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At 9/4/04 10:09 PM, Artificial wrote: Also using words like pickle are just what i do.. ill check out the magnet of ebay $$$

Lol I will work on it. So far all I have is this scribbly one that looks like a blind person made. It may take some time.

At 1/26/03 12:15 AM, The-Inquisitor wrote: The same chechen terrorists who are trying to free their country from Russias unjust war?

The same chechen terrorists who where holding the hostages peacefuly and meeting their needs?

Who fucked up that siege? it was the russian government who killed most of the hostages by using excessive force and poison gas.

Are you fuckin stupid. They took little kids in a school, arnt giving them food or water for days, and you say their peacefull? I agree with the person who made this. I dont hate them all, some are peacfull, but the terrorists should be killed.

Chechen freedom fighters are friendly and lovable in the same way I enjoy shoving hedgehogs and porcupines down my MC Hammer pants.

I love Hammer Pants!!! They are the shiznite.

Chechnian rebel porn is is where kathy lee gifford dominatrix flix were 5 years ago.......... j/k(!) ya kill them rebelz and use there bones to build a peace monument.

At 9/5/04 02:25 AM, Elements_Studios wrote: ya kill them rebelz and use there bones to build a peace monument.

Haha, I don't mean to be picking humor out of a grim thread, but i found that funny. As for the terrorists, they do deserve to be punished/killed, but we musn't be so radical as to endanger the lives of innocent Chechens in the process. What some people sometimes fail to realize is that just because a handfull of terrorists from one country decide to go nuts, that doesn't mean all inhabitants of that country agree with the actions the terrorists took.

I hate it how the people that get attacked by terrorists then always swing to the right and then feel it is acceptable to thenn justify the slaughter of people who were born in the same country as the minoriuty of people that attacked them, and THEN proclaim even worse treatment for civilians in countries that their government oppresses. You're all idiots, and hypocrites.

At 9/4/04 09:39 PM, Fryl0ck wrote: See how the liberals like grand_retard run away when prooven wrong by Fabolous? Instead he trys to justify them by defending them LOL so sad, tell me something moron if they held your family as hostage would you sitll be on thier side? Thought so get in touch wwith reallity and stop bullshitting

Tell me, moron. Where do I say I agree with the terrorists?

The kind of person that’s willing to kill a kid, for whatever reason deserves a bullet in the groin, and a lot of other places (like you I suppose, keep the gene pool in good order and all that).

You see something that slightly disagrees with your ‘kill everyone!’ views you shoot your mouth off like an eejit. Grow up man.

So, if someone that lived in the same town as you or shared your ethnicity committed a heinous crime like this would that mean you deserved to die?

At 9/4/04 02:57 PM, Jimsween wrote: But it's all for a good cause.. I mean.... they want to seperate themselves....

Surely if a race wants to seperate themselves from another race they can use violent means to do so....

Why the hell do the chechens even want secession? What are they fighting for? Chechnya is far too small to be an economic power. Why die for such a small spit of land?

At 9/4/04 07:03 PM, grand_retard wrote:

At 9/4/04 07:01 PM, IceWraith15 wrote: I say the Russian government carpet bomb Grozny.

And, save from killing thousands of innocents, and creating an entire generation of terrorists, what would that achieve?

The Chechen rebels should run in fear from the Russian government, it shouldn't be the other way around.

At 9/5/04 03:44 PM, IceWraith15 wrote:

:: Why the hell do the chechens even want secession? What are they fighting for? Chechnya is far too small to be an economic power. Why die for such a small spit of land?

What? So only people who live in big countries that are guaranteed to be superpowers should feel national pride? My country is ‘too small to be an economic power’ doesn’t mean I won’t fight and die for it. But would I kill children and innocent people for it? Hell no…

They speak their own language, they have their own culture and traditions. Russia is old, and weak. And it’s vainly trying to hold onto as much of it’s Soviet empire as possible. It’s in Chechnya’s best interests to be free.

But if they want independence, they should set up political parties, try to hold referendums, conduct peaceful protests, this is the way to win necessary world support if they wish to gain independence. Russia is a democracy (even if the last few elections in Chechnya were rigged and has been under military rule for years, although that may of been justified.).

:: The Chechen rebels should run in fear from the Russian government, it shouldn't be the other way around.

I agree. But are you seriously saying that killing thousands of more innocent people would solve this.

What’s the difference between a Chechen terrorist killing a Russian kid, and a Russian soldier killing a Chechen one? You cannot hold an entire province responsible for the action of a handful of fundamentalists.

Struggles like these are going on all over the world, between a powerful nation and a seperatist entity/competitor, whether it be between India and Pakistan, Israel and Palestine, or Russia and Chechnya. In all of these cases, a former or would-be superpower is fighting to gain or regain land. In such cases, the main reason why the friction exists between the two countries is due to religious or lingual differences. Is it not logical that Chechnya deserves its independence from Russia? The ideology between the two countries are so radically different that there is no logical reason for Russia to rule over Chechnya. All of this fighting could end in an instant were Russia to allow Chechnya to declare itself free.

ultimately, the original goal of chechnya to be an independent self-governing nation is a reasonable desire.

as far as i understand it, russia wants to hold onto chechnya in order to prevent other smaller territories from seceding, and so that they can control an oil pipeline which runs through the territory.

let me make it known that i find it ironic that russia is not lambasted for vetoing a resolution to go to war with the former dictatorship of iraq, when their occupation of chechnya is for many of the same percieved reasons, like the accusations against the US of emperialistic expansion, and attepts at gaining control of oil. especially when there is far more evidence of the former in the case of russia.

while i agree with the chechens desire to be a seperate nation, much like how the united states wanted to become seperate from the british empire, the methods that they employ, or at least are employed on their behalf, are abhorrent, and eliminate sympathy for their cause.

unfortunately for all involved, chechnya has become a breeding ground for islamic terrorists. as such it cannot be trusted to become its own sovereign nation in the current political climate.
if that were to happen then the fundamentalists would most likely seize control, and attacks would continue.
also the oil pipeline would more than likely be held to ransom.

it is for this reason that chechnya must be brought back under russian control. at least then it would be easier to deal with the terrorist threat, and to ensure the safety of the chechen civilian population.

At 9/5/04 08:17 PM, bombkangaroo wrote: let me make it known that i find it ironic that russia is not lambasted for vetoing a resolution to go to war with the former dictatorship of iraq, when their occupation of chechnya is for many of the same percieved reasons, like the accusations against the US of emperialistic expansion, and attepts at gaining control of oil. especially when there is far more evidence of the former in the case of russia.

lol, funny how the world works and every country fights tooth and nail against eachother when they are supposed allies? Everyone loves to preach but few like to listen to their own words.

Overall, bombkangaroo, a very well laid out argument and 100% correct.

Now, now - we all know the US will never declare war on the Chechens. Why? To white by half...

It's either make obnoxious comments or realise I had a filling put in with no anaesthetic, OK?

Let me get my hands on those Chechen fuckers. I'll rip
their fucking balls off, as I'm pissed with them killing children. Freedom fighters? In somes eyes these pussies are 'freedom fighters'. But in raw truth, just pussies. Please, killing children? Whats more pussy than that. If they want freedom, why don't they just ask politely, or ask the UN for help. Bombing schools and shooting children will only piss people off, and get someone 'fighting for independence' killed. Hydrogen bomb anyone? And for anyone who knows nothing of a hydrogen bomb. I should say, It is a uranium based bomb, but its like 1,000 times+ more powerful than an A- bomb (or atom bomb). And if, the Chechens will stand behind terrorists and pussies and support them, they should surely deserve the punishment. They're just pissing off a sleeping bear, not good for their health. And if they continue this shit, they will never get world UN support.

At 9/5/04 08:25 PM, FAB0L0US wrote: lol, funny how the world works and every country fights tooth and nail against eachother when they are supposed allies? Everyone loves to preach but few like to listen to their own words.

Overall, bombkangaroo, a very well laid out argument and 100% correct.

So true....

At 9/6/04 11:56 AM, D2KVirus wrote: Now, now - we all know the US will never declare war on the Chechens. Why? To white by half...

actually i'd say it's more because they tend to show up the russians, and because america has little interest in the region.
not to mention it is technically a part of russia.
if russia did want outside help, then they would most likely have to go through the security council. although i'd be interested to see the USA put in that position.
on the one hand they have the need to look tough in the fight against terrorism, and chechnya is quite the breeding ground for islamic fundamentalism.
on the other hand i'm sure that the USA would like the opportunity to play with russia a bit, and to force them to giveup some poitical leverage in exchange for help.

it could make a rather interesting situation.

At 9/6/04 01:33 PM, bombkangaroo wrote:
on the other hand i'm sure that the USA would like the opportunity to play with russia a bit, and to force them to giveup some poitical leverage in exchange for help.

it could make a rather interesting situation.

Knowing Putin, or to be more accurate national pride multiplied by saving face as political leader, he'd be more likely to turn down US help than anything else. After all, the Russians have been waging war with the region for years (and it is more one-sided than Iraq or Palestine, frankly), but it gives the perfect excuse to charge in with all guns blazing. Well, they have to - Putin hasn't come off well, and needs some cosmetic carnage.

Consideing they laid off after the Opera House siege, they will be given justification by The People.

So now, after ten years when the whole Chechneya business started, people are actually starting to pay a little attention.

It's like Israel and Palestine. Except in that part of the world, both sides are even less likely to negotiate or use the cooler parts of their heads.

Jimsween's idea of carpet bombing the area with guns sounds rather attractive to me.

Well Im glad Putin has said he will not negociate with child-killers

At 9/7/04 09:30 AM, EvilGovernmentAgents wrote: Jimsween's idea of carpet bombing the area with guns sounds rather attractive to me.

am i reading that wrong?

At 9/7/04 09:30 AM, EvilGovernmentAgents wrote:
Jimsween's idea of carpet bombing the area with guns sounds rather attractive to me.

And that's the problem...

Anyway, Putin has come out with all guns blazing (more or less literally), so do I get a prize for guessing the exceedingly bleedin' obvious steps Russia would take afterwards.

Remember - try no to make it possible for emotive revenge everyone will agree with. Kill accountants.

At 9/7/04 05:34 PM, bombkangaroo wrote: am i reading that wrong?

Only if you want to, not if you can't.

At 9/8/04 10:25 AM, D2KVirus wrote: And that's the problem...

Frustration.

Sheesh, sometimes it's hard not to get annoyed at how stupid people can be. And no, I'm not talking about users

Anyway, Putin has come out with all guns blazing (more or less literally), so do I get a prize for guessing the exceedingly bleedin' obvious steps Russia would take afterwards.

Hey, this is almost Israel we're talking about. Except Israel has a slightly successful record in negotiation.

Russia doesn't even have one.

Remember - try no to make it possible for emotive revenge everyone will agree with. Kill accountants.

Ouch. Ima accountant.

But in all seriousness, I just don't really see peace in Chechneya with Putin in place, or anyone like him.

Where's that article about morale in Russian divisions in Chechneya...it's out there somewhere...

Ya, Putin is to dumb it seems like to do anything correctly. Russia is the most un-democratic democracy in the whole world, it is almost laughable. That the only reason he in office.

At 9/8/04 08:50 PM, EvilGovernmentAgents wrote:
Hey, this is almost Israel we're talking about. Except Israel has a slightly successful record in negotiation.

I know - saying Russian will hunt down terrorists, and not stop until they are all laying dead, or at least severely injured, in the gutter. What kind of a country will come up with statements like that?

Russia doesn't even have one.

The idea of Democracy is to feel superior to everyone else. Usually the voters you shit on from a great height.

But in all seriousness, I just don't really see peace in Chechneya with Putin in place, or anyone like him.

Sure - all they have to do is kill everyone there, and it'll be totally peaceful. Other than that, it'll be destabilised and outwardly hostile.

Again, this sounds familiar...

At 9/9/04 09:46 AM, D2KVirus wrote: I know - saying Russian will hunt down terrorists, and not stop until they are all laying dead, or at least severely injured, in the gutter. What kind of a country will come up with statements like that?

Democratic ones. Which else?

Dictatorships tend to make highly ineffective and awkward threats of destruction. That's because no one with any literary sense is working for them.

Literature and rationality must be stopped.

The idea of Democracy is to feel superior to everyone else. Usually the voters you shit on from a great height.

I think you're refering to the leaders.

And in any case, the idea of democracy is to feel whatever you want to about everybody else. No one will need to care.

Sure - all they have to do is kill everyone there, and it'll be totally peaceful. Other than that, it'll be destabilised and outwardly hostile.

Hey, Phillippine American war.

Not everybody died. But uprising put down.

Guerilla warfare needs a good taste of brutality and ruthlessness to be hit down, and kicked in the nuts.

No man can still effectively fight after being knocked down and kicked in the nuts. Nor do they want to.

Again, this sounds familiar...

*Shrug*

No body learns about history anymore. That is, not a condensed and politically correct version of it.

At 1/24/03 11:14 PM, Russian_dogg wrote: wow I got crappy review today from a gay pussy by the name of mushroom_clock.

he gave me a 0 because they supports the terriosts in chechnuya, and dosen't like my game where it involves shooting chechen terriosts.

it really pathetic, you're basicly saying the same "freedom fighters"should be free, the same one's that kill children at night, bomb buildings, took hostages in moscow.I might as well spit at you're face.

genocide???
russia holds refugee camps...

The diffrence between a freedom fighter and terrorist is all a matter of opinion.

However, voting 0 for flash because you disagree with its politics is fucking retarded. Vote on flash games on their game play NOT political message. May I remind the idiot this is Newgrounds, its supposed to be offensive. If you get offended by content on this site, you probably should leave.

At 9/8/04 08:50 PM, EvilGovernmentAgents wrote:

At 9/7/04 05:34 PM, bombkangaroo wrote: am i reading that wrong?

Only if you want to, not if you can't.

sorry, but i don't see how one can carpet bomb, using guns.
did you/jim/whatever mean artillery or something?
otherwise it sounds similar to the idea of dropping pennies on them.