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Actually I think civil war is the key to achieving peace over there. Think about it, most of the attacks come from Sunni's who are angry with the new government and America promoting democracy. Thus we see attacks everyday in small proportions. BUT if there was a civil war, one side would win or the country would be split and the violence would stop.

Here's an article that explains the benefits of civil war in more detail http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentar y/la-oe-luttwak2jun02,0,1955042.story?coll=la -news-comment-opinions

It's about now that Iraqi's will be regretting they hadn't overthrown Saddam themselves.

At 11/25/06 08:22 PM, Ra2God wrote: Actually I think civil war is the key to achieving peace over there. Think about it, most of the
Here's an article that explains the benefits of civil war in more detail http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentar y/la-oe-luttwak2jun02,0,1955042.story?coll=la -news-comment-opinions

Its good to arm chair debate civil war ebcuase those peope are over "there" right. Consodering you won't be the one fighting or dieing.

That's right. Believe what the truth twisting media (who sometimes obtains information by illegal means) tells you.

At 11/26/06 02:02 AM, Techware wrote: That's right. Believe what the truth twisting media (who sometimes obtains information by illegal means) tells you.

Where do you get your information?

At 11/26/06 01:50 AM, goozebump wrote: Its good to arm chair debate civil war ebcuase those peope are over "there" right. Consodering you won't be the one fighting or dieing.

Whats your solution then Einstein? Dont just bitch about shit if you have nothing to add or suggest.

If the Iraqis are committed to not getting their shit together and continue to kill our people, we will have to leave. I wholeheartedly support giving them everything they need to succede but I feel if it comes to the point where we cant solve anything by having our troops there and they want to continue to blow eachother up, whatever. I say run with increased troop numbers over there for a time and if that solves nothing, leave. Its pointless to throw our troops into a meat grinder if their ultimately is no solution to Iraq that doesnt involve copious amounts of blood shed.

At 11/26/06 05:02 AM, Camarohusky wrote:

Where do you get your information?

They're more than willing to take any story they get even if by having it it's illegal. If someone were to illegally access personal information on someone like... oh say, Bush, the Media would be more than happy to display what he/she found.

America needs to leave iraq a lone for a bit. THe war may come to an end

At 11/26/06 02:02 AM, Techware wrote: That's right. Believe what the truth twisting media (who sometimes obtains information by illegal means) tells you.

Where do you get your information?

At 11/26/06 10:50 AM, Techware wrote: They're more than willing to take any story they get even if by having it it's illegal. If someone were to illegally access personal information on someone like... oh say, Bush, the Media would be more than happy to display what he/she found.

You didn't answer his question.

Where do you get your information?

At 11/26/06 02:40 PM, Jose wrote:

Where do you get your information?

I can give you an example come tomorrow. But the fact that you're putting all your trust in the Media (Who in the hell trusts an "Anonymous source").

C'mon, you can't be that blind to think they don't. As they say, the only thing they care about is a story.

At 11/26/06 03:58 PM, Techware wrote: I can give you an example come tomorrow. But the fact that you're putting all your trust in the Media (Who in the hell trusts an "Anonymous source").

It's just a simple question, where do you get your information?

At 11/26/06 03:58 PM, Techware wrote:

At 11/26/06 02:40 PM, Jose wrote:

Where do you get your information?

I can give you an example come tomorrow. But the fact that you're putting all your trust in the Media (Who in the hell trusts an "Anonymous source").

C'mon, you can't be that blind to think they don't. As they say, the only thing they care about is a story.

I never said I put my full trust in the media.

Where do you get your information?

Oh wait, you weren't replying to me. My mistake.

Where do you get your information?

I'm still eager to know where Techware gets his unbiased information.

Why, he's a whole day overdue.

At 11/28/06 09:22 AM, Camarohusky wrote: I'm still eager to know where Techware gets his unbiased information.

I am going to assume it comes to him in his sleep.

On topic:

A Marine Corps intelligence report says that U.S. and Iraqi troops "are no longer capable of militarily defeating the insurgency in al-Anbar"
On top of that, a growing number of Middle East analysts....say that Iraq's cascading civil war has spun out of Washington's control.
Jeffrey White, a former senior Middle East analyst with the Defense Intelligence Agency says "There is a smokescreen of this national unity government, but they have no general agreement on the future shape of Iraq, no general agreement on the distribution of power, no general agreement on the distribution of resources,"

Hey Techware, where do you get your information?

It's not a difficult question to answer, Techware, where do you get your information?

War sucks, civil war sucks. But damnit, it's progress. It's the larval stage that creates a country. The US had a civil war and we came out ok. I don't think we could have achieved what we have today without it. Let the citzens fight for what they believe is right.

They cant kill everyone. There will be violence and one side will win. This was common a long time ago with today's modern countries. Iraq just got held back a few years. Let it grow.

I don't like war, it doesn't make me happy when i hear that our soldiers killed another group of insurgents. But this is something that just happens in countries. It HAS to happen. Cold? maybe, but it is sound reasoning.

If you don't believe me, ask yourself this:
"Could Iraq ever be stable with equal parts sunni and shiite?"
it's the same as asking:
"Could the US have been stable keeping slavery in the south and freedom in the north?"

Techware, where do you get your information?

I can't stop until I'm enlightened. After all, the assumption can be made that all information Techware gets is unbiased and indisputably correct, since he's so confident in his claims. I wonder why so few people know of such a source.

At 11/25/06 04:46 PM, FightingForFreedom wrote: There can't really be a civil war if there isn't a union to begin with.

because the iraqis were never united under one country

Denying me will only reinforce my want for a completely unbiased news source, Techware.

At 12/4/06 12:46 PM, Peter-II wrote: Denying me will only reinforce my want for a completely unbiased news source, Techware.

Yes Techware; I would love to have access to the unbiased and truthful information source you have! Please, oh great Titan...the equal of Prometheus...enlighten us with the information/journalism fire you stole from the Political Gods of Mt. Olympus! Why won't you hear our pleas for your enlightenment! I guess you've got better things to do...

I think Iraq is in a confined Civil War. If we pull out I believe the Shi'ites will most likely slaughter the Sunni. The government is weak (part their fault, part ours) and is unable to provide stability and deal with the underlying ethnic divisions of the country.

I'm beginning to think that while getting rid of Hussein was good and Iraq will be the better for it, a Civil War will most likely lead to an ultimately more stable and vibrant Iraq.

At 12/4/06 01:48 PM, TheMason wrote: I'm beginning to think that while getting rid of Hussein was good and Iraq will be the better for it, a Civil War will most likely lead to an ultimately more stable and vibrant Iraq.

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure." --Thomas Jefferson "

These people have been repressed for so long that a Civil War was pretty much inevitable. Basically their way of "venting" out all that hostility towards each other that got built up over the last kajillion years.....

Our own Civil War followed similar terms.

"It is foolish to fear that which you cannot avoid"
~Publilius Syrus

Ain't it wonderful to know that our nation hasn't figured out what some Latin writer figured out 2000 years ago?

Eventually the Civil War will wear itself out, and the masses will no longer accept it. A stable government will form, put down all other military factions, and voila! A stable country and democratically elected governemnt pops up!

What is stupid is to downplay it. If anything, it should be OVER emphasized, both here AND in Iraq. The idea being that if people think shit has hit the fan, they've got no other choice than to move forward. If they think everything is hunkiedorie and nothing bad is happening, there's no incentive (besides their own) to motivate people to do much of anything.....

Our only job there should be to keep it from becoming a genocide, IMO.....

At 11/28/06 11:17 AM, Peter-II wrote: Why, he's a whole day overdue.

I think he ran away.....
.......must be a Democrat......

ZING!!

At 12/4/06 04:37 PM, Imperator wrote:

At 11/28/06 11:17 AM, Peter-II wrote: Why, he's a whole day overdue.

I think he ran away.....
.......must be a Democrat......

No, I think he is a conservative, but I may be wrong. Anyhow, I cornered him in another thread and confronted him about his information source, you can read his reply there.

Kofi Annan also agrees Iraq is in a civil war. It seems that the only people that don't agree with that thought are in the White House.

At 12/4/06 04:58 PM, bcdemon wrote:

No, I think he is a conservative, but I may be wrong. Anyhow, I cornered him in another thread and confronted him about his information source, you can read his reply there.

Yep, because I have to be perfect, and forgot my real life and remember everything I did on NewGrounds. I provided you with your source on an example with what happend to Reagan. I even gave examples of current events, and yet you're still trying to act like you came out on top, which is very entertaining.

At 12/4/06 07:42 PM, Techware wrote: Yep, because I have to be perfect, and forgot my real life and remember everything I did on NewGrounds.

*cringes* ...oh, it hurts... sentence structure... horrible... AACK!

I provided you with your source on an example with what happend to Reagan.

"Author, date, and publisher would be appreciated."

Which is it?

I even gave examples of current events, and yet you're still trying to act like you came out on top, which is very entertaining.

You DO realize you're the only one who thinks that you've "won" right? Maybe instead of being a dickhead, you can step back, ask yourself WHY so many people are against you, and learn something.....

Or you can continue to have that ethnocentric arrogant attitude of yours and never learn anything from the time you spend on NG BBS. Your choice.