cannabis Should be made legal!

[suicide-dude]

Who is with me when i say that cannabis should be made legal? i mean, it only screws you up if you OD or are completely hooked on it. most smokers or would be smokers dont have it 20 times a day, so the law is sorta wrong. Yeah sum people would take advantage of it, but it would only be a minority...

[dELtaluca]

well a potential argument for and against that it can lead to worse drugs can work both ways

the one for saying it shouldnt be legalized deals with the drug itself leading onto worse drugs, but i dont really believe that

the one for saying it should be legalized deals not with cannabis itself, but the ways in which it has to be bought whilst being illegal

With cannabis being illegal, you can only get it through underground, dealers etc. The general way in which other illegal drugs are bought is the same, so just by learning to get cannabis you are learning how to get the other drugs and no doubt at some point (unless the dealer is strictly cannabis only) would likely offer the person another drug and they might or might not accept. If they accept then they are leading onto worse drugs

If cannabis was legalized, then you wouldnt need to get it from dealers and wouldnt be offered the other drugs at some point so likely you wouldnt lead onto other drugs this way.

Plus i love cannabis, and i'd prefer it to be legal for the fact i could buy it legally and wouldnt get arrested for having it :p

Another gray area of the law (atleast in UK), its legal to smoke it in your own home, but illegal to have it with you in public places.

That is a bit contradictory since the only way to get it to your home to be smoked/cooked with whatever would be to buy it from a dealer and carry it with you home (I doubt the dealer is going to do home deliveries :p). So probable that you are going to be in possession of it in a public place and then you get arrested if caught.

Story about my brother, he had been at work all morning, went off for his 1 1/2 hour break before going back to work until the end of the day, he was turning into the carpark about 4 buildings down from restaurant, police stop him because his tail light was out. They smell cannabis on him and check him and he had a small ammount in his shirt pocket and the car no doubt smelt of it. Even though he hadnt been smoking it that day, they still arrested him even though he was basicly at work now and my mam had said he had been at work all morning (parent's restaurant) and was at police station in cell for 2 hours. On another occasion for same offence he was in cell for 6 hours before being released.

[No-one-inparticular]

So, just to be clear, you support medicaland recreational use of reefer? : Is reefer addictive?

[lapis]

At 3/29/06 11:56 AM, suicide_dude wrote: i mean, it only screws you up if you OD

People don't OD on cannabis. The only cases where people died due to using cannadis they choked on their own vomit. The cannabis itself doesn't kill you and alcohol has a lot higher risk of ODing than cannabis for that matter.

[Me-Patch]

At 3/29/06 11:56 AM, suicide_dude wrote: Who is with me when i say that cannabis should be made legal?

I'm with you.

[DingoTheDog]

If someone called suicide_guy thinks it should be legalised.

Then it should probably stay banned

[TheShrike]

At 3/29/06 12:07 PM, SteelSwilla wrote: So, just to be clear, you support medicaland recreational use of reefer? : Is reefer addictive?

Psychologically, yes. Physically, no.

For a comparison:
Heroin: physical addiction
Cocaine: physical addiction
Crystal Meth: physical addiction

Chocolate: psychological addiction
Marijuana: psychological addiction

[ReiperX]

I've never touched the stuff, I have no interest in smoking it, yet from the research I've done on it and its effects it isn't worse than drinking alcohol.
I think it should be legalized, taxed, and treated as a DUI if you are caught driving under the influence of it.

[Van-McCoy]

ha, what an interesting name for the topic author.

[HighlyIllogical]

I won't EVER touch it...but if smoking while drinking is legal, then pot should be legal too, for recreational, but most importantly, for medicinal use. Have the government grow and/or inspect it AND TAX IT. Then it's probably ok. Problem is, illegally sold marijuana is often laced.

Read this: Schaffer Commission Report (Commissioned by Nixon in '74 to research marijuana)

[MortifiedPenguins]

Sure why not.

We'll make it a controlled substance so only Phillip Morris and other Tobacco industries can grow it. We then tax the hell out of it.

[JoS]

I love your logic. It doesnt mess up the average user so it should be legal. You fail to take into account the long-term effects of usage, and even the short-term problems, especially when it comes to things like, I dunno, driving.

[budda1234]

At 3/29/06 04:49 PM, JoS wrote: I love your logic. It doesnt mess up the average user so it should be legal. You fail to take into account the long-term effects of usage, and even the short-term problems, especially when it comes to things like, I dunno, driving.

and yet alchohal... no forget alchohal, cough syrup, sleep aids and lets say chocolate (why not its already been referenced to and it has caffene in it... a drug) all of those are legal, right on the bottle it says don't operate machinery... wait until you know how it affects you... blah blah blah...
i say legalize it, its safer than alchohal and aú naturál.
so what are some long term affects? it shows up in fast growing cells such as hair and nails? it affects memory? all can be taken care of if you stop...

[RedSkunk]

Yes it should be legalized, or at least decriminalized. Common sense.

[Papa-Smuff]

Is that stuff addictive?

[HighlyIllogical]

Psychologically, yes. But not physically.

[Kings-Cant-Fall]

Anything that increase your dopamine levels (which is anything you enjoy) can be psychologically addictive. Like every arguement their are pro's and con's as to why it should/should not be legalized. Also, the arguements as to why recreational use of cannabis and legalization to grow the plant have totally different foci points.

Pro's (for recreational use):
- We could tax the shit out of it.
- Much safer to buy in stores than off the streets.
- Lower the use of alcohol.
- Lower the use of harder drugs (subjective).

Con's:
- It's not healthy.
- It can cause problems if your family has a history of pychological problems
- We don't need a bunch of stoners running around.

[HighlyIllogical]

Taxing the shit out of it > all con arguments except for health, but if we want health, then cigarettes and alcohol should be illegal, but they're too ingrained (sp.) in our culture.

[killa-teddy]

At 3/29/06 08:42 PM, GSgt_Liberal wrote: but if we want health, then cigarettes and alcohol should be illegal, but they're too ingrained (sp.) in our culture.

I believe drinking in moderation is actually healthy, like maybe a beer a day. I don't think a joint a day would be better then beer. And everyone are already bashing smoking cigerettes enough as it is.

[Gwarfan]

I think Reefer should be treated like Alcohal, you cannot drive or operate heavy machinery if under the influence.

[No-one-inparticular]

At 3/29/06 03:48 PM, TheShrike wrote:

At 3/29/06 12:07 PM, SteelSwilla wrote: So, just to be clear, you support medicaland recreational use of reefer? : Is reefer addictive?

Psychologically, yes. Physically, no.

For a comparison:
Heroin: physical addiction
Cocaine: physical addiction
Crystal Meth: physical addiction

Chocolate: psychological addiction
Marijuana: psychological addiction

Tobacco is a hell of a lot more addictive than marihuana, it screws with someone's moods better than marihuana (probably) smoking it causes the same respiratory problems as marihuana, yet tobacco is legal (albeit hyper-regulated). Why should there be a double standard?

[BigBlueBalls]

At 3/29/06 11:56 AM, suicide_dude wrote: i mean, it only screws you up if you OD or are completely hooked on it.

I never heard of anyone ever ODing on it, except urban legends of people who ate like 5 pounds of marijuana or something silly like that.

As for being hooked on it, most people who do it everyday can stop relatively easily compared to say quitting tobacco or quitting heroin. I know my brother quit cold turkey because of his new job does piss tests. He said quitting wasn't a big deal, but he certainly misses being able to do it. That's hardly an addiction anymore than someone who likes eating chocolate has to go on a diet.

Another reason for not doing it everyday is because the effects are much better and intense if you wait a long while, like at least a week or more.

Anyway, yes I certainly think marijuana should be legal because I see it as a MUCH lesser of an evil than two already legal drugs called nicotine and alcohol. Nicotine will get you addicted and alcohol, well I'll avoid hard liquor altogether because I know now that I'll end up doing something I regret. Well I drink tequila occasionally, but it's not something I binge on. Marijuana I've neither got addicted, nor have I done anything I regretted while high.

[Demosthenez]

At 3/29/06 04:35 PM, GSgt_Liberal wrote: Problem is, illegally sold marijuana is often laced.

Thats BS. I know a kid who picks up a pound of pot about every 5 days ($4500 dollars worth for refrence, real good stuff) and have met a couple of the wholesalers. They dont lace it. Never seen laced pot ever. And most pot heads would be able to tell right away if it was.

[Billybob1]

To be realtivly simple minded, No to Legalization, I would rather see countrys spend hundereds of Millions (or Billions) of Dollars to fight against Drugs then to Decrimalize or Legalize it, in fact why don't we ban all the stuff which is said to be worse (Beer, Tabaco.Etc) to insure that those who smoke the stuff woun't be able to claim that the governments of our Respective Countrys are claiming favortism to those who use those objects of Addiction, that and then people will be able to life rich fulling lifes, that is my Opinion on the topic

(Notice): I'm not some kind of Precher or momma's boy or anything of that sort I am mery expressing my Opinion on this Topic

[TurnipClock]

You can't OD on pot, its physically impossible unless the smoker weighs like 10kg and smokes non-stop for hours.

[AapoJoki]

I don't think there are enough unbiased studies about its long term effects and such for it to be made legal. We can all agree that tobacco and alcohol are dangerous substances, but at least we have plenty of data of what exactly they do. With cannabis legal, we could run into some unpleasant surprises if its consumption increases.

According to a recent study (don't ask for a source, I saw it on TV), cannabis products contain much more tar and carbon-monoxyde than tobacco. However, I suppose cannabis smokers are more likely to consume just one or two joints a day, where as a tobacco smoker can easily smoke an entire pack of cigarettes a day.

But I really don't know if cannabis is more or less dangerous than tobacco and alcohol. I think they are all poisonous and don't belong to a human body. I personally don't consume anything harder than caffeine :)

[RedSkunk]

At 3/30/06 07:33 AM, Aapo_Joki wrote: According to a recent study (don't ask for a source, I saw it on TV), cannabis products contain much more tar and carbon-monoxyde than tobacco. However, I suppose cannabis smokers are more likely to consume just one or two joints a day, where as a tobacco smoker can easily smoke an entire pack of cigarettes a day.

And the tar and carbon monoxide are not the worst things in your typical cigarette.

I don't agree with this line of thinking. The effects of marijuana have been studied over and over again, both short term and long. We know what it does. We've been using it and growing it for thousands of years.

[hungapoe]

At 3/29/06 11:56 AM, suicide_dude wrote: Who is with me when i say that cannabis should be made legal? i mean, it only screws you up if you OD or are completely hooked on it. most smokers or would be smokers dont have it 20 times a day, so the law is sorta wrong. Yeah sum people would take advantage of it, but it would only be a minority...

No, no and NO!!!

Alhough I have an embarrasingly low amount of posts since I joined like years ago, I have a TON of these stupid legalize cannabis posts. Its already legal in SOME forms for SOME special medical conditions.

[RedSkunk]

At 3/30/06 10:37 AM, hungapoe wrote: Its already legal in SOME forms for SOME special medical conditions.

Not really. While medical marijuana is "legalized" in some states – ie. Vermont, California – it's still illegal on the federal level. Meaning that the doctors prescribing it, the people growing it, and the patients using it, can still be busted under federal statutes. And they often are. It's a laughable situation.

[Demosthenez]

At 3/30/06 03:51 AM, TurnipClock wrote: You can't OD on pot, its physically impossible unless the smoker weighs like 10kg and smokes non-stop for hours.

Ive basically even tried that. Smoked like 6g of resin over a couple of hours out of a grav.

Jesus Christ, I was so fucked up. Good to do once, wont ever do again.

At 3/30/06 10:58 AM, red_skunk wrote: Not really. While medical marijuana is "legalized" in some states – ie. Vermont, California – it's still illegal on the federal level.

Dont forget Denver.