The far right

[Slizor]

Ok we all know why people would be attracted to the far left, don't we? but why would anyone be interested in the far right??! All its about is scapegoating and racism!

[Adambomb]

At 5/9/01 12:57 PM, Bugger_all_99 wrote: Ok we all know why people would be attracted to the far left, don't we? but why would anyone be interested in the far right??! All its about is scapegoating and racism!

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[kurten]

To them, they are doing what is right and just. We all want to do that, left or right. And it's drilled into them, in the case of religious zeal.

[shorbe]

Bugger: The far right and the far left aren't much different. The far left is also about racism and scapegoatism. Scapegoatism in the form of not wanting to take responsibility, and wanting the government or someone else to do everything for you. Racism in the patronising handouts and pedalling of welfare dependence.

Just depends which way you look at things, but ultimately, it works like a circle.

shorbe

[Slizor]

Shorbe: What the hell are you on?!?! Communists aren't about letting other people do things for you and what was that about hand outs?!?!

[Low-Budget-Superhero]

At 5/9/01 12:57 PM, Bugger_all_99 wrote: Ok we all know why people would be attracted to the far left, don't we? but why would anyone be interested in the far right??! All its about is scapegoating and racism!

Because their parents told them to... and their parents have Confederate flags and shotguns in the basement, bedroom, living room, tool shed, garage, pickup truck, bathroom, laundry-room, den, guest bedroom, broom closet, dining room, back yard, front yard, under the table, on roof, in the storage room, and/or a bedside table. Get the picture?

[Slizor]

Because their parents told them to... and their parents have Confederate flags and shotguns in the basement, bedroom, living room, tool shed, garage, pickup truck, bathroom, laundry-room, den, guest bedroom, broom closet, dining room, back yard, front yard, under the table, on roof, in the storage room, and/or a bedside table. Get the picture?

it's not just rednecks you know! There are right wingers everywhere

[Low-Budget-Superhero]

At 5/11/01 11:49 AM, Bugger_all_99 wrote:

Because their parents told them to... and their parents have Confederate flags and shotguns in the basement, bedroom, living room, tool shed, garage, pickup truck, bathroom, laundry-room, den, guest bedroom, broom closet, dining room, back yard, front yard, under the table, on roof, in the storage room, and/or a bedside table. Get the picture?

it's not just rednecks you know! There are right wingers everywhere

That is true! Just ask Charlton Heston! He's one of the greatest actors of our time, and he's the president of the NRA!

[shorbe]

Bugger: Firstly, the far left is not just communism. Secondly, communism is about no incentives or punishments fot the level of work, which means pretty soon, some people realise they don't have to work at all, cause someone else will, and other people who would work very hard normally, don't see the point if they won't get rewarded for it.

shorbe

[KaneOfNod]

PSP is good for quick shit...

[Slizor]

Bugger: Firstly, the far left is not just communism. Secondly, communism is about no incentives or punishments fot the level of work, which means pretty soon, some people realise they don't have to work at all, cause someone else will, and other people who would work very hard normally, don't see the point if they won't get rewarded for it.

Shorbe: Surely by now you have realised there is more than one type of communist. I am myself a self-styled communist, I have read Marx and I have read the other great communists, but we as communists, should improve the idealogy. The people who don't work get fired, communists have never said that workers didn't have the right to change jobs.

[Raptorman]

First off, the only great Marx was Groucho. You state that non workers should be fired. How would you insure that lazy workers were correctly identified, what would be the motivation for the managers if they had no vested interest in the success of the company? Production requirements? Sounds a lot like the 5 year plans, we all know how well they worked. Let me give you an example. A company is required to produce 5000 shoes in a month. Since evreyone does things in the most resource efficent way possable, they make 5000 baby shoes. The order comes in next month to create 5000 shoes of varying mens, womens, and babies shoes so next month 2 mens shoes, 2 womens shoes and 4996 baby shoes are made. There is now a serious shortage of adult shoes so the order comes for 2500 mens and 2500 womens shoes. Since in is cheaper to reuse one pattern they all come out the same size, great if you have that size feet but nothing to relieve the shortage. Finally, the party bosses (the elite will always exist) start to run low on shoes and look at the records. All production goals have been met and costs have been kept supprisingly low. Obviously, this is a talented manager that should be in charge of a larger plant to create more shoes so the plant is expanded and the order goes out for 10,000 shoes.......I think we know where this is going.

A better way would have the manager own the factory. He would know there was no way he would sell 5000 baby shoes in a month and that men and women have varing feet sizes and would direct his company to produce shoes of varing types and styles. If there turns up a shortage of on type and a glut of another he must adjust production accordingly to maintain profitability.

As to the right/left graph some of you have remember, that is a simplification of of a complex belief system and not the system itself. As fir the fellow who put both the US parties on the right of the graft remeber, the centerline is determined by an aggrigate of the American people. As the parties have roughly equal power in the US it is natural that the median line falls somewhere between those two and not to one side or the other.

Finally, putting the note of people who are afraid of revoution, recall why communism never caught on in the US. Back in the '30 there was a strong worldwide communist movement. In the US however there was also a burgoining middle class. Communist theory is a hard sell to home owners so it never gained much clout here where as it became much stronger in poorer contries where wealth was more concentrated the idea of plutocratic oppressers was more easilly swallowed. Wealthy people do not revolt. Capitalism has been shown to be the most effective way to create wealth. Great wealth creating requires low corruption and political stability. Communism is very poor at creating those conditions. Capitalism is not perfect but it is the best systen shown yet.

[TFX]

At 5/9/01 12:57 PM, Slizor wrote: Ok we all know why people would be attracted to the far left, don't we? but why would anyone be interested in the far right??! All its about is scapegoating and racism!

I think most of you are sterotyping Left and Right by some of the ideals of those who hold those positions.

Left wing people believe in radical changes. Anarchy, if you will, rule by the people. Communism is a little to the right of that. The problem with anarchy is that everyone will be a farmer. Why? Because no farmer in their right-mind would make food for anyone else but themselves. Anyone who didn't want to be a farmer would need support by a farmer and then anarchy doesn't exist.

Right wing people believe in reactionary changes, to go back in time to a 'better time'. A republic is a little ot the left of this. The problem with Fascism/Nazism is that sole decisions are made by the dictator. If they make a bad mistake, then the whole system collapses (like Hitler with Nazi Germany). Not every right-wing extremist believes in slavery and is a redneck. That's just the stereotype.

I am a conservative. I don't believe in liberal policies, but I don't believe in ultra-right wing policies, either. It's just based on opinion.

Just because you may not understand why people would follow the stereotypical right-wing extremist that you have provided, doesn't mean they don't have some hella-good reasoning.

[shorbe]

Slizor: I would have put the Republicans and Democrats further to the right than that :P I think you were being generous there.

Was it Raptor who said that they actually fell on either side of the median? So if we put Mussolini and Hitler in the same room, one would be slightly left wing?

Compare the so-called liberals in the US to the left wing in any other country, and they're a joke left wing.

shorbe

[Slizor]

Ok i had a long answer but it got screwed up, ah well
Raptor: Workers control the factories in communism. When have I said that no-one should be fired? The line doesn't fall through the middle A) because it was showing extremist parties as well(therefore it would have to be relative) B) I'm british
Selling communism to america is the same as selling a gay prostitute to Hitler.
TFX: Anarchy ain't like that and its not actually just a leftist movement. So what is the far right about? Go on then, show there reasoning
Shorbe: My guessing is that it would be Hitler National Socialist and all