At 8/30/06 10:41 AM, -Nev- wrote:
a lot of stuff
Ur making a lot of good points and i salute you for it, but i still dissagree on a few things.
:The Virtous Mission part
I don't see why the second part should even have happened if something haden't gone wrong. I mean having the whole virtous mission and davy crocket thing staged seemes like a very roundabout and ineffectiant way of just getting the legacy. Wouldn't it just have been easier if the boss and ocelot worked together to get the legacy without snakes involvement? u say the first part was to make snake want to fight the boss, but there was no reason to fight the boss at all before the davy crockett incident. and to say that was planed is to say that america is creating it's own problems on purpose just to fix them.
Lyndon Banes Johnson, Krustchef, the boss, and Eva all explane that the davy crockett was a misshap and it was because of that misshap that the boss had to die.
:I think that Hideo is far more insane than to make it as simple as that. With all the twists and turns in the plot I really don't think that is the case.
Plus like you said, why should Snake even get involved if there wasn't greater reason than merely getting Sokolov out alive. No doubt Ocelot or The Boss could achieve that much easier.
It goes like this. America wanted the legacy and no shagohod. the boss and ocleot worked to get the legacy, snake was sent to get sokolov, thereby ensureing the shagohod is never completed. Ocelot and the boss could not have got sokolov out without blowing their cover or endangering their position. i hope i said enough here.
yes ocelot is a good marksman, and yes that shot on the roof was cool, but those were typical generic guards. Snake killed countless of them himself. there no better than targets. where as snake himself as the master soldier would be MUCH harder to kill than a simple guard. don't you remember snake incopasatating the entire ocelot unit and his commander. it takes more than a good marksman to kill snake.
I am enjoying this debate, lets keep it going untill we reach either an agreement or a stalemate.
If any other ppl in the club have a comment, don't hesitate to post it.
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Let me just end by saying this. Your questioning everything too much. a lot of your explenations involve not believing what information were given, and although in MGS there are a lot of examples of characters either lying or giving misleading information, every single thing a character says can't be thought of as a lie. on a lot of this stuff you seem to be going out of your way to think of a situation in which information given to snake is a lie even when the truth seemes to make more sense.