Forum Topic: muslims, should we kick them out?

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At 3/31/06 09:32 AM, Graffititi_37 wrote: From the Koran:

"Do not take the Jews and Christians for friends" (Surah 5:51)

"fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness" (Surah 9:123)

"fight those who do not believe in Allah" (Surah 9:29)

"and fight them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah" (Surah 8:39)

"fight them; Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace" (Surah 9:14)

fucking morons, hasn't anyone realized almost all religious scriptures has something about killing or fighting non-believers; the Qu'ran, The Bible, the Torah and i'm guessing texts from many other religions, its nothing special

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Notice how most of your verses are starting with lower case, meaning you took them out of context.

At 3/31/06 09:32 AM, Graffititi_37 wrote: From the Koran:

"Do not take the Jews and Christians for friends" (Surah 5:51)

You could by what lapis showed but I'm a whore so I'll post this and copy and paste some of it because of the character limitt:

O, you who believe [in the message of Muhammad], do not take Jews and Christians as awliya’. They are awliya’ to one another, and the one among you who turns to them is of them.
The word awliya’ (sing. “wali”), which we left above in the original Arabic, has been commonly translated into English as “friends.” Given this translation, the verse appears to be a very clear statement opposing “normative” or “kindly relations” between Muslims and Jews and Christians, however, when we look at the traditional Quranic commentaries of Medieval times, which discuss the events surrounding the revelation of this verse, the modern translation becomes suspect.

Put within its proper historical context, the word awliya’ here does not mean “friends” at all. While it is true that one of the meanings of awliya’ is “friends,” it also has additional meanings such as “guardians,” “protectors” and even “legal guardians.” Interestingly enough, we find that when we consult the traditional commentaries on the Quran we are told that this verse was revealed at a particularly delicate moment in the life of the early Muslim community, and here it is necessary to explain, to a certain extent, what was the existential situation of the Muslims at this time in Arabia so as to situate verse 5:51 within its proper circumstances.

"fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness" (Surah 9:123)

As I said at the beggining of this post, stop taking it out of context, this is the actual verse, "O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him." That means, if they fight you, fight them.

"fight those who do not believe in Allah" (Surah 9:29)

Well if you actually read the verses preciding, the beginning part talks about an agreement of truce between the enemies of Islam and the muslims in Medina, known as the treaty of Hudebayaih, but then the pagans broke their agreement and attacked them, so go attack them back.

"and fight them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah" (Surah 8:39)

Again, just taking the parts you want, here's the entire verse, "And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do." That explains the oppression that was given to the muslims and that the muslims should react but if they stop then God knows and its all a-okay.

"fight them; Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace" (Surah 9:14)

Again, as I said about the previous one from this sura, broken agreements. You would know this if you read the preceeding verse 9:13, "Will ye not fight people who violated their oaths, plotted to expel the Messenger, and took the aggressive by being the first (to assault) you? Do ye fear them? Nay, it is Allah Whom ye should more justly fear, if ye believe!"


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At 3/31/06 05:51 PM, Fenrus1989 wrote: Wait, Were kicking out Jews now.

But our Banks will crash.

And who will be the Ambulance Chasers.

Its ok. We wont notice any of that cause we'll have a big party.

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well, there was a chinese exclusion act approved by congress, so it is possible for a arab exclusion act...


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At 4/1/06 01:33 AM, Morextremist wrote: well, there was a chinese exclusion act approved by congress, so it is possible for a arab exclusion act...

There are more black muslims than arab muslims in America, so that wouldn't solve the issue.


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At 4/1/06 01:33 AM, Morextremist wrote: well, there was a chinese exclusion act approved by congress, so it is possible for a arab exclusion act...

That's been recognized (the Chinese Exclusion Act) as discriminatory. The Supreme Court would not allow an Arab exclusion act, nor forced deportation of Arabs.


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The muslim religion might not have anything to do with religion, but it is warlike. Think otf the two jihads. The greater jihad is cleansing the mind of infedelic beleifs and thinking. the second, and lesser jihad, is two go to war against infedels. If you do not think that islam is an aggressive religion, think about how it spread. From the beggining when Muhaamed went from Medina to Mecca he fought with the Meccans and entered into the city through force. Also within a generation of the prophets death, Islam spread greatly, all through wars. It is an inherintly violent religion, if not through the Koran then through tradition.

I would hope you are not speaking in opposition to the "peaceful" spread of Christianity.


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youre ALL right muslims should ide a horrible discusting death.


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At 3/31/06 09:32 AM, <deleted> wrote: From the Koran:

None of those are real. Go back to your clan rally. >=(
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At 3/31/06 06:43 AM, Gunrock wrote:
At 3/31/06 01:15 AM, Shin-Tenshu wrote:
but the muslim religion has nothing to do with terrorists. if you think that muslims do terrorize because of their religion, then insead of acting like a complete idiot, read the koran. best to understand something rather then acting like a complete jackass.

The muslim religion might not have anything to do with religion, but it is warlike. Think otf the two jihads. The greater jihad is cleansing the mind of infedelic beleifs and thinking. the second, and lesser jihad, is two go to war against infedels. If you do not think that islam is an aggressive religion, think about how it spread. From the beggining when Muhaamed went from Medina to Mecca he fought with the Meccans and entered into the city through force. Also within a generation of the prophets death, Islam spread greatly, all through wars. It is an inherintly violent religion, if not through the Koran then through tradition.

Muhammed(PBUH), was not a violent man and Islam isn't a violent religon, it's a very peaceful religon. Prophet Muhammed never forced anyone into Islam, and never hated or disrespected anyone religon either, he entered Mecca and told the people about Islam, they forced him out and him and his army rested in Medina, the Meccans kept on attacking, they had a larger and stronger force but they never one, so after the Meccans failed to defeat them again, Muhammed went over to Mecca, and started destroying the idols, he wasn't a violent man, a very kind one indeed.

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and started destroying the idols, he wasn't a violent man, a very kind one indeed.

Sort of what Jesus did in in that rich temple.

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At 3/31/06 05:54 PM, seventy-one wrote:
At 3/31/06 06:43 AM, Gunrock wrote:
At 3/31/06 01:15 AM, Shin-Tenshu wrote:

Hey 71 Id like to put your signature pic as my signature pic.do you mind?


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At 8/7/06 11:40 AM, EcKo_WR wrote:
At 3/31/06 05:54 PM, seventy-one wrote:
At 3/31/06 06:43 AM, Gunrock wrote:
At 3/31/06 01:15 AM, Shin-Tenshu wrote:
Hey 71 Id like to put your signature pic as my signature pic.do you mind?

PM superlunk for one.


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At 3/31/06 01:15 AM, Shin-Tenshu wrote: the answer is no. and the reason why is because of this

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Uh, we can restrict immigration. We could prevent people from, say, Pakistan, from coming here, but we couldn't prohibit all Muslims, though it really wouldn't be hard to do so.


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At 3/31/06 01:18 AM, Shin-Tenshu wrote:
At 3/31/06 01:16 AM, zzazzman wrote: Who was planning on kicking out muslims?
i have heard many people talk of wanting to kick them out, and there have been patitions to get the government to kick them out. they dont last long, but they keep comming back up.

That is because a lot of Americans are stubborn, intolerant, assholes.


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At 8/7/06 01:35 PM, HighlyIllogical wrote: Uh, we can restrict immigration. We could prevent people from, say, Pakistan, from coming here, but we couldn't prohibit all Muslims, though it really wouldn't be hard to do so.

You are a racist bigot. Go back to your seculded area under a rock, asshole.


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At 3/31/06 03:52 PM, EcKo_WR wrote:
Then um,whose left?

me... all by myself.


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At 8/7/06 09:18 PM, Korriken wrote:
At 3/31/06 03:52 PM, EcKo_WR wrote:
Then um,whose left?
me... all by myself.

*hears Celine Dion singing 'all by myself' out of nowhere*

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At 8/7/06 05:47 PM, drDAK wrote:
At 8/7/06 01:35 PM, HighlyIllogical wrote:
You are a racist bigot. Go back to your seculded area under a rock, asshole.

No it's legal and possible.

We stopped Chinese coming into this country for a good stretch of time.

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At 8/7/06 09:43 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote: No it's legal and possible.

We stopped Chinese coming into this country for a good stretch of time.

Chinese is not a religion. Technically speaking, it is not possible due to the first amendment.


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The Chinese were excluded to be allowed to immigrate into America due to America's intolerance of people of different cultures and the Chinese were view inferior to people of other skin, because of pseudo-scientific accounts concerning how the Chinese work.

But too bad they didn't know that that the Chinese built the Western half ot the intercontinental railroad.


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At 3/31/06 01:34 AM, FAB0L0US wrote:
DAMN JEWS!!!!

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The muslims in the US from what i see are not causing problems they are happy working at the 711 . but the ones in there own countries are a diffrent story. the Sunnie, and Sheit , and any other sect cant get along. terror cells keep popping up , there world is shit... until they can behave, and quit getting mad and bloweing every thing up, we should close the boarders. if not they will bring there hate here . look at England, they are starting to blow alot of things up. they let it go to far. it might suck for some Arab people but we have our own people to think about...


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At 8/8/06 03:31 PM, sickcutta wrote: The muslims in the US from what i see are not causing problems they are happy working at the 711 . but the ones in there own countries are a diffrent story. the Sunnie, and Sheit , and any other sect cant get along. terror cells keep popping up , there world is shit... until they can behave, and quit getting mad and bloweing every thing up, we should close the boarders. if not they will bring there hate here . look at England, they are starting to blow alot of things up. they let it go to far. it might suck for some Arab people but we have our own people to think about...

You would have to be a retard to actually believe what the media is feeding you.

The muslims, regardless of where they are, are not bad people.

They do what they do for a cause and it is a very easy to understand cause. Like... for instance... American sales-people prevent Arabs for opening up their own stores or extending their business into other areas. How do the Americans do this to the Arabs? Well the truth is much stranger than fiction, nevertheless if you were an Arab or an Irani you would have some hate towards the United States for an understandable reason. Violence is never right, but when you feel threatened and there is no way to survive in how things have become. Think of Colonial America and how the British were treating the colonies. In reality we are doing no less to them than what the British were doing to us. If we just leave them alone, eventually they'll stop whatever it is they are doing. After all, all they want is to be left alone.

You and all the rest of you anti-arabs make me sick hearing how detestable you are to someone of different culture and beliefs.


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At 8/7/06 05:47 PM, drDAK wrote:
At 8/7/06 01:35 PM, HighlyIllogical wrote: Uh, we can restrict immigration. We could prevent people from, say, Pakistan, from coming here, but we couldn't prohibit all Muslims, though it really wouldn't be hard to do so.
You are a racist bigot. Go back to your seculded area under a rock, asshole.

All by myself!!!!

No...I'm not suggesting that it is a good idea, but merely POSSIBLE. Geez.


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only if they cause toruble

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To say that all Muslims love violence, want to kill unbelievers, hate Jews and Americans, etc. would be xenophobic and incredibly igonorant. But it would be the same to not recognize the ties between religion and terrorism. Islam (a perversion of islam by many interpretations) has been used to preach hate across the world. There are millions of muslims who do support jihad and the dhimma. The Quran is widely interpretted to condone terrorism. So don't say that all muslims want to hijack planes, but also don't say that islam is some benign religion of peace that we should leave to its own devices.


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At 8/8/06 05:29 PM, Jayemare wrote: To say that all Muslims love violence, want to kill unbelievers, hate Jews and Americans, etc. would be xenophobic and incredibly igonorant. But it would be the same to not recognize the ties between religion and terrorism. Islam (a perversion of islam by many interpretations) has been used to preach hate across the world. There are millions of muslims who do support jihad and the dhimma. The Quran is widely interpretted to condone terrorism. So don't say that all muslims want to hijack planes, but also don't say that islam is some benign religion of peace that we should leave to its own devices.

To say that makes you no different than the xenophobs you digust.

Not that many Muslims support war or violence. What they support and I will repeat myself again if need be, self defense. You do not strike someone unless they strike you first, that is the main theme of Islam.

Also in Islam it is wrong to attack an unarmed opponent or one that is surrendering.

The problem isn't that Islam is being use to allow violence and terrorism, yet rather that people are not actually following that faith, yet claiming that they are.


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At 4/1/06 01:52 PM, dragonkingx wrote: kick them out

You couldn't think 0.00000000000000001 seconds ahead of you if your life depended on it, couldn't you?


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