimination. You're just as fucking retarded as he is, a religion is NOT a race, ie. it has nothing to fucking do with race.

[SolInvictus]

it has about as much to do with race as anti-semitism (technically) has to do with religion, scroll up and see how that works.

[Cuppa-LettuceNog]

You're a fucking idiot. I find it funny that you want people from the middle east to disband their religion and remove sacred dressing items, yet you don't care about people from isreal wearing Yamacas (can someone please tell me the correct way of spelling it?)

[peedee]

I really don't see whats wrong with it. When the RCMP changed it's uniform, that was different. It took something that was Canadian away. People wearing what they believe in is no problem. It's like an American wearing a cross. No biggie.

[psycho-squirrel2]

well first it would be best to understand why they wear those stuff before jumping out and saying "take your stuff off please"

it has something to do with hair being sacred.

if you have a problem with them wearing all that stuff, the easiest and best thing to do is to....ignor it.

what is so bad about people bringing their culture to your country? much of our things and ways were created by diffrent cultures interacting.

[TurnipClock]

At 4/20/06 10:02 PM, shi_huangdi wrote: it has about as much to do with race as anti-semitism (technically) has to do with religion, scroll up and see how that works.

Most Jews have some part semitic ethnicity, but there are arab, black, white, asian etc... Muslims.

[42omle]

At 4/12/06 09:33 PM, Flashthinker wrote: Basically, i wish that all the nations could adapt to each other's cultures as a sign of respect. It is RUDE to consider yourself "SUPERIOR" to another race by singleing yourself out from the others.

In America, that is what happened before schools started teaching "cultural tolerance".

Nowadays, Children are made to read stories in school about every single culture imaginable. Trust me, I HAD TO GO THROUGH IT!!!

It used to be that when you moved to America, you tried to speak our language, you wore our clothes, and you (generally) went to our churches. Not so anymore.

Immigrants are told to "preserve their heritage".

Fine by me. But make sure that while you're preserving your own culture, you adopt at least a little of ours.

LEARN TO SPEAK AND READ ENGLISH!!!

P.S. I am NOT a racist. I'm cool with other cultures, so long as they're cool with me.

[jihadthisfilth]

At 4/12/06 10:53 PM, MoralLibertarian wrote:

At 4/12/06 09:45 PM, shi_huangdi wrote: and enough with your anti-Muslim posts already, we get it, you're racist.

Islam's not a race.

The word racist can be applied to someone who is prejudiced againt a certain race or religion.

[smith916]

It's part of the muslim religon to wear what they are wearing. They generally dont do what they do to draw attention to themselfs, or to protest the nation, they do it because the koran tells them so.